Radiant_1

No, I have not taken any liters/minute measurements.

@Dankie
In the video I think you are talking about there is no treatment to the tubes at all.
There's a couple videos where I heated the tubes and created a carbon layer that was a few Mega ohms and the layering gave it a diode characteristic. I am assuming that it's got to be this...
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0103-50532002000400005&script=sci_arttext

The heat treatment created the CrO2 inner layer and FeO2 outer layer, but, the butane flame deposited a carbon layer (resistance) on top...the result was more charge retention (slower charge leakage into water) and, a diode characteristic.
Myself and another person (collaborating on skype) both found that you could run it  wired up in only one way (The treated tube as - ). Otherwise the layer would be forced off the electrode by the +pressure wave.

When the water was made to conduct (electrolyte added), the cell was wired up correctly, and, 120vdc was applied, the 100w bulb in series with the cell would not light, meaning very little current was flowing. However, when the electrode polarity was reversed the light lit up and the layer was "ejected" from the now + treated tube.

I have never said it was what Stan was doing....nor that it was needed...I simply wanted to show that certain layers may be beneficial here.
I will say however that is most likely a factor in Stan's technology, because, it's going to happen no matter what!! (unless the electrode(s) are insulated)...As you see from the research any type of energetic/oxygen rich environment will cause the FeO2/CrO2 boundary interaction...this is very good, it's like the action of a lead-acid battery with lead + electrodes and Lead oxide - electrodes. It makes a one way energy storage take place (also like electrolytic capacitors).

Very nice to know Dynodon...thx for sharing. I don't know if a layer is "needed", but, I do know however that the second SS touches oxygen it creates a chromium oxide layer....Also, I can show you Technical papers written on how such a layer is "seeded" onto SS through electrolysis, and how this layer is an N-type junction (semiconductor).
I have had personal emails with Ravi on his replication...he is for real, using a HV toroidal transformer and he got very little production until the layer was seeding (Also described an "aura" that is explained in the tunnel diode properties of the layer)...same thing is claimed in a "Breeding" Joe Cell (FYI Meyer tried with concentric circles too...he said they are second to the "cluster" formation in series)

So I do not think the main thing to be focused on is a layer at all...everyone needs to focus on their circuitry first and foremost, figure out how to turn on a circuit while turning off another (I will post my solution soon)

That's a beautiful spray!...Ya we need injectors like that in our cars.

The way I was thinking was like this
http://www.hiking-gear-and-equipment-used-* -Stove.jpg

See the tube running over the burner? When you start it up it spurts out a stream of liquid fuel oil. It go to a lil wick and light like an oil lamp. The heat quickly raises in the tube (carrying the fuel oil) the heat changes the fuel to a gas and gives you a clean burn. That is "Atomization"

@Outlaw

hydro has always said that are cars are the most wastefull in non efficient machine made.. i think i see where he is coming from.. gasoline is nothin more hten carbon and hydrogen as we all know..   i would say the reason why we are so wasteful is no matter what earths air doesnt have enough oxy in it to fully catalize the fuel and burn it completely..thats why we have a catalitic converter to try to burn off the rest..  thats also why they make super chargers and air blowers for performance..

The reason ICE engines are inefficient are for two reasons, first is the incomplete burn...but this is because car companies do not "Atomize" the fuel (look up fuel oil backpacking stoves), instead they use a fuel injector to spray tiny drops (many many molecules)....then they restrict airflow with crappy intakes. It's not because there isn't enough O2...it's because the physicality of the dimensions and poor air flow, mixed with too big of drops to completely burn (the intense heat from a complete burn would need to be addressed too)
Secondly, the "Prime Mover" in the system is heat transfer (expanding air). Most of that heat energy we make is just wasted OUT THE TAILPIPE.

All cars need to "atomize" (literally means single atoms/single molecules...easiest way is with heat) their fuel first...then the exhaust needs to be fashioned much like a radiator...have that radiator section boiling water for the turbine to then create high voltage energy for the production of hydrogen/oxygen, and surplus energy/electricity for w/e!     In fact this is what Dingel needed to do, his car starts on gasoline then is switched over. This is how the GEET system works too!!

@Mikemongo

Dynodon I hope your reading this  as you have seen this firsthand.

I was thinking of the air processor and started looking at the photo of Stan's latest stuff (injectors, solenoids, laser distributor, butterfly air gate, etc.

Is the air(gas) processor under vacuum...where is the butterfly air gate located?

I know at least one of the photos makes it look like the air(gas) processor is sucking air directly in, but I know that's not right without an air filter.

This is on my mind right now and I'm posting this before I go looking through the photos again, but it's stuck in my mind and I think it's important to know where that butterfly air gate is located because there's no reason not to just use the carb butterfly gate if the air processor isn't under vacuum.

Mikemongo

Stan's Gas Processor does sit on top the manifold, above the butterfly. (No carb...Gas proc.... throttle body/air intake...then gas injectors
Since the Gas Proc. is on the intake it experiences a vacuum...the same vacuum that sucks air in through the carburetor. (It was pictured w/o a filter is all...I have patents where the filters there.)

31 is the filter
32 is a restricting device (solenoid valve)
20 is the Gas Proc
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/Untitled-1-2.jpg)

(This is kinda in the wrong thread...but I wanted to address this too...)

that bi-directionnal word is probably nothing special , Radiant's xformer was just a regular neon transformer .


Radiant_1 , whats your take on this , this workd "bi-directionnal" ?

I have come across it, and, I cannot say for sure.
Maybe he was referring to the bi-directional flow of flux?...But, I am also pretty sure he is speaking of the wire wrap....I will have to read it again and get back to you on this one.

Keeping up with all the patents is crazy
I have like 20 or so patents from Meyer...lol

Here's a good read to understand the various flows on a wire

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I don't know what I need to do to get people to see the connection!!!!

Maybe build a working system ?   

Well no sh*t Sherlock!
I've been doing so...I'm waiting on my damn VIC (I also need electrodes welded to all my tube sets...19 tube sets)....my point is there are people with more resources then myself, and, if they were in the right direction (instead of "La La Land") then something would happen NOW!


So please save your condescending remarks...I haven't the time.

Impedance matching optimizes the POWER transfer...Power=Watts

We are not trying to put watts into the secondary, we want voltage (Hence VIC)...google impedance bridging, enough said.

Sure, impedance matching transfers most Power...however, this operation is subtle.

It is being pulsed by an astable 555, only one half of the oscillation is being used (DC). If this transformer was being driven in a normal manner (AC) than impedance matching becomes important because you have the input/output always linked via rolling AC wave (which creates a constant flux). However, in pulsed DC you have further isolation because of 50/50 duty cycle, whereas the largest induced potential is created after the primary is shut off (infinite impedance on primary). Also, what about when I hold the LED chain and it lights up? I couldn't record and do this, but, it lit up even when I had each part in different hands...across my arms and chest.

P.S. The primary, is around 24ga. and the secondary is fine hairlike wire...probably around 36ga....so, how would adding more resistance to the already much higher impeded secondary match these impedance? It wouldn't, it would maximize impedance bridging effect, whereas it is maximizing voltage transfer.

Furthermore, my multimeter shows 200+v, so does my O-scope, in spikes (It will step charge 12000uf caps up to this potential). This potential should destroy LEDs, yet it doesn't...


Anyway, I don't need to convince myself that the same circuit with a grounded secondary would destroy LEDs...If it clicks it clicks.


@Steve
Thanks,
And yes I have, and so have others (Dave Lawton, Ravi, etc)....This is where his Cold Electricity claim comes in!

His demo cell (Lawton replication) was resonant and arguably non-faradic...but how the hell could he supply water vapor and ozone directly to a spark plug voltage zone (his very last version) and have a singular dissociation and then explosive event at the end, and it have any of the stuff claimed to be going on in the Lawton replication happen?
Hmm, I wonder what he meant by Voltage "Intensifier" Circuit...or the comment "current is not delivered or made to flow....in the standard way"?

Dude, the government was trying to get his investors to sue Stan in a class-action lawsuit for this being "normal" electrolysis before he died...I never said Stan's process wasn't Faradic electrolysis...in fact I'm alluding to it being just that. The only thing that makes it viable is the power amplification provided by the phenomenon I'm describing. It's my contention (implied), that his special terms were allegorical, to evade patent invalidation for thermodynamic violations.

Furthermore, DC neon electrode illumination is a known and fixed fact, it can most certainly be used to prove polarity changes experimentally. Empirical observations are also quite persuading in my opinion. The fact that the electrode polarity changes, and the discharge is obviously and undeniably amplified...coupled with the fact that a capacitor cannot supply anything above its rated capacitance is in fact "proof"....the dpdt switch/relay acts as undeniable isolation from source, and mandates nothing extra is added. Sorry that's not enough to prove it to you, and if you don't care enough to look at it yourself (cheap and easy to look at), then, once again, neither do I.

 Mathematical proof is often crafted and in-fact invented after the fact to explain experimental observations. Mathematically crafting/modeling the experiment first, then running the experiment to prove the math is cool and all...but I'm a mathematical fallibist...and I'm after the truth first, then mathematical proof after.

Thats a very nice drawing! 
I can follow what your are thinking there..

Glad to hear it Steve, and thanks, thought it deserved a proper mock-up👌

The statement "demystification" is too loud.
There are no formulas that can be checked and recalculated.
You can check your words (text), if only your installation gives a volume of Brown gas greater than Faraday electrolysis.That is, according to the final result. With the same size of the fuel cell area and the volume of water used.
Formulas also allow you to check at each stage. Starting from the generation scheme -> VIC -> fuel cell

I mean, burden of proof is on whoever wants the world to buy their product. I don't want you buy a thing from me. My efforts, now, and in the past speak for themselves.
Just like the truth, it's self-evident...and it's easy enough to explore for yourself.

I experimentally verified this circuit 14yrs ago...with a dpdt relay and a 555...I saw it underlying in many OU patents I've studied since I started this quest with David Wenbrent's water4fuel Skype channel in 2007... I have replicated many anomalous circuits on my quest to understand, and out of them all, this is the one that stuck in my mind. As I realized that a version of this is in all the significant patents, from Gray's tube, Puriarch's nickel coated water plugs, the three terminal excitation source in the fueless noble gas engine....I would put my money on this is the "truth" of electricity and magnetism Edward Leedskalin was alluding to, that he used to build the Coral Castle.

If you didn't see the experimental proof/demo I had on youtube, looking for a better host atm, but it's very easy to replicate, and that original schematic with the 555, ignition coil and dpdt relay will get you looking the phenomenon in the face, just swap the 35v DC with bridge rectified wall current to see it real nice and significant....you can do it with like $20 on Amazon parts (9$ ignition coil, a dpdt relay/switch and a few bucks for a bridge rectifier and a handful of 1n4007diodes).

It should be glaringly obvious that if the discharge energy increases, as I have shown, with a few extra diodes added in the right place, despite their resistive losses and voltage drops then it's output must be more efficient, regardless...if not, then I can't help you, and your opinion is yours. But why try and disparage?...just move on. If you got a hv ammeter and a hv probe, please take a definitive reading...

Odd how this "give use calculations, and hook it up, or quite down" shade throwing, comes after elucidating how the anomaly of the observation can be explained and how the "unexpected behavior" of a reverse-biased diode conducting by spurious spikes of self/mutually induced counter-currents, often referred to as "reverse recovery" or "reverse conduction" can be exploited to our benefit by using it to regauge the opposing forces of self/mutual induction.

Odd that while it was a demo circuit just showing the concept, with an experimental proof, and words (text)...it was no comment, or "interesting" at best. But the moment I share how I see it, or more accurately, it's abstraction, in some of Stan's circuits...then put together how the abstraction (or possibly the alteration) could be made to work with this observation I took the time to share, in a circuit (that I took the time to fix a mistake on), you want equations, and volumes 🤣

Take it or leave it, I don't really care either way. The word "demystified" is exactly the perfect decibel level to explain "Voltage can do work" as Stan claimed, then say "I believe certain claims and language were disingenuous and misleading....look at this circuit/effect, it's essence is in these schematics, and this schematic has the exact waveform made by digital/semiconductor means that this manually discharged capacitor in my experiment has...weird, this circuit just needs to have the common ground changed to a common +, and this alternate pulse needs to be delivered a little differently based off of my observations of the way this thing triggers/arcs"

Odd and dismissive response for someone on "ionization"x.com

I did it...we have been so misinformed...using my knowledge/memory, and ability to hyper-fixate to my advantage. That plus my inclination to listen to my intuition....I used only components as listed by Stan, but I analyzed the evidence of patent tampering/digital editing after the fact to aid my efforts. I'm certain I figured it out, I know trying to monetize it leads to suppression, so I'm going to just give the info out free. I will answer honest questions, but I will not indulge any speculation, dissolution or distracting redirecting. This pretty much squares my obligations to mankind, and I'm not going to be public about my progress beyond the schematic I'm going to share, and a few pics of my power circuit. This is not about digital circuitry....I have made a nice cd4047b pulse generator, but I'm using my amazing FPGA I got for $80 on sale. It's super accurate and very easy to use....Anyway, enough talk. Take a look, I encourage you to download it or take screenshot. This is the key to Stan, Puriarch,  the Gray tube, the fueless noble gas engine, etc,etc, etc. It's actually the key to the gas processor, the WFC, and even Stan's injector plugs.

Edit: Accidentally drew the SCR, and the NPNs with the wrong polarity...this new attachment is legit 

As stated in a related thread...I have been on vacation with the family, and then had a lot of things to get done before winter rain starts here on the west-coast. Haven't had a lot of time, but I have been doing what I can, when I can.

I analyzed this circuit with my oscilloscope at a lower input power (12v signal generator). I have discovered two isolated, and inverted current flows (opposite direction) existing simutaneously within the ignition secondary. However, at such a low power, I was unable to trigger the phenomena shown in this video. I have come to the conclusion that there is a threshold voltage and/or current  to trigger the phenomena shown, as I observed both currents, but could not get the HV lead to reverse direction as shown, I believe the current density (magnetism, ie self/mutual induction) is the overcoming factor, and the autotransforming action is the initiator, so it seems that the phenomena is neither of the two hypothesized modes of operation...instead it is a combination of both simutaneously. The autotransformer voltage distribution, and the rerouting/regauging of the opposing self/mutual induction are both prime-movers or essential factors in this phenomena. With focus on a low impedance primary, and a high(er) impedance secondary joined into one assymetrical autotransformer. (I want to attempt this on my very low impedance toroidal transformer so bad, but I'm scared I will short the secondary...I will do it, as I can re-wind it, but I need to do some more resonance tests first...lol)

In between active experiments and tests, I reanalyzed many of Stan's patents, most specifically his illustrations. Upon doing so, I made what I believe to be, a huge revelation. 14yrs ago, I was super excited about this circuit, and intuitively proclaimed it was the key...I now believe that more than ever!!!

After re-analyzing Stan's patent diagrams....I see this EXACT circuit in his circuit diagrams. Instead of a dual-pole, dual-throw relay/toggle....he used an SCR to deliver the EXACT same input. I will proceed to prove this in the following posts to come, and furthermore, I will show that Stan's "Electron Extraction Circuit" is the "split positive" diode chain in my circuit.

Finally...I forgot to mention in video, for a split-second, just as current starts to flow, mutual-inductance overpowers autotransformer voltage and the HV lead is HV-...this triggers the diode conduction, which pulls LV+ off of primary.
Secondly, when this happens and forward mutual-induction is nullified, and HV+ pulls the current out of the primary, the current is reversed (same as flyback collapse), it would mutually-induct HV+ increase...so there is still some positive feedback, just a little different then I thought.

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=blKc26x6o8g[/youtube]

One thing I was thinking

Meyer patent gives turns ratios and the voltage input 100 volts

This could give insight about the core he used on the patent

I use the common formula for pulsed transformer
Where turns equals =
Volts / bmax / area m2 / frequency / 2

If it was bidirectional pulse or square wave the last factor is 4 and for sine 4,4

Bmax is usually 0,3 Tesla for ferrite and 1,2 for lamination

There is one time where Stan gives example, including core....600 turn 36awg secondary, 200 turn 24 awg primary, 100 turnrn 24 awg chokes....says it's a 1.5" diameter, 1/2" thick "Ferramic 06# "Permag" ferrite toroid.

He then says "An alternate coil arrangement using a conventional M27 iron transformer core is shown in FIG. 9. The coil wrap is always in one direction only."

Youtube will not publish my video...it's failed twice

Just need to wind 200 turn bifilar chokes on the other half of the toroid now. I first wrapped the MgZn ferrite toroid with 600v polyvinyl electrical tape. Then wrapped the secondary with 6 layers at fifty turns each of 20awg wire(300 turns total), and wrapped each layer with the same 600v electrical tape (1st attached pic).

Then I wrapped 4 layers at 37 turns each of 14awg wire(148 turns total), also wrapping each layer with electrical tape (2nd attached pic)

I didn't follow Stan's specs, but I followed Tesla's trick of equal weight of windings. I wrapped the primary on top of the secondary to maximize mutual induction, and both windings are wrapped in the same direction (again to maximize mutual induction forces).

The bifiliar chokes will also be wrapped in the same direction (you guessed it, to maximize mutual induction forces).