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Quote from: sebosfato on September 15, 2010, 17:58:26 pm

Guys i discovered meyer secret.
Its all about charging the inductor with one frequency and discharge with other.


Example


1 joule = 1 watt / second


If you charge the inductor with one watt in one second and than discharge this inductor in 1 nano second you are creating a 1 Giga joule discharge.


The secret is the collapse of the field as i explained in the last post.


again
The pulse that charge the transformer is at one frequency but have a 99,99% duty cycle... thus the discharge occurs in 0,01% of the period thus it is about 10000 times smaller...


than voltage perform work


I will end here and let you take your conclusions.

Hi Sebosfato,

This is what I also think is part of the answer to how Meyer's WFC works, good to see that I'm not alone
in this.
I believe the voltage would rise to hilarious levels during the collapse of the EMF, to the point of it being
able to create a spark in a spark plug.
Keep up the good work

Please also read the postings about the PFN (PULSE FORMING NETWORK modulators) idea!

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=170&pid=3846#pid3846
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=170&pid=3891#pid3891
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=646&pid=6731#pid6731

With this we can generate UNIPOLAR PULSES with (AC or DC CHARGING) CHOKES as a critically damped oscillator.
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=1102

Br,
Webmug

thats what the steam resonantors job was.. to instantly heat water... it would keep the water from freezing in the fuel tank

Thanks, outlawstc
The 'Voltage Flexing Process' and the 'VIC Switchover Circuit' 

br,
webmug

Can someone explain, how Stan was keeping the water in the water fuel tank in liquid form, below zero degrees Celsius?
It's kind of a problem to get water into a cell/injector when it is in ice form?

I assume, he has put some of a electrical heating device in the WFC/water tank?

br,
webmug

new theory:

The Condensator must collapse, i.e. the Electrodes will shortcut by producing a spark!
This means that the distance between the electrodes, so the gap between the 2 tubes that form the condensator determines what Voltage must be in the resonant circuit!
The Resonant Circuit is a High Voltage circuit. Try operating the Resonant Circuit at around 5000 Voltage (Could be lower in? water, experiment!).
The collapse will cause the resonancy!

Do you mean just like a disruptor spark in a Tesla DC charge circuit on the primary coil?
But now controlling /adjusting the GATE signal ,just before HV spark would occur between di-pole in the dielectric(water)?

br
Webmug

This is good work, Steve 

Cheers!!!

Br,
Webmug

Stan Meyer talked often that his system worked, because of his effort in bringing the atoms of his HHO gas into an unstable state. As far as i understand it, you need less unstable gas as when you need stable gas in the burning proces, because of the energy state of unstable gas.
 
I just read that exitation into higher energy levels can be achieved by adding heat.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aangeslagen_toestand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state
 
I know that the first link is in dutch, but go have a look on the pictures.
They look like Stans exitation pictures..........
 
When the atom receives enough energy, the electrons will cease to be bound and the atom becomes IONISED.......
 
Ionizing can be achieved by adding photons (light), high voltage and so it seems, also by use of heat.
That last option is new for me.
And made me think.
Which gas produces to highest temp on metal? Yes, HHO gas.
Who showed many times a flame as construction for making non combustable gasses?
Yes, Stan the man.
Who said that the USA where not happy Stan filing his patents AFTER they understood all patents together?
 
Did Stan Meyer just made HHO with electrolysis and then ionised the Hydrogen and oxygen gasses with help of heat?
To keep the gasses into that exited state he added ionised ambient air in the proces?
And to keep those gasses as long as possible into that excited state, didnt he uses a system to pull the released electrons away from the gasses?
 
Steve

Steve,
Wouldn't that be the "Steam resonator" ?
Stan said he used it when water is frozen in the watertank and it is a part of the WFC system combined.

br,
Webmug

Don,
I also will buy a copy.

Br,
Webmug

I see from the picture, that there are 11 tubes encased in the container. Does ant one know the specfic reason for that. Also how would they be wired in that configuration. If each tube has its own voltage intensifier unit. How would the wires coming out of the alternator be attached to the voltage intensifier units. I have built the 9 tube, but these have to be wired right other wise the feild on the outside of the tube drastically effects the production of the other tubes. ( just trying to understand) Thanks for any advice on this subject.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1244.0
Each of the tubes is a resonance WFC system and are not connected to the alternator. That's another different system.

If you want to generate more gas, then you make more tubes. Each tube, 10 in total, are connected separately to a VIC in that large cavity.
Because all the resonance cavities are isolated from each other, they work as separate resonance WFC systems.

br,
Webmug

I'm searching a TIP120 model for Multisim.
For the Resonance/Resonant WFC "cell driver circuit" and "voltage amplitude control".

Br,
Webmug

p197 Puharich: "...Nuclear Magnetic Relaxation cycle of the proton in water. We have found that the characteristic NMR rate, 1/T, in our experiment, is the 3rd subharmonic of 2, i.e. 0,25 secs."

24/3*2^17 = 4.55Hz

2^17 = 131072
(24*60*60) / (3) * 131072  "3rd harmonic"

0.2197 sec !!! ---> 1/0.2197 = 4.5511 Hz

Br,
Webmug

Interesting references with Puharich, Keely... are the harmonics!

24/m*2^n hours, m=1,3,5,7 and 9. What are the values of n ? n=18,17,16,15 ?

Br,
Webmug

That is an interesting patent, kind of rides on the stuff that Puharich mentioned in his unpublished book.  I'm having trouble following the frequency calculations.
 
Anyone care to post up how to derive the calculation?
 
Example from patent: 24/3*2^17 hour = 4.55 hz
 
I tried doing [24/(3.2^17)]/3600, and it's not close.  Not sure what notation the equation is using.
 
Must be some sort of harmonic calculation or something that I am not understanding

24/3*2^17 hour = 4.55hz

2^17 = 131072
3*131072 = 393216
24 hour to sec = 24*60*60 = 86400 sec

86400/393216 = 0.21972 --> 1/0.21972 = 4.55111 Hz

Br,
Webmug

I know a lot of people claim to have got workin WFCs but I have not seen one yet.

For those who are still investigating, I have come across a patent that may shine some light on what may be going on.

http://www.google.com/patents/download/13_123_024_METHODS_AND_APPARATUS_TO_CREA.pdf?id=V6XrAQAAEBAJ&output=pdf&sig=ACfU3U2AVZVLOXfDrvLrToOVthI0cuPkWA&source=gbs_overview_r&cad=0

Thanks for posting this very interesting patent !!!

Br,
Webmug

I'm not asking about the specs of diodes,but the operation of the diodes.I know what my diodes are,and the mur1550 or 1560's won't work at the frequecies I'm running.Any of the diodes I've tried just don't seem to be doing anything.If I take the diode out, it will still produce the exact same signals when in resonance.They just do't block the way Stan says.

My set up is using so little power,that I don't think that there is any current going through the coils that can turn on the diodes to make it block.

Understand what I'm saying?
Don

Hi Don,

If I may ask,
do you use your home build 3" resonance cell isolated in Delrin replica? Or other tubes connected?
Does your VIC core material has about 2000 ui? No? maybe the (B)EMF current induced from the chokes (magnetic fields) is too weak to bounce on the diode and to the cell and restrict amps.

Br,
Webmug

@All

Hey guys 

@Ali

The main point at Stans 3-23 was that he was using relatively small AWG 29 copper wire.
AWG 29 = no more than 0.5-2 amps... My primary AWG 22 heats up a lot from 2 amps so AWG 29 should pass even less...

"Stanley:  ....so voltage can take over and perform in dead short conditions...."  How can voltage can perform in dead short conditions - wich is what we get in water capacitor - almost dead short. Then how can voltage perform in dead short with no amps... should be dissipated immediately in other words overhelmed by the losses if you will.  Mystery to me.

Minde

Hi,

" how can voltage perform in dead short with no amps"

If we charge the plates (electrostatic) then the electrons path in the water molecule would elongate.
If this path is wide enough then the covalent bonding of water molecule snaps and the atoms would regain free floating electrons to be stabilized.
This splitting or pulling apart is possible because the water molecule has low bonding forces.
Voltage can preform work it has split the water molecule with no current. Current is restricted, it can not flow, because the breakdown is prevented we are having high resistance in the chokes on resonance.

If this restricting is not possible, the current can flow and we couldn't elongate the electron path enough. They slip through our capacitor (flowing) to the other side and the process repeats.

Br,
Webmug

I also agree on the idea that the gas was gaining energy by heating..... Not sure if it would be enough for making atomic hydrogen.

Steve

Well wasn't that the idea to insert energy into the gas (destabilizing orbits)? Laser energy, heating etc.
You will need less voltage to to strip electrons from the atoms and make it more unstable, then the gas is much more explosive (unstable)?
More from less?

Br,
Webmug

I re read the dealer manual and on top of the waterfuelcell , Meyer is heating the HHO with HHO gas.
Why is he doing that?

Look at this:
http://www.physics.montana.edu/demonstrations/video/4_thermodynamics/demos/gasviscositychangewithtemperature.html

Steve

Just a thought.

If Stan went up in the process to create "atomic hydrogen" how can he do it; didn't he use the gasgun? Another VIC unit and heat? Do you need higher electrostatic fields or did he heat up the HHO and use lower energy input for this process?

John Keely's Laws of Harmony (1898)-> 40 powerful laws:
John Ernst Worrell Keely direct relation to Stanley Allen Meyer and Dr. Andrija Puharich etc.

Law of Chemical Dissociation
"If the pitch of either atom, in a molecule, be raised or lowered; or, if they both be unequally raised or lowered in pitch until the mutual ratio be that of a discord; or, if the oscillation amplitude be augmented by heat until the atoms are with the concentric waves of attraction, - the atoms will separate."

Law of Variation of Atomic Pitch by Electricity and Magnetism
"Electricity and Magnetism produce internal vibrations in the atom, which are followed by proportional changes in volume and, therefore, pitch."

Br,
Webmug

HMS - A named Peter Davey may hold the key to Stan's steam resonator tech and he is still alive, but he's in in 90's so we need to get to him before he dies!

(http://i41.tinypic.com/w7ge2t.png)

Interesting water-gap!
Stan Meyer 0.0950 inch = 2.4 millimeters
Peter Davey 0.0826 inch = 2.1 millimeters

Looks like Peter used "Three" frequencies: 350, 49, 1000Hz
So there must be a "key note" for the water molecule and use this fundamental frequency and put harmonic on it or enharmonic ?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg22201.html#msg22201

Note:
If you have a fundamental frequency (sinewave) and then put a harmonic (sinewave) on the fundamental we get a new shape.

"There are several important aspects to this new shape.
First, its shape is not a simple sine wave, so it will sound richer than just a pure tone.
Second, even though the shape is different, the period and frequency are the same as the fundamental above.
This is very important, because it means that the pitch stays the same.
So, now we can see the connection between shape, harmonics and tone quality.
If add harmonics to the fundamental, we change the shape of the wave, but not its pitch, so this gives us a way of independently controlling the tone quality without affecting the pitch. It does not matter if we add a wave at 3f, 7f, or 32f. The shape will change but the pitch will not."

Br,
Webmug

HMS, in one of Stan's patents he writes about the Sec., L1 & L2, each being wrapped with a ratio of 10:1 compared to the primary. This would make the summation of the coils a 30:1 step-up. I mentioned this back last year, but I guess nobody paid me any attention. Stan says that with 12v input to the primary, you will get 360v at the output of the chokes.

Now, the thing that we all need to understand about the cell is this, the cell will act almost as a dead short with having a resistance around 200 - 250 ohms. What Stan was doing or attempting to do is make the cell act as a true capacitor. It will act as a really bad leaky capacitor, but once you, as Stan says, tune into the dielectric value of water, only then it will act as a real true capacitor! Like I stated earlier in this thread, the water has a dielectric of 78%, which is non-conductive. So at a certain frequency you will nullify the 22% conductivity and tune into the 78% non-conductive part of water and the voltage will rise dramatically with no current leakage!

Hi,

Maybe stupid question, but is it possible that I step-charged the connected scope probes 
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2488.msg23226.html#msg23226

When I tune the PULSE and the GATE frequency I see the step-charge scope shot image.
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11380)
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11408)
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11380)(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2488.0;attach=11408)

Interesting the 22% conductivity and tune into the 78% non-conductive part of water !!!

When I connect one plate to the positive choke the UNIPOLAR offset is higher, from -84V to -28V for the positive choke!!!!

Problem is when my WFC is attached to both chokes I have only AC! I needed to tune the PULSE frequency to get this amplitude higher. The WFC has 200 - 250 ohms (RAIN WATER). 180 degrees is now lost due the really bad leaky capacitor as a dead short!!!

Ideas?

Regards

The VIC should work how SM explained it!

It's a complete resonance wfc system, it consist of different (matched) parts working together.

I think the main reason (for the resonance wfc system) is that none has re-discovered the right VIC transformer core material to really have and seen the amp-restriction due to the chokes (core aiding flux) and also connected an isolated (delrin cavity) wfc to one VIC transformer to see this.
If amp-restriction is not occurring, you can not separate (in four stages) the water molecule efficient with voltage. What SM called "the Water Polarization Process".

Only isolated wfc should work because we don't want voltage fluctuation (leakage) between the exciters (what SM explains). It should be stable enough to maintain resonance (restrict amps). Remember: Voltage Preforms Work (not my words)

The VIC is matched to a wfc cavity (capacitance) and for a known type of water used in it. (resonance frequency for resonant choke to choke/restrict amps)

And big wfc tubes should be banned!!! Smaller is better! Lower capacitance, smaller coils, higher voltage and higher frequency etc.
I recommend everyone to use the specs SM has given in his patents and/or use the specs from Dynodon for the wfc cavity and the VIC transformer.

But hey, if someone want to use amps, go ahead. (current destroys)

Br,
Webmug