Steve

Hi,

Here are drawings of mr. Pantone himself explaining how to make an engine with a geet reactor to run on water only.

Steve

Can somebody explain the amperes in the video here?

Steve

the reason why the hydrogen is rejected from bonding when they high energy state oxygen grabs the electron is because the proton mass of the oxy is repelling the proton mass of hydrogen while pulling the electron

Does it grap the electron, or does it make a bond?

Atoms are the smallest individual units of an element that retain the chemical properties of that element. They contain protons, neutrons (in most cases), and electrons. By definition, all atoms are electrically neutral, meaning that they have the same number of protons as electrons. If an atom acquires an electric charge by gaining or losing one or more electrons, it's called an ion.

Ions are atoms that have gained or lost electrons. An atom that gains electrons acquires a negative charge and is called an anion (pronounced AN-eye-on). An atom that loses electrons acquires a positive charge and is called a cation (CAT-eye-on).

"Element" is an umbrella term for all of the atoms that have the same atomic number. For example, every atom that has 8 protons belongs to the element called oxygen. The term "isotope" is slightly more specific, referring not only to atoms that have the same atomic number, but also the same mass number. Oxygen-16 refers to every atom that has both 8 protons and 8 neutrons. Oxygen-17 is part of the same element as Oxygen-16 (and has the same number of protons) but is a different isotope because it has a different number of neutrons and therefore a different mass.

Found some explanation:


Ionic bonding
Consider now a more difficult situation, one in which two different atoms compete for electrons. One example would be the case involving a sodium atom and a chlorine atom. If these two atoms come close enough to each other, both nuclei pull on all electrons of both atoms. In this case, however, a very different result occurs. The chlorine nucleus has a much larger charge than does the sodium nucleus. It can pull on sodium's electrons much more efficiently than the sodium nucleus can pull on the chlorine electrons. In this case, there is a winner in the battle: chlorine is able to pull one of sodium's electrons away. It adds that electron to its own collection of electrons. In a situation in which one atom is able to completely remove an electron from a second atom, the force of attraction between the two particles is known as an ionic bond.



Read more: Chemical Bond - examples, body, used, water, type, form, energy, system, oxygen, parts, History, Covalent bonding, Ionic bonding, Electronegativity, Polar and nonpolar bonds http://www.scienceclarified.com/Ca-Ch/Chemical-Bond.html#ixzz0eHsjkOIW

Stan explains that the oxygen missing 4 electrons ... being a big atom and positively charged (potential energy added) will want to stabilize and when the spark start the explosion (chain reaction) what happens is that oxygen missing electrons attracts the hydrogen that is relatively small and having only one electron, with more violence releasing thermal energy = to the impact of the atoms. The gain is in kinetic energy. Or heat. Theoretically this holds.

YEs to ionize the h2 is harder because its electron seats on the first orbital thus is very strong attracted by the nuclei.

If you use magnetic field you can slow down or raise the velocity spin of the electrons making it to come closer to the nuclei or far from the nuclei. laser energy can do it too in somehow. He says the nuclei absorbs energy, meyer pictures shows it...

I still have my LEDS laser array, which cover 4 frequencys of the hydrogen atom....
Maybe we need some frequencys of the oxygen, because we want to shoot the electrons of them, is it.

Another question raise: If the oxygen atom looses 4 electrons, it still wants, maybe even more, to mount the hydrogen atom with his single electron.
 What kind of molecule do we get? Some kind of instable water?

Steve

Yeh, those extended Maxwell formula's are terrible!

But back to the principle of ionizing HHO gas into whatever gas output, who probably can be paramagnetic.
Stan used a transformer (VIC) to create HV at certain frequency.
He used a specific space between his electrodes and the electrodes had a specific lenght.

So, i wanna try something.
Outertube: diam. 2.5cm
Innertube: diam. ?  depends on how much HV (7kv?)(frequency?) and possible sparking. HHO conducts very good, so lots of space is needed.  Maybe 1 cm space?

So, lets us build something

steve

All:
Water is an conductor, is it?
So, if a pulsing current is passing a conductor, there must be a magnetic field.
Right?

Does anyone have measured that?


Steve

Ok, Stan Meyer says:

Hydrogen fracturing process
He talks about ionized mix gasses, but on the second hfp picture he is more specific. Just ionized OXYGEN and energized hydrogen.!!!!

The electrons of the hydrogen atom are much closer to the nucleus then the electrons of the Oxygen atom.
I think we can translated that to the power he used for this process.
High enough to kick electrons of the Oxygen atom and not off the hydrogen atom?

Ionization energy
Electrons in an atom are attracted to the atomic nucleus by electrical forces. An electron is negatively charged; the nucleus is positively charged. Since opposite charges attract each other, an electron tends to stay with its atomic nucleus.

In order to remove an electron from an atom, then, energy must be provided to overcome the force of attraction of the nucleus. That energy is called ionization energy.

The energy needed to remove an electron differs from atom to atom. Consider the difference between hydrogen and sodium. Hydrogen has only one electron, located fairly close to its nucleus. A good deal of energy is needed to overcome the attraction of the hydrogen nucleus for its electron. Sodium has 11 electrons, one of which is at a relatively great distance from the nucleus. The force of attraction by the nucleus for that outermost electron is small, compared to the force in a hydrogen atom. The outermost sodium electron can be removed with a relatively small amount of energy.

This comparison can be confirmed by looking at the first ionization energy for both hydrogen and sodium. The first ionization energy is the amount of energy required to remove the first electron from an atom. For hydrogen, that number is 1,312 kilojoules per mole, and for sodium it is 495.9 kilojoules per mole. (A mole is a unit used to represent a certain number of particles, usually atoms or molecules.)


Read more: Ionization - body, used, water, process, energy, oxygen, substance, change, Ionization energy http://www.scienceclarified.com/Io-Ma/Ionization.html#ixzz0e6tmbLYz

The fun thing about the last article, is that it confirms Stan Meyer technology.

So, maybe ionization is the next step. That should make the HHO paramagnetic, so to speak. Then test and see if we get a voltage rimple of a coil.

Hmmmm.
Back to my roots...ionization

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubly_ionized_oxygen
http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/ross/phys2080/ael/saha.htm
http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-336089.html
http://www.scienceclarified.com/Io-Ma/Ionization.html

Steve

http://www.physlink.com/Education/askexperts/ae493.cfm


Question

Why is liquid oxygen magnetic?

Asked by: Mitchell

Answer

Actually it is not magnetic but paramagnetic. That is that it is attracted by the magnetic field but does not remain magnetic once it leaves the field. Gaseous oxygen is paramagnetic also but is moving too fast to be affected by the magnets. The reason that it is paramagnetic is because the oxygen molecule has two unpaired electrons. Electrons not only go around the atom in their orbitals, they also spin, which creates a magnetic field. Unpaired electrons spin in the same direction as each other, which increases the magnetic field effect. When the electron in an orbital become paired with another electron in that orbital, the new electron spins in the opposite direction and this cancels the effect of the first electron. Note that according to Valence Shell Electron Pair Repulsion theory (VSEPR), O2 has no unpaired electrons but according to Molecular Orbital (MO) theory it does have unpaired electrons. Since liquid O2 does stick to a magnet, MO theory is better at explaining the behavior.

Answered by: Mark Lockhart, B.S., High School Chemistry Teacher


Firstly, let us define the properties of the oxygen we'll be talking about. O2 has, in total, 12 valence electrons (each oxygen donating six).

For something to be magnetic (we say 'paramagnetic'), it must have an inequality in the total electron spin. The quantum number ms represents the magnetic spin of an electron. It can have values of 1/2 or -1/2, and is an important number when dealing with bonding and the Pauli exclusion principle. When an atom or molecule has an equal number of 1/2 and -1/2 spins such that they cancel each other out, it is not magnetic (we say 'diamagnetic'), and this can be determined from how the different electron shells are 'filled up' by the electrons.

The VSEPR & Valence Bond theories do not explain O2's magnetic nature. However, experiment reveals it most certainly is! Molecular Orbital Theory (MO Theory) is needed to understand how O2 is magnetic. Teaching the basics of MO Theory would take far more time than can be devoted here, so I'll supply a link or two at the bottom for anyone who wants to learn more.

Anyway, the valence electrons fill the molecular orbitals in much the same fashion as in other bond theories, and the Exclusion Principle still holds, but these orbitals have different names. The order in which O2 will fill the orbitals is:

sigma2s, sigma2s*, sigma2p, sigma2p*

Two electrons can occupy each s orbital, while 6 electrons can occupy each p orbital. Following the Exclusion Principle, two electrons will fill both the 2s and 2s* orbitals, 6 electrons will fill the 2p orbital, and that leaves 2 electrons to fill the 2p* orbital. These two electrons will only partially fill this orbital, and will have parallel spins. Since the rest of the electrons are all paired, the remaining two electrons in the 2p* orbital give the diatomic molecule a net total spin (it does not matter if they are 1/2 or -1/2 spins, they will both be the same). Since there is a net spin, O2 is paramagnetic.

Since this isn't really the place to learn MO Theory, if you wish to learn more, see the following site:

Molecular Orbital Theory
by Purdue

Answered by: Philip Johnson, Physics Undergrad, Memorial University

Hi,

Its a challange to find out what or which components Stan used in his device.
Maybe Don can add something here?

Here are some links on ferrofluids:
http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2009-09/making-ferrofluids-work-you
http://www.supermagnete.nl/eng/FER-01

You can make it yourself. Thats much cheaper.

Sebos,

My resonant circuit has been setup with 5 tubes of the 10 tubes in parallel.
5 for each direction.
I also tried single tube setup, like you have.
My theory is correct that more tubes in parallel will lower total resistance and that way, more current will be consumed (leaked) in the circuit.

Steve

Sebos,

The test i ran here, showed NOT 1 voltage rimple whatsoever.
I used a strong magnet around my HHO output and on the same hose, i had multiple coils.
I pulsed the gas, etc etc.
Again, not 1 rimple.

So, if the option is to ionize gas, because that state can be magnetized, then my test would have shown some rimples too.
The gas from a WFC has always some ionized atoms in it, as far as my theory knowledge goes.

I prever to think that Stan might have used the gas and put that thru a magnetic liquid, like Ferrofluid. If you charge the ferrofluid with a magnet and make it move by use of the gasflow, then you have a moving flux and your coils will detect current.

Just my 2 cents for the moment.
Lets all keep looking into this, because it makes a lot of sense!

Steve

I suggest to change this topic name to Generation of electricity by usage of moving magnetic fields.

I'm going to post something that you all have overlooked. Its a patent called Energy conversion system and Stanley meyer cited this on his patent called Gas electrical hydrogen generator. It basically shows and clearly explain how stan run his buggy.

Ok i'm saying this just to make you read it!!!

It explain well how the epg principle works!

So now you have an energy source.

Just need to figure out constructing the device and testing.

Steve check it out is only pressure that can do this.

Regards
Sebosfacts

Very very nice!

Steve

extra swirl on intake of geet

 
   Big/high bubler = better then smal and low ones.

Personally, i really think that an aluminium outertube and maybe even as innertube will do great. This because of the great heat propertys. It turns also into red when heated..

Well, tests will tell..

Steve

Here are comments from naresh on the basic plans of Pantone:

Many people have built the GEET reactor with all stainless parts and have it working very well.

Other's have built it with the inner pipe as regular steel and outer pipe as stainless steel and that works very well also. Leo got 4x improvement that way.

In a recent radio interview Paul says the rod can be any material. Paul once stated that aluminium once became as hard as carbide so maybe Paul has tried aluminium for a rod.

Those auto plans are old and based on what Paul felt would be the safest thing to do back when the plans were made.

Now Paul says a bubbler should never be used for a vehicle, only for oils and other wastes for stationary applications.

Whichever pipes you use please try to have the inner pipes very smooth inside.

Another thing Paul always says is that the inner and outer flow need to be in opposite directions but a few people who have made the flows the same direction have got better results.

Those free auto plans also say that sizes and dimensions are not critical however, Paul has later said that the clearances are critical and he only gives out the best information to those who pay. So I do not know which is true.

I do not see where in the free auto plans it says which way to point the GEET for initialization. In the free small engine plans he says to point the rod nose South but in radio shows he has sometimes said to point it North and a few people who have pointed it North initially seem to get good results.

More info on how to improve performance of the Geet.