Steve

HHO = 2.5 times stronger then petrol.
But, we forget that we also need volume.
Petrol is mixed with air.
HHO doesnt need to mixed, because it is already an ideal mix.
So, how to make more volume of the same HHO, so we can fill the cylinder proper?

Anybody any suggestions?

Steve

Found this:



"Someone sent me a hard copy of this and I transcribed it. May make for some
fun experiments connected with cavitation, steam, and O-U.

Gene Mallove
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From: Pat_Pelletier@mindlink.bc.ca (Pat Pelletier)
Newsgroups: sci.engr
Subject: PUBLIC DISCLOSURE - NEW INVENTION
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 10:54:05 - 0700
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


I am posting the following for a friend who does NOT have access to Internet.
Comments welcomed.

NOTICE

The prupose of this notice is to place into public domain something which I
invented so that it may be patented and in order to prevent it's use from
being restricted in any way.

The device is an engine in which small quantitites of water are turned into
steam by the use of a magnetron (as found in microwave ovens).

Interested parties may wish to try this test: Place a few drops of water into
a clear plastic 35mm film roll holder and put the cap on the film roll holder.
Place in a microwave oven and turn the oven on. The 'pop' is the result of
the water turning suddenly into steam.

The engine I have invented is far more efficient than any other steam engine
because the efficiency of the magnetron in turning water into steam. In fact,
the water droplet 'explodes' very much like air/gasoline explodes in a
conventional internal combustion engine.

This engine was first tested in 1992. I am however unable to invest the
required capital to produce a more sophisticated model and therefore unable to
patent it. Even though I may not be able to profit from this technology, it
is too good to be kept to myself and I would like to spread it around so that
others may be able to use it.

The following is an outline of how to construct the device and a few cautions:

PARTS NEEDED:

1. Magnetron from medium power microwave oven.

2. Small 4-stroke single cylinder lawn mover engine or similar engine with
'old style' points and ignition system.

3. Automotive alternator with built-in rectifier and regulator, also a 12
volt auto battery.

4. "Trigger" mechanism from an aircraft "strobe" landing light.

INSTRUCTIONS:

1. The magnetron fits into the spark plug hole.

2. The distributor points are modified so that the contact is closed when the
piston is at the top dead center and this contact is used to activate the
aircraft strobe mechanism.

3. The high voltage from the strobe is connected to directly fire the
magnetron which in turn produces steam which moves the piston.

4. The engine turns the alternator which keeps the battery charged, which
supplies the electrical power for the magnetron.

CAUTION AND TIPS:

WARNING!!! DANGER!!!!

1. Be careful around the magnetron. KEEP IT SHIELDED WITH METAL. IT CAN CAUSE
SEVERE BURNS THAT MAY NOT BE READILY VISIBLE WHEN THEY FIRST OCCUR.

2. The 'strobe' trigger delivers a very high voltage which can jump to ground.
WEAR RUBBER SOLED SHOES AND INSULATE WELL.

3. Be sure to modify the distributor points so they close at the top dead
center. Timing advance depends on the power of the magnetron used and the
amount of water. Try different carb jet sizes -- drill out if needed.

4. Due to variables, don't expect high engine speeds without a little
experimentation due to variables.

5. Start with a fully charged battery or your alternator won't work.

6. The energy produced is in excess of the power required to run the
alternator but until you get the RPM up, and the parts wrking in harmony, it
may be best to use a battery charger instead of an alternator.

7. An easy way to measure net power output after you have the alternator on
line is to run a few 12 volt lights from the battery. You will see that the
battery stays charged even with the lights on and the motor keeps on going.

8. Although I have not tried it, the idea of vaporizing water with microwaves
should also work well in a converted turbine.

SPREAD THIS TECHNOLOGY - IT IS FREE!!

PRINT THIS BEFORE IT IS DELETED FROM THE NET!

Most engine's  intake valve opens before top dead center.  The exhaust valve opens well before bottom dead center.  There is a period of time (overlap) when both valves are open.  My thoughts are to shoten the duration on the cam and take advantage of a more complete burn.  Also I would expect the engine make more torque at a lower rpm and would not need to rpm as high.  You would think there would be a less chance of a backfire as well. 

I'm sure  mr. Meyers had a reason for using an aircooled engine, can anyone help me understand  if there was a reason other than cost?

Hi Jim
Welcome to ionizationx!

It is known that in a 4 stroke cycle the inlet valve(s) open twice.
This is a fenomenon not many people know.
If you use a 1 cylinder powergenerator, you will have a waist spark and that means that in one complete cycle the sparkplug fires twice.

Both points above give lots of trouble.
It goes well on the powerstroke, but it goes totally wrong on the waist stroke where the piston pushes the gasses into the outlet.

It might be an option to adjust the valvetiming, however, dont forget that an engine is an airpump.
You must have sertain amount of air flowing otherwise you loose power.

Steve

Here a test of FF

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaAAdeqSMFE[/youtube]

I think that Freddy used the negative and positive of his battery and his pwm to charge up the water and make it conducting. As soon as it conducts, the charge between the chair and his battery took over...
Dont you think that too?


Its like an electric discharge when you put yr hand on a metal door.....


Steve

Hi Komtek and Mina,

I added more info in my older post here above..

Lets make it complete!

Steve

For the possible replicators in europe, here are the dimensions in metric mm.

Outertube:
Length                                     :  152,4 mm (6 inches)
Outer diameter                        :    25,4 mm (1 inche)
Wall thickness                          :      0,9 mm ( .035 inche)

Innertube                                :  177,8 mm (7 inches)
Outer diameter                        :    19,1 mm (3/4 inche)
Wall thickness                         :      1,7 mm (.065 inche)

technical grade: ASTM A213 or ASME SA-213   (316 seamless?)


The top of the tubes are cut in an angle.
The bottum plug or bolt in the innertube must have a bolt surface, pointing into the innertube.

Ok, then you have to put a welder on the tubes to set the internal magnetic fields of both tubes in the same direction.

Tuning is done with help of an musik instrument tuner or a PC.
Hang the tube up and hit it with a stick of wood.
The outertube is 1 octave lower........? I could not hear good what FF said on this.
He tested the innertube and got a 193.5hz. So ill gues he needs a 96.7hz for the outertube.

The innertube dictates the frequency of this all. You tune at the end the pwm on the frequency of the innertube.

The innertube = negative
The outertube = positive

Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
 
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
 
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
 
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall. 
Carriage bolt for center of 3/4" tube has domed top.

Hi Komtek,

Thank you for posting all this info.
You wrote that the inner and outer tube are 180 degree out of phase.
What does that mean? I thought FF tuned both tubes to the same frequency.

Steve

Yes its hard to believe that a small amount of gas can go so far.
 
I originally thought maybe he had just a liter per min.
But this is no ordinary hydroxy or BG.
 
I'm not absolutely sure but think he said 2H2O2i that came up in a conversation somewhere. But he is also working on Proto7, its completely different.
 
Anyways the strength in his HHO alignment has substancially more impact than the norm.
They call it ionized.
He pointed out just the rise of the tube over its pair creates an ionization. (1 tube taller than the other). A very good point.
Because of the ionization of the gases, they become heavy so this may easily relate to more density.
Put this gas in a balloon and if the balloon does not float and falls to the earth then this ionized gas can be compressed substancially beyond 60psi.
If the balloon floats its not the right gas and you cannot compress it too far before it implodes/explodes, its been suggested be carefull at 15psi.

Komtek,

Ionization happens only when HV is involved or when photons hit a molecule/atom. Never heard of ionization in any otherway. Even Stan Meyer used a HV device.
The thing is that FFreddy is using lots of terms and i am sure he doesnt know the real meaning of them.

The matter of making more space between 2 electrodes doesnt mean anything except that you get less gas at those points.
I have had many tubes rising higher over others.... Never seen a miracle.

Btw, are you Adam on the other forum?

I watched his video with the 1 tube over and over. The only thing he is changing after he reaches the 3 amps is decreasing duty of his 14.7hz cycle. He keeps on hitting the tube with a very small pulse at the end.
For sure i will buy me 2 seamless tubes and tune them into the same frequency and see what happens after hitting that 3 amp border.

Steve

Future Energy Concepts is moving forward to produce a commercial product.  At the same time, they are giving away the plans for free to their prototype that powered the V-8 engine.  The plans can be found at:
first onehttp://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/documentation/node/46

  second onehttp://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/documentation/node/9 

The following video is an example in real time (proof of concept) of how this system performs:

third one

   

The above video was released by the same company that powered the 2004 Dodge eight cylinder pickup truck.

I was told by people who has visit them that this car ran as a hybride. Meaning petrol and HHO.
So, no 100% running on HHO. Lots of * . They wanna atrack investors. I heard it from a potential investor.

As far as tuning tubes to the same frequency, i can inform you that no results at all has reached my ears so far.
If anybody has positive results on the frequency tuning, then please speak out loud!

Steve

My condolecense, Fabio.

Quote from: Steve on August 19, 2010, 18:29:10 pm

Its all scam.

700 watts on tubes with a 10v on all tubes in parallel do max 5 litres.....The parallel tubes can be compared with parallel resistors. The more you have, the lower the resistance, the more amps it pull....

steve

Yes, but they have 9-10 tubes, that can only pull about 4 to 6 amps in tap water.

You might be right in that.
My max with tabwater was with 10 tubes a 30 amps on 20V....
Maybe their tapwater is very dirty and has more iron in it...?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Its all scam.

700 watts on tubes with a 10v on all tubes in parallel do max 5 litres.....The parallel tubes can be compared with parallel resistors. The more you have, the lower the resistance, the more amps it pull....

steve

sorry at least i tried.


  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8&NR=1&feature=fvwp

 
 
Dont be sorry.......heads up!
 
A waterbucket and pump are mucho cheaper......
 
 

Hi Mina,
 
 
Nice to see another fake video.
Such a cell can produce at max 2 litres a minute.
Never ever ever ever 30lpm....
 

Steve
 
 
 
 

My finds with the motorbike engine was that the engine became less warm on HHO then on petrol.
Not sure why.
Maybe the water is cooling it. I did notice some water dripping out my exhaust at the time.
Never seen any petrol coming out.....

Steve

Good point, Bubz.

But might there be an turning point on that?
Meaning that if you have soo much metal and just a tiny drop of water, this law doesnt apply fully anymore?

Steve

What if we use a little bit of HHO in an engine to heat up a drop of water, which expands in volume and so run an engine?
The amount of HHO needed is much less, then if you ran it fully on HHO.
Just a plasma sparkplug, a bit of HHO for getting a high temp rockets boost flame to heat up a waterdrop.....

Here some more theory on this:

A significant feature of the vaporization phase change of water is the large change in volume that accompanies it. A mole of water is 18 grams, and at STP that mole would occupy 22.4 liters if vaporized into a gas. If the change is from water to steam at 100°C, rather than 0°C, then by the ideal gas law that volume is increased by the ratio of the absolute temperatures, 373K/273K, to 30.6 liters. Comparing that to the volume of the liquid water, the volume expands by a factor of 30600/18 = 1700 when vaporized into steam at 100°C. This is a physical fact that firefighters know, because the 1700-fold increase in volume when water is sprayed on a fire or hot surface can be explosive and dangerous.

One way to visualize this large volume change is to note the volume of 18 ml of water in a graduated cylinder as the volume occupied by Avogadro's number of water molecules in the liquid state. If converted into steam at 100°C this same mole of water molecules would fill a balloon 38.8 cm in diameter (15.3 inches).
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So, maybe the injector of Meyer was indead a waterinjector/sparkplug.
By adding a bit of HHO on the air intake, he had the HHO needed to vapourize the waterdrop...


Steve

Bob Boyce? Why doesn't he register to reply? I'd like to see him post here more often...

Its an old quote from Bob that i copied....

We had Bob here some years ago..
Not sure if he still reads up..

Steve

Steve, it related to the direction of the electron pair spin. If both are in the same direction the molecule become magnetic. Paramagnetic i guess.

Thank you.........
Lets skype soon, Fabio.
It has been too long ago.

Steve