timeshell

Timeshell do you have the video?

Still looking for it.

Timeshell I still dont understand that part of two cores where primary is in different core than secondary... The choke coupled to the primary will be basically a secondary and the supposed secondary the real choke...
Damn, this is confusing...

Yah, I hear you there...thing is, it works.  So, I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it.

That's not to say it wouldn't work another way however.  The important thing is that the coils are properly designed for the corresponding reactances with the WFC for the desired frequency range.

what you mean remove power? for how long it generated? vigorously?

how much power? what cell size? material?

i would love to see it ...where is the video?

I don't remember how long, but it was long enough to be a significant result.  It wasn't a mind blowing amount of gas, but it was very obvious that it was still being generated even though the electricity was turned off.  At that time, I was using a single cell, the inner pipe being 2" long, the outer pipe being 1" long.  314L with 304, don't remember which was which, but I think the inner tube was the 304.

At the time, I was theorizing the need for a continuous low voltage to be kept on the cell to keep the water molecules aligned.  I tried this a few ways and I don't remember the specific way I had done it.  But obviously it had a result.  I wrote about it before here at IonizationX.  At that time I called it priming the cell.  The idea was it needed an initial low, continuous charge to align the water just like an older water pump may need to be primed to work for the first time.  As Ronnie stated in the link I posted above, this is necessary in order to charge the cell.

He said:

You never want the voltage to fall below this voltage because it sets up the polarization process and low gas production and it can never be lost. As you can see this is a constant pulse voltage with no gating at all.

I'm trying to find the video.  I watched it a few months ago, but right now I don't remember where it is.  I will post it as soon as I find it.

This is where you need to have an understanding of resonant circuits, in particular LC circuits.  When an LC circuit is at its resonant frequency it will perform an action based on the configuration of the L (inductor) and C (capacitor).  It could either block that frequency, or only allow that frequency.  In the case of the VIC, all current is blocked at resonance by the chokes if the chokes are perfectly tuned to do so.  But they are not supposed to be perfectly tuned to block all current.  They need to be tuned to allow just enough current so that enough electrolysis can happen to empty the gap between the WFC plates/tubes of water.

This requires a very specific design of the coils so that the coils inductance is matched to the variable range of capacitance (based on dielectric value between air and water) of the WFC for the frequency range of the pulsing to be used.  And of course, the coils fields need to be opposing each other properly so that they resist each others current flow rather than assist it.  If necessary, resistors can also be added to correct any errors in the frequency just as in any other resonant circuit.  But of course, this can lead to losses of power as heat and should only be used only if necessary.

Coils don't need to be bifilar, but do need to be coupled correctly.

It is very useful to create a spreadsheet with the power equations to visualize how all this works.

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Stan Meyer used this expression a number of times.


K eep
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S imple
S tupid

Not intending to be offensive here, but it's important not to try to over complicate this.  It's not that complicated beyond understanding the electronic fundamentals.

I keep updating my posts to try to be more accurate.  Keep checking my previous posts from page 19 forward.

KISS

This works as Stan describes.

Just normal water.  Plates/submerged.  No heat.  Not steam.  Water stays cold. Nothing special there.

The plate gap is important to be small.  With a tiny gap, it helps to capture the gas as it gets stuck between the plates or tubes making it easier to clear the water between them.  This in turn decreases the capacitance of the WFC requiring adjustment of the voltage and pulsing frequency.  Keep doing this until all water exits the tubes and voltage is at its peak.

Quote from: timeshell on December 04, 2018, 13:14:58 pm

Quote from: Steve on December 04, 2018, 10:19:20 am

its almost Christmas...
Unles you are moslims, then you should know what the christmas thoughts are?

Hohoho 

Here's a Christmas thought for you.  Jesus told Pontus Pilate his purpose was to bear witness to the truth.  So why does the world dishonor him by propogating lies about a fat man flying on a sleigh delivering gifts supposedly made by elves living at the North Pole to the children of the world?

I'm a Christan btw, but from a Christian religion that does not celebrate Christmas as there is no scriptural foundation or support for doing so.  It's not even the actual birth date of Jesus.  There is no truth in it.

You got me there.
But even if you dont believe in the fatman or if Jesus was born on those dates, you can agree that the, sadly temporary,  thoughts  of doing good and being nice , is a good one.
We all should apply to that the whole year, from my point of view

I'm pretty sure that's the way Jesus lived.  And look at all the miracles he performed throughout his 3 1/2 year ministry, including on the Sabbath which the religious leaders fought against.  He didn't perform good deeds only on holy days.  Hence to be followers of Jesus Christ, we need to live like him every day.  John 17:3

X-Blade, you are actually correct in one thing.  The final capacitance and resulting reaction we are looking for only happens once all the water is removed from the cell.  This is what the current leakage is used for.

From my experiments water behaves like a capacitor below 2V otherwise it acts like a resistor.
Set you PSU to 0.5V connect an ammeter with 1 to 100ma, rise the voltage 0.5V each time and wait, Needle will rise and drop again, but until you reach aprox 2V.

That's because electrolysis of water starts at around 1.47V.  That's also why when you manage to get a charge on a polarized WFC that it will produce gas when no power is applied to it as long as the charge on the WFC is above 1.5V. 

When I find the video I will show you.  I watched it fairly recently, but don't know where it is right now.

its almost Christmas...
Unles you are moslims, then you should know what the christmas thoughts are?

Hohoho 

Here's a Christmas thought for you.  Jesus told Pontus Pilate his purpose was to bear witness to the truth.  So why does the world dishonor him by propogating lies about a fat man flying on a sleigh delivering gifts supposedly made by elves living at the North Pole to the children of the world?

I'm a Christan btw, but from a Christian religion that does not celebrate Christmas as there is no scriptural foundation or support for doing so.  It's not even the actual birth date of Jesus.  There is no truth in it. 

Show me ONE video of a water capacitor without any insulation sustaining voltage after switch off of voltage without inductors.
Only the newbies to this research will believe in that theory of the capacitor.
The only comparison possible to a capacitor is the work that is related to the plate area  and the distance between the two plates.
If you thing that you are another "walkie-talkie" show us a single video of it.

Heh, that I can actually do.  I have a video from 8 years ago where my cell produces small amounts of gas WITH NO POWER ON IT.    This is what happens when you know how to polarize the water.

Quote from: timeshell on December 03, 2018, 01:37:55 am

I'm really surprised you guys haven't figured this out yet.

The VIC is a program, a set of circuit instructions.

1.  Polarize the water
2.  At low voltage start regular electrolysis which in turn...
3.  Creates HHO gas.  The HHO gradually replaces the place of the water between the plates in the water capacitor which gradually increases the capacitance of the WFC.
4.  Keep increasing the voltage gradually while adjusting resonance
5. Eventually the gas replaces all the water between the plates allowing the charge to sky rocket and use voltage to produce HHO.

Look up Ronnie Walker's forum for details.

i remember his ideas about starting with electrolysis.. but wouldn't  be the same as if there was just a small amount of water between the electrodes?

what forum of his you talk about? 

i think there lot of sense in starting with electrolysis ... if you read my last posts i´m starting to wonder if the hydrogen can be used to reduce the potential required for it...

Don't over complicate it Fabio.  Remember Stan himself said KISS.

Timeshell how could you get rid of all water between the tubes? it is impossible, even with amp leakage.
There is no such thing as "water capacitor" and there is no LC resonance between inductor and the supposed "capacitor".

And that, sir, is exactly why you will never get this to work.

Look up Leyden Jar and other information about how capacitors work.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I've told you some of the most important parts of this project you need to know.

The fact also is, whether you do it yourself or I spoonfeed you, it won't change how much time or money you spend if you follow the directions.

https://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,4432.msg36479.html#msg36479

The 7hz  frequency area can be calculated.

Quote from: timeshell on December 15, 2024, 21:08:53 pm

Try a gate pulse of 7hz, 75% duty cycle.

There is a very good reason for this.

Schumann frequency?

No, that's just a coincidence.

Try a gate pulse of 7hz, 75% duty cycle.

There is a very good reason for this.

I hope you guys figure it out.  This will likely be my last post here.

Fabio, you're way overcomplicating it.

Ciao

The VIC has ALOT going on in it.