timeshell

Timeshell BECAUSE THE DIODE coils simply store energy in form of magnetic field not allowing the current to flow intantaneous, and when pulse terminates, it colapses producing an unipolar pulse in the same direction.
Other thing than that, in my opinion, is pure fantasy of people who thing they know everything without real bench testing.
The only oscillation I experienced in this condition was the Self-resonance of both inductors due to the parasitic capacitance.

X-Blade
The circuit is not continually producing DC current.  It is being pulsed by the primary which in effect is AC.  The diode is rectifying the AC on the AC frequency.  But on the off pulse, the coil behind the diode WILL resonate with the capacitor.  You can prove this in a circuit simulator.

Timeshell I am not so certain about that.

As I already said, I cant see the WFC acting as a capacitor or being reactive like a capacitor.
It looks to me like a load and nothing more.
Since it have the diode In-line it cant act another way than the DC resonant charging circuit.

X-Blade, what you are saying doesn't make sense to me.  Resonance is a result of a frequency.  Yes, the diode makes the circuit unidirectional, so in effect DC.  BUT, because there is a coil between the WFC capacitor and the diode, it will resonate between those two components.  That resonance in this section of the circuit is in effect is obviously the same as AC at resonance and we all know AC is current alternating at a frequency.

The actual circuit is a series circuit. Basically the choke and the other coil are in series with the cell which is a capacitance. So if you get the values right and a frequency, you should end up with a resonant circuit. The tapped inductor is to fine tune the circuit, you only have half wave rectification pulses, started by triggering the SCR. There is a better way to do this.
However what the object here was to get the circuit in resonance, this then make the current drawn only by the value of the total resistance in the two coils at a resonant frequency
Can you let me know now the value of the choke that you are using, that is the DC resistance, the impedance if you can measure it can be measured, and I would need to know the inductance of the choke.   The cell will have a capacitance as well, with no power on it see if you can get the capacitance it needs to be filled as if you were going to turn it on.

What you can get if this are done in a particular way, it seems that you have 24ohms in the circuit or impedance.
If you did put the choke in parallel with the cell this would make a resonant circuit of the cell and the choke,  so with power applied then of a pulsed half wave would then create a closed circuit around the cell and the choke, and at a resonant frequency there would be high circulating current through the choke and the cell, so for a low input of power you will get a bigger output due to the circulating currents.
The choke and the cells capacitance must be found out, the chokes DC resistance needs to be as low as you possibly can get it this would have large gauge wire, example make sure that the wire that is connected across the cell and the choke are heavy, example, 12v / 0.1ohm is 120amps  at the resonant frequency.
hope this helps Brian

There is NOTHING about this system that should be "found out".  The entire system needs to be designed exactly the same way as you would design any electronic circuit to do a specific thing(s).  This means you need to calculate voltage, current, inductances, reactances, impedances, resistances, capacitance, frequencies.  Even the wire resistance matters.  And most importantly, you need to know WHAT you are designing and HOW it is supposed to work.  Otherwise you are just shooting in the dark.  ALL these things need to be designed very specifically to get the result we're looking for.

How it's supposed to work can be found starting on this page:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,3221.144.html

Here is a sample of my WFC calculations.   Notice the capacitance differences between the inner and outer tubes when the equations are adjusted for each tube's capacity.

Timeshell, yes you are right. But in pratice you cannot convert all the water to gas to tune to the LC frequency,  water is allways entering to the cavity.
The cell with water behaves like a real capacitor below 2 Volts, up from that the electrolysis starts and the water starts to behave as a non linear load, the more you rise the voltage without restricting amps, the less the resistance and more conductivity.

Excellent.  I agree almost 100%.  Now, use that information to get to the next step.

It acts like a real capacitor when there is no water in it.  We've already established that.

I've also shown a WFC that held a charge after power was disconnected.

Look close to the VIC Matrix circuit description on the tech. brief:

(https://i.postimg.cc/G3GY1qVB/cap-react.gif)

Is this a real capacitor reactance or is just a resistive value?

Real capacitive reactance.  It's why I stated to do research on it.

Remember there are two steps to making this work.

The first involves the water resistance.

The second involves capacitive reactance.

I am going to emphasize most of my understanding is from my own experiments.  There are only a few pieces of information that Ronnie introduced that helped me bring all my own work together.  I'm not just repeating Ronnie's ideas as you've seen some of my work that I did long before I met Ronnie, which was only 5 years ago.  Most of my experimenting was well before that.  But I will also give credit where credit is due.

I'm not here to argue.  So, I'll gracefully step aside for now.

Ok.  Keep doing it your way. Let me know when you get it working.

Yes and no.  Because of the diode, the current will primarily go in one direction.  However, because the WFC is between two coils, it will still resonate between them.  This is why the chokes must be precisely tuned.  You will not get the high voltage climb on a pure DC circuit without the AC resonance.

Unless the surface diameter of the inside of the outer tube is EXACTLY the same as the surface diameter of the outside of the inner tube, this really shouldn't be the case.

This is the kind of capacitance meter I am using:
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=200215818&initiative_id=AS_20181212103957&SearchText=lc100-a

That could eventually be added to it, but isn't necessary to get it going.

Timeshell the LC circuit is supposed to be between one choke and the "capacitor" or the sum of the coils (mutual inductance) and the "capacitor"?

Good question.

Treat each side of the WFC like it's its own capacitor.

So, if you measure your WFC (or calculate; measuring it should give you a similar result) one way, let's say it gives you 25pF.   When you reverse the meter leads, it should give you a different result, such as 30pF.  So, as an example, to have a frequency of 5kHz on both sides, the side that measures 25pF would need a coil of 40.528H and the side of 30pF would need a coil of 33.774H.

This doesn't include the secondary which you will also need.

BUT, there is more to it than that.  You need to select a wire gauge that will give you a suitable resistance for the length of wire you use to create the coil for impedance matching to maximize power transfer to the WFC.  And do some research into the reactance of capacitors and coils.

You really should measure each tube pair of your water cell and make sure that they are very close to equal values as you can reasonably get them.  Then add up their capacitances using the equation for capacitors in series which should be the total value of your WFC.

I'm hoping everyone working on this has done this, but if not, here is something you should all do.  Make a spreadsheet to define the following information.

1.  Your WFC capacitance with air.  Measure this BOTH ways as it will not be the same.
2.  Multiply  your results in step 1 by 78 to get the water capacitance value
3.  You will need the AWG spec.
4.  Based on values of steps 1 and 2, create equations to give you information to create coils that will provide resonant frequencies within the range of 100 Hz to 10 kHz for BOTH air and water capacitances for BOTH sides of the WFC.  This will mean that your chokes will have different sizes based on each side of the WFC.  While there is still water in the gap, the mismatched chokes sizes will allow current flow through the water to produce gas to replace the water.  When the water in the gap is replaced by gas, this will then allow resonance to occur with the same frequency on both sides of the WFC.
5.  Impedance matching for efficient power transfer.

Using this information, you should be able to calculate appropriate coil information that will be suitable with a low frequency when there is water in the WFC and when the water is replaced by gas in the WFC at a high frequency.

It looks like its just discharging obviously because thers no voltage applied.
The geometry being tubes instead of flat plates also obviously formed a decent capacitor.
I dont know why nobody ever shows a cell being pulsed with 26 volts charging up to 1000 volts or more....thats the example Stan gave ?
The water polarizes as soon as a voltage is present...polarization simply means the hydrogen is attracted to the negative and the oxygen to the possitive....when voltage is present they become polarized...simple.

Ronnie claims to have done the same thing feeding 3 to 4 volts into his primary.  I believe it.  I have pulsed my primary with 8 to 9 volts and have had 2kV pulses going into the cell through my VIC 3 years ago.  I disconnected the lead going to the cell and manually touched it to the cell connectors and had some pretty cool sparks happening.  This was around the time that I paused my activity due to health issues.  I wasn't making any significant new videos at that time other than some wave forms on my scope.

No, the oxide layer built up on its own using the self resonant circuit.  It did produce more gas when the electricity was plugged in btw.

Pics of the work I've done over the past few days.  I need new coils and am waiting on some carbon fiber filament to arrive to print new bobbins.

The outer one is 316L with an oxide layer.  The inner one is 304.

I never said that.  I haven't been well for the last few years and am not actively pursuing this right now.  My video response was specific to your statement to show a charged cell.  My final understandings are as a result of years of past experiments confirmed and brought together in the end by Ronnie's work.  All my experiments lead me to conclude that his work is valid.  I have not been well enough to finish it although this conversation has been getting me tinkering again.  Maybe I'll get it running sometime, but I can't say when that will be.

If anyone is interested, this is the platform for my current WFC.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2967526

Found it.  Keep in mind, I recorded this 10 years ago.  I don't mention it in the video, but I was likely using a dual charging method where I had a lower voltage superimposed by a higher voltage pulse; what I considered to be at the time "priming the cell".  Obviously my understanding was still limited at the time.  In the video, I say that it has been a couple minutes since I disconnected the power, but, as I mentioned before, I checked on the cell hours later and it was still producing gas.  I don't have a video showing this hours later however.  The reading on the voltmeter is interesting and I can't explain what's going on there as I'd expect a higher reading on the voltmeter with the amount of gas being produced in pure water.

Sorry it took so long.  It wasn't on any of my usual computers and I had to resort to recovering it from a dead drive using advanced recovery methods.

Anyway,  here it is: