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Stanley Meyer demystified

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Reminds me of another circuit. Diodes help to prevent reversal, and support redirection. Harvesting backEMF nets another step.  But, there's always a headroom ceiling you can attenuate within. 

But that's not what's going on here at all...the diode string reroutes or short circuits the reversed mutual-induction forward pulse of the secondary caused by the rise of charge and growth of the EMF of the weaker initial discharge into the primary. It's starts a chain-reaction positive feedback loop of accelerating the input charge across the primary which is normally slowed from the opposing counter-EMFs of self/mutual induction. Rerouting the this initial counter-EMF from mutual-induction caused by the time-on, has the effect of not only removing the counter-EMF, but it creates it's own self-induced and mutual-induced counter-EMF against itself, which are both working WITH the primary's EMF. As that happens, they all accelerate each other exponentially...

Easily got ChatGPT to do a thought experiment..

https://poe.com/s/fWGwferekLEqSBqVESky

Stanley Meyer demystified

#1 ·

I've spent a great amount of time analyzing patents, reading theories, and creating my own experiments over the better part of a decade...I'm at the point I believe I can adequately put it all together, I will start this thread to lay out the premise, and document results. (Most of my equipment/experiments were stolen from me in 2010, I am essentially starting over...only archive that really remains is the few videos left on my youtube channel @Zer0pointunlimited )....

Stan created, and patented several iterations of his devices...it is my belief now, that Stan, like so many others, intentionally confused and misled people for a couple of reasons. First, his most complicated device, "The Water Fuel Cell" is a culmination of multiple principles already in public domain at the time he released it. Those being, observations of bipolar dynamics of water and high voltage accumulation of charge pioneered by Lord Kelvin (think of the famous Thunder Storm experiment ran in reverse), phenomena discovered by Nikola Tesla in his Utilization of Radiant Energy patent regarding photons impinged on a capacitor plate through a transparent insulator (Stan's gas processor) and observations Tesla made on the discharge of a condensers(capacitors) into inductors, and lastly, the phenomena of nascent, aka mono-atomic, aka "Atomic" hydrogen, explored by Langmuir.

The hang-up most people quickly come to, that stops them dead in their tracks is such....Everyone is operating under the premise that you need to make enough hydrogen on demand to run an internal combustion engine in it's normal mode of operation. By that, I mean a direct replacement of gasoline....that is NOT the case, and has NEVER been. While technically possible, the size of the machine to do so would be impractically large to make it viable in a mobile setting. Even Stan's initial, and most complicated device, The Water Fuel Cell did not do this...and neither did his revised and much simpler injector plugs.

The Water Fuel Cell technology is the most complicated form of the technology and really only desirable for industrial applications where stored hydrogen is needed, and/or the creation of novel magnetized/ionized gasses is desired (more so the Gas Processor)...but I will break-down it's fundamental operation none-the less.

It all comes down to this, "Voltage can do work"...Stan's system essentially turned an electrolysis setup into a capacitor with water as part of the insulator, it uses the fact that water is an insulator, or DI-electric in it's pure form, which means it has equal and oppositely charged atoms making up it's molecule (high dielectric strength), and therefore resists the flow of electrons. The only catch is that water has a low dielectric constant due to the self ionization of water (quantum dynamic of hydrogen ions being delocalized, same phenomena of the "electron cloud" and their location being non-determinate until the very moment of observation...see Quantum "Double slit experiment"). So, just trying to step-charge the Water Fuel Cell with water as dielectric alone, doesn't have very good results as a capacitor. Stan's patents says he overcame this with a custom made stack of alternating carbon/stainless steel resistor. I hypothesized insulating one of the electrodes, which J.L. Naudin did per my recommendations here in 2008, http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/index.htm
The results showed true capacitor action with clear as day step charging, and all the scope shots looked absolutely identical to waveforms in Stan's Patent. Naudin was not impressed with the results, noting only small bubbles and low production (he never went on to produce version 2)...instead Naudin went on to pursue new iterations of circuitry four years later with a pancake coil, and the use of purified water. But never came back to a single insulated electrode.

This brings me to the next requirement that MUST be accomplished to do what Stan was actually doing in the Water Fuel Cell....an ELECTRON EXTRACTION CIRCUIT MUST BE IMPLEMENTED, which I have never seen in any redevelopment....the pure capacitor result MUST stretch the water molecule due to polarization, this is not debatable and well established, and that will %100 reduce the strength of the covalent bonding of water and in fact break the bond (but without a place to go, will recombine due to nondeterministic quantum nature of electrons). This is described in Stan's patents, he shows a resonant high voltage waveform, with periodic off time....this off time is called a "gating" signal. The gating signal does two things, shuts off the input pulse, and simultaneously turns on an electrically separate "electron extraction" circuit...remember, there is covalent bond breaking due to the stresses of polarization in the voltage zone of the Water Fuel Cell, BUT....due to the "delocalized" quantum nature of electrons, as soon as the water leaves the voltage zone, or the voltage is turned off, the molecule starts to relax, and electrons redistribute to their normal probabilistic distribution. The Electron Extraction Circuit turning on from the gate pulse, as the resonant step-charge pulse is turned off, overlays a different potential path to strip the electrons during their momentarily stretched and weakened/broken covalent bond state. The light emitting diodes that make up the resistive load of the Electron Extraction Circuit act as a detector and "observe" the electron's position, making the otherwise indeterminate location of the electron, determinate....electron pulled out of water via VOLTAGE, the opposite/inverse of electrons being dislodged by current pushed into the water molecule....the establishment pushing for investors to sue Stan for fraud shortly before his death, was simply because they couldn't tell the difference and only saw electron flow...and he refused to explain the technique in a method people could grasp.

Now, even as Mythbusters showed in their attempt to debunk the movement, using Hydrogen as a direct method of replacing gasoline is not viable...enter Stan's "Gas Processor"...and the creation of "Atomic Hydrogen".
As I said above, a device that operates in the manner just described to produce enough gas to run a internal combustion engine in normal operation is prohibitive to mobile use, due to the surface area/size of such a device. Instead Stan utilized the further energy release that was described by Langmuir's Atomic Hydrogen observations. Difference being, Stan utilized more efficient methods, namely, another voltage zone, an orthogonal magnetic field, the released photons from the Electron Extraction Circuit, and another Electron Extraction Circuit to snap the Hydrogen molecules into singular Hydrogen atoms. This allows the under-powered molecular hydrogen to release atomic hydrogen's impressive (and anomalous) thermal heat and expand the size of the other incombustible gasses in the cylinder to drive the cylinder.

Lastly, the culmination of this technology into a small device the size of a spark plug.....
In Stan's final device, he figured how to get everything to happen at once, in the Water Fuel Plug...it is deceptively simple.
It starts with an efficient means to turn water to steam, he used two identical, non grounded transformers, with their secondaries attaching to overlapping voltage zones to limit current flow, and increase the vibrational excitation of water into steam, then he ionized the entire air intake of the motor, producing large amounts of ozone being loaded into the cylinders, lastly he fed the steam, and some ozone into the voltage zone of the of the plug and hit it with a high voltage, high current blast. The blast dissociated the water molecule into hydrogen/oxygen and the ozone then rips the free electrons away (making atomic hydrogen), and the massive amount of intake ozone somehow prevents the Atomic Hydrogen from re-associating to molecular hydrogen (reverse mechanism of chlorine depletion of Ozone layer?? I'm not sure, haven't analyzed this effect yet)...Creating Stan's "Atomic Nuclei Decay" of Hydrogen, that he said continues in the cylinder until the products are vented in the exhaust phase, and the Hydrogen can grab free electrons from the air/sun....

This is the easiest form of the technology, all it requires is an efficient resonant charging circuit to be able to charge a sufficiently large electrolytic capacitor on demand, then dump the capacitor into a autotransformer with sufficient inductance/mutual inductance, then an intelligent utilization of positive feedback loop(s) (diode) to re-route self-induction and mutual induction to work with the application of the forward discharge pulse, in effect, exponentially accelerating the the change in work and the change in time (Delta Work/Delta Time=Power), producing an exponential rise in energy provided by the speed in which the magnetic field can be created, and also the time in which the Aether can collapse the magnetic field and send the energy forward. Basically it makes self/mutual induction work with, instead of opposed to the application of current/growth of magnetic field, and subsequently the collapse of field/discharge of current as well.

Attached is a simple circuit I made to disprove an erroneous theory of operation MANY years ago (my explanation was oversimplified then, but ultimately correct), it is deceptively simple, but very powerful...increase the input voltage and change the neon to a spark plug of own design....be wary of those who claim to know the "secret" and mystify it...they are either charlatans only interested in exploiting you, or intentionally trying to confuse the truth. The only arguable thing here, is that Aether is the mechanism of magnetic collapse, but the current state of Quantum dynamics is on that verge now, it's about to be accepted as the current model of Quantum Mechanics.

P.S. One more reverse biased diode across the primary would make it even better, re-routing/realigning primary self-inductance, and flyback spike (I made the diagram 14 y/o, captured from energeticforum archives)

My next post will expound on this coil's operation to give everyone an easily understood basis to get you doing amazing things with it (be careful, it has potential to emit high energy radiation...ie, "soft x-rays")...it is a common thread to many OU technologies. "Splitting the Positive"...Gray, Puriarch, Stan, etc....


How much HHO do we need?

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From what I can tell is that patent is claiming that Hydrogen embrittlement is a desired condition. In which hydrogen trapped between the metal matrices act as catalyst in the combustion of hydrocarbons...truly interesting! But I do not believe it is of primary importance...more like someone cashing in on a happy coincidence.


P.S. How does someone really think they can enforce a patent on an effect caused by an open sourced process going back almost a century? :D

Tube Demo Cell Pictures

#33 ·

My ultimate theory......


Regular electrolysis supplies electrons along with the voltage potential (grounded transformer, if any transformer at all). Since you are supplying the electrons, you add electrolyte to make it conduct large amounts of current for high yield. But, whenever electrons flow they collide making heat which impinges on their flow...creating losses.

Stan's setup supplies no extra electrons...he uses an ungrounded transformer....complete electrical isolation.
Think about it...how would we supply electrons into the water if the input circuit only pulses the primary?
Answer....we don't/can't

Any and all electrons that flow have to come from the secondary side of the setup...secondary, chokes and WFC

I know it may seem like a very simple concept...but, the truth is in the detail.

Knowing this simple fact, let us re-examine  ???

Since the primary will definitely create an induced voltage potential across the secondary, why are people who created rather nice replicas not seeing much gas production?

Well, it's because of that deceptively simple fact...no electrons are added. Because any electron flow through the secondary side of things is an externally driven (magnetic not electronic) closed loop...meaning, as an electron leaves the WFC one is coming back in....NO NET CHANGE!! (serpent eating its own tail)

You may say...well it's the same in regular electrolysis...and it is (in regards to how electrons flow)...however, the difference is the fact that along with your voltage potential, you are supplying electrons above and beyond equilibrium...this fuels chemical reactions, raises temp, and costs a lot since you are directly killing your dipole.

So, what's my point?

Ever wonder why the EEC in one of Stan's patents is just a bulb in series with the WFC? Ever wonder why every individual cell has it's own special resistor on the negative?

These electrons need something to do...by temporarily going into the EEC they are temporarily not in the water...when this happens, you have time for the water to seperate and move. Orthagonal fields help move these momentary ions out of the zone of dissasociation/re-association

I submit this VERY OLD video (I don't post on Youtube anymore) on the peculiar behavior of an ungrounded resonant transformer...Odd how it operates in contrary to "how it should" and actually gets brighter with more LEDs in series (my last Physics Prof didn't have much to say, other than, "Shouldn't be happening"...pshhh Academia hah)...I should of plunged em in water and see if I got some EVGray action...lol
Cold Electricity...oooohhh ahhhhh ;)

Tube Demo Cell Pictures

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@sebosfato
The item you are talking about around the container of the cell is a coil. Stan stated that further energy could be translated into the atoms by a pulsating orthogonal magnetic field. If I remember correctly it's the vic coil around the gas proc. Stephen at xogen places their coil under their plate setup. Dingel discovered it with his coil next to a battery.

@John
The thermal explosive yeild was never demo'd. But it is simple, read William Lyne's "occult aether physics". It gives a nice of overview of the atomic hydrogen process and his explanation goes hand n hand with Meyer's. Everyone scratches their head when Meyer talks about "nuclei decay" and hydrogen as an "energy aperture". But Lyne explains that ZPE energy density is a direct relation to freq. All elements below atomic #19 have ZPE characteristics due to their high vibrations. Hydrogen seems to able to act as a conduit for ZPE. This is the basis for Stan's "miniature controllable sun" code name "Easer". Figure out that and you will see what the gas proc is...and why you don't need the volumes of gas everyone is trying for.

Everything Meyer did was to improve efficiency, by recycling electrons released into LED arrays to up energy levels even further, running in resonance, etc...
This being said, why would this man that is trying so hard to raise efficiency within his own system use the incredibly inefficient heat exchanger that is an ICE as is?
(Something like 7% of your gasoline's energy touches the ground...all else is squandered as waste heat...)

Answer....He didn't.
Just think about it, everyone is trying to create volumes of gas to feed into the intake....this is inefficient (plus I don't think an ICE can take repetitive explosions of that intensity). Instead think of this...you feed in through the intake a medium (air), this medium is at ambient temp., you compress this medium, then, you create the third hottest flame known to man (Atomic Hydrogen Flame) into this compressed medium via a plug at the top of the cylinder. You now don't have to rely solely on burning hydrogen, instead you have created a more efficient heat exchanger and saved precious H2.

The "dynamic waveguide" creates different energy fronts....tapered creates more explosive...concave creates more heat....he is talking about the atomic hydrogen flame projection...

Start with the WFC to make the most efficient HHO one can...Then use light and magnetism to manipulate the gasses to higher energy levels (electron ejection)....steal electrons so spontaneous recombination cannot happen.....throw in some ionized air gasses to bind up the oxygen....finally re-energize the mixture to create the spontaneous recombination of H to H2.  (This is solidified by Stan saying that the H and O cannot recombine until it can acquire free electrons from the environment)

P.S. This is obviously simplified, I do not know the exact chemical equations, but the process is all there. I cannot be certain this is a pure hydrogen mechanism due to all the ionized gasses, but I guarantee it is the prime mover.

Piezo

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Don't get me wrong...I believe piezo could be very useful (I have attached a patent showing atomic resonance with it)...I just don't think a pieze bolt would work in general. Piezos expand and contract by their very nature...if you apply pressure across a piezoelectric matrix (quartz crystals, certain plastics and ceramics...etc) the pressure is translated across the crystal matrix...this results in H.V. polarity on each side....conversely if you apply H.V. to a piezo it will either expand or contract. It's this expanding and contracting that create the pressure waves we hear as sound. So if u made any type of rigid coupling (bolt, sealing surface, direct clap...etc) it will break apart. That's why in industry piezo transducers are glued on, it buffers it just enough so it doesn't fail.

Anyway, if you look at Stan's "waveguide" pictures you will understand that the voltage involved (pure poynting flow) is a longitudinal wave...(like the piezo's sound waves)....they go in one direction for infinity (or until the transmitting power is dissipated into the atmosphere)....Just like in sound...electricity has two possible longitudinal waves that move in only an outwards direction...it's either a Positive pressure wave (meaning a compression  wave) or a Negative pressure wave (meaning a decompression wave)...these two waves either push or pull the surrounding medium. The push/pull waves create a chain reaction (how sound and electricity travel)....in tuned pipes you can get a standing wave to occur very easily. Shaving the slots also brings the larger outer tube's mass down to more  closely equal the mass of the inner tube for a balanced capacitor action.

What note Stan's tubes were tuned for is still anyone's guess, but it is most likely the same as the electrical resonance frequency for peak effic.

Ravi's conditioning also added more surface area and crevices for bubble "nucleation" to happen...among other things...like the oxide layer is a higher dielectric then the pure metal...etc

(I forgot the patent....I just attached it)

Piezo

#3 ·

I'm not arguing, I'm proving...but, believe w/e you want.
Fact of the mater is....I know how piezos work....and a porous material would be a poor piezo indeed. As for my mind...you have no idea!
You are spreading unsubstantiated claims...I would encourage YOU to read it thoroughly ;)
Good day sir....I said GOOD DAY!


P.S.

One more piece of logic to prove it....
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/Jdub6d9/Untitled-1-3.jpg)

Notice how the "vitreous ceramic" makes a seal between the outer steel housing and the inner nickel lined tube???(like the porcelain in a spark plug...ehhh?..ehh?)....well, a piezo expands and contracts...if that ceramic were piezo...it would break apart!!

Score 1more for logic ;)
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Can't see yet how Poynting flow works in this system, want to explain this?

The "Hairpin" circuit consists of actually two circuits...1st is the power circuit...it's nothing more then a H.V. transformer, H.V. capacitor, and a spark gap. 2nd circuit is only coupled to the first circuit...no actual electrical connection. It consists of two capacitors (one on each side of the spark gap) and a bar connecting them.

If you can imagine the action of the spark gap...it has opposite polarities on each side of it, and the rise and fall of the spark gap creates an oscillation. This oscillation is coupled to the 2nd circuit through the two capacitors....since no amps can flow...what exactly is being created in the 2nd part of the circuit???

I challenge you to find an UNGROUNDED transformer...plug it in and note the spark gap from the secondary...then I challenge u to hook a capacitor up to the wires then note the spark gap. You will then know the difference between "Cold Electricity" and "Hot Electricity"
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I think the copper can be seen as a dielectric itself, the plates of the caps connected to the copper form a capacitor with the copper as dielectric

No, the copper is a conductor...there are two capacitors on separate sides of the spark gap so they see opposite polarities...spark gaps creates high frequency AC currents, these current polarize the two capacitors and induce an opposite charge. Since the copper bus bar creates a closed path between the two opposite polarity capacitor plates it creates an inverted induced flow.
As with all UNGROUNDED system (meaning the circuit in between the two capacitors is isolated from power circuit...by the capacitors' dielectric).....the flow is pure Poynting flow that is moving the copper electrons (this is why the loop is so large). You can see evidence of this by the way the incandescent bulb(cannot operate on Poynting alone...needs electron source) behaves when moved up and down...it gets brighter the lower u go. This is because the pressure differential is highest at the start of the loop (meaning the copper electrons are moving faster)...as u get higher the difference is less and less because you are getting closer and closer to the center point, which would have no differential.

Essentially this circuit siphons off the induced mirrored flow between oppositely charged capacitors, using copper bus bars as electron reservoirs.



hydrogen sickness

#4 ·

"Hydrogen is non-toxic.
It is a naturally occurring, basically benign element found freely in the atmosphere. By comparison, petroleum fuels are extremely toxic."
@Outlaw

I have seen nothing with reference to vacuum tubes or the like....the only analog device Stan ever referenced was his special magneto.
As for "physical"...you can take it in many interpretations...it's all covered under the realm of Physics...so I believe he is making reference to the pulsating voltage potential elongating and "fracturing" water.

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so there are no trades of electrons from the plates into the water or vice versa

This is an erroneous statement...
His patent clearly lays out an "ELECTRON EXTRACTION CIRCUIT" (EEC...)
It's quite clear there is electron manipulation...this is likely why he was found guilty in court of Fraud...they couldn't fathom the electron retaining potential and "motoring itself" into another load....this is the "relaxation time" (length of time a molecule/atom retains charge)....and is the basis of OU....it's the basis of everything Tom Beardon, John Bedini, and Joe Newman try and teach....KEEPING INPUT AND OUT ISOLATED!

By keeping the Charge/Discharge separated in COMPLETELY separate circuits you allow charge movement without extra load on the input side. You are also left with charged atoms afterward because it is not an already separated ion traveling to the opposite charged electrode to neutralize (electrolysis)...in fact it's stored potential energy drained off the collector/condenser/capacitor (wfc)

This is not myth...this is not theory....this is cold hard Physics!!!

The demo cell is most likely a highly efficient pulsed resonant electrolysis cell....to make it run a car IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING!!!!................It is clear that the hydrogen is manipulated....CLEAR!!! Stan says it everywhere...."ATOMIC DECAY OF HYDROGEN"....straight from his mouth........It seems like an attempt to describe the compressing nature of ATOMIC Hydrogen atoms condensing to Hydrogen Molecules....I don't know what I need to do to get people to see the connection!!!!

Shooot....connection is a bad word....IT'S A GIANT BRIDGE :D
People just need to realize this is not a competition between experimenters/inventors...instead it's a collaboration. Fear not to be wrong...as Thomas Edison said "I didn't fail 1000 times...I found 1000 ways NOT to make a light bulb"

@Outlaw
While the coils are wound east-west...the wire has a spinning corkscrew of magnetic field around it....when you spiral the wire around a core, these corkscrews of EM energy all add together in series in a gearwise fashion. These spins all accumulate to create a double sided vortex of B-flow....in one end of the coil...out the other. The core acts as a flux path...where all magnetic fields are sucked into it...instead of being evenly distributed. This intensifies the field in a smaller area creating a much more intense localized vortex.
Look here


By crossing coils at 90 degree phase, you will create a complex spiraling B-field....this may intensify the field even more, by creating a ball, or torus of B-field in the center of the core...EMF simulation would need to be run to see what would happen for sure.

But, listen very intently to this video, especially when they describe what they call a "Tesla Extra Coil" (Not really an extra coil)...they talk about the winding creating a complex spiral that speeds up the wave propagation beyond the speed of light.


Also note the "transmission lines" they show, and note inductor and capacitor behavior in the two different configurations.
@Jolt
Serious? My second strike?

That's funny, you say,
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due to your lack of respect

But, what exactly would you call this?
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But if most of you blind believers did some real testing you would know this by now.

I would say that's pretty disrespectful....I believe you took me wrong....I meant you have no idea of what I speak of, or where I come from.

What do u mean 2nd strike?...are u trying to intimidate me? Ur not an admin are u?
@Outlawstc
 :o

You hit it on the head....I agree with your analogies most completely. It's a pleasure to see others expanding their horizons. You have made the connection...you see how existence is a fractal....everything is smaller or larger versions of the same! Different yet the same....

I will PM you later with my take on the longitudinal primary (that's exactly what Meyer lays out....I don't think he ever realized that epoch of design)

We have to remember that Stan was evolving his system....he was trying to achieve perfection in amp restriction. By turning the primary 90 degrees the interaction of coils would be a complex spiral that is a product...or a tangent of the two coils EM fields.
I will talk with you more about it.
@Dankie
Do not talk for me...do not excuse me...and do not attempt to minimize my words. I am only 24 but, have much life experience...I say what I mean and mean what I say.

@Jolt
I did not call you ignorant, I however, stand by my statement that what you said was ignorant because you have no idea (definition of ignorance)
I have no hard feelings, I just don't appreciate such patronizing assertions.
Very cool...but I bet NOT ONE OF YOU HAD AN EEC!  ???
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Of course we seen hv and capacitance and resonance
If you have seen this...then the electrical stress MUST be translated across the water gap too (EEC works here)...
And as for the proof you speak of...I myself would also love to see some of your replication of Naudin ;)  (if it's on the forum somewhere I would love for you to show me)
Well, if there is any circuitry on the secondary (I doubt there is other then the pumping diode due to the HV...not many solid states around that can handle it)
The advantage would be that the secondary swings both ways and a standard rectifier bridge would give out double frequency but at 1/2 the voltage because an AC oscillation's voltage is the difference between the + and -...and using both outputs would give a greater potential difference....with that being said I would like to point out the pumping diode again...and how the way Stan shows it...the BEMF can only go one way  ;) ...so, again I would probably have to say that attempting to modulate the output in any way is a waste of time...(you want the output to oscillate freely in most RLC circuit....this is a non linear resonance though...so it's a lil different)
Now, if he used both sides of a signal B4 the secondary is another matter...I have read many patents and some say different things...but, some ARE different things :D

Voltage without current

#3 ·

@Donald
Mostly correct...except voltage travels at the speed of LIGHT ;)
And, while yes amperage physically moves very slowly if you focus on the path of a certain electron...however, the event is a cascading chain reaction, where the electrons all the way the way at the end of the line (right before load) start moving quickly (but at a slow rate)...but anyway...you are correct on everything else.