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Started by unknown · · 39 posts · last reply 21 May 2009
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During the crash , I talked to a very trusted source , a very intelligent person with great vision . This confirms our doubts .
My question to this person : , everything I said will be presented exactly how I sent the message , with images included
Heres an idea of mine , its kinda like the EEC schematic with the VIC ,but the pulse from the EEC circuit is much higher voltage , I dont know if it will be necessary but maybe for ripping out those electrons even more ?
So we know the cancelling bifilar connection of the all-in-1 VIC never creates a HV gradient across the water gap since its cancelling itself , one is +X voltage other is -X voltage , heres an example , little arros is the direction .
----(+100volts)---->>water gap<<----(-100 volts)----
Do you agree with this ?
So lets say I can possibly also brg the EEC part of the circuit in resonance also , perhaps the phase or "timing" of our pulse will matter , maybe the molecule is weak @ a certain time due to this canceliing force , perhaps "out of time" or some quantum thing ...
Maybe when we get our maximum efficiency our lightbulb is the brightest , perhaps another indicator of resonance apart from the feedback coil ?
All this is good to ponder upon ...attachment_4023 EEC.JPG
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Answer of this person :
No I do not agree....the chokes cancel flux...but, trust me there will
be high voltage. Meyer's notes up to 20Kv...as for the EEC, it doesn't
supply any voltage of it's own. It actually bleeds off the voltage of
the VIC across the water gap.
If you look into the literature (Meyer's patents) the EEC is just a
path to +...so the HV - potential from the Water gap is re-routed
through a load, temporarily shifting electrons -
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My question again to this person:
By flux , do you mean this kind of flux ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Electromagnetism.svg
Lets be very specific here , this stuff can get really really confusing .
So lets say I replaced by cell with an amp-meter , would I get absolute zero if the bifilars were perfect ? This is my understanding ...
Plz explain to me carefully what you mean by "bleeds off" , open switch to ground is it ? , I was under the impression that there was a pulse coming from there , a + force and that -electrons were attracted by this + force .
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Answer of this person:
Yes Dankie that is the flux in which I speak.
Ideally you would read zero...but I doubt that it could be that
perfect. Let me clarify something...the amperage is not being consumed
at all. The fluxes are traveling in opposite directions, with opposite
spins. See, any time current (amperage) flows on a wire it creates
these "Eddy" currents we call flux. The current flow is directly
related to the flux intensity. If you lower the amperage the flux will
also fall in a linear fashion....So, inversely...if we stop the flux
flow we also stop the current flow....the current is essentially
"choked" out...hence the name choke coil
As for the "Bleeding Off"....this is key you get this.
+ and - are equal and opposite....If we get a true capacitor action in
the WFC...when we charge it up we will have + and - standing voltage
even after the power is turned off. In ALL capacitors...the insulator
is charged as well as the plates!
So in a water capacitor....the water itself will take on a charge and
elongate accordingly.
The only thing holding water together are 2 shared electrons between
the H and O...so it should be obvious that we are interested in
manipulating the -electrons.
The EEC works like this...
Voltage is applied and the water capacitor is charged to maximum. The
input circuit (being isolated) is disconnected, then a separate path
is opened up. In Meyer's pics you can clearly see it's a + electrode
supplied in the water...NOT PART OF THE TUBES/CAPACITOR
So, the on pulses charge the capacitor up...the charge circuit is
disconnected....The WFC should hold a HV charge.....A separate path is
opened ACROSS THE CAPACITOR to bleed off the voltage (like shorting it
out)...in this path is an "Electron consuming device"...or light
bulb....or LEDs.
Look here....Bearden gave it to us...w/o telling it was the WFC
http://spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/feb2_bearden.htm
Furthermore, any ferrous(iron based) core is what they call a "flux
path"....this means that all of the flux is concentrated into the
iron. An air core has an even distribution of flux all around it...a
"flux envelope" if you will.
Let us imagine the flow through the "choke"...
Since the B-flow flows in one direction...when it interacts in the
choke, it flowing in one direction on the + side...and in the opposite
direction on the - side. The B-Flow is quite simplified in that
drawing, it actually corkscrews around the wire while spinning. These
two spinning corkscrews of flux meet in the bifilar coil on the iron
core...this concentrates both fluxes into the core and essentially
cancels the B-Flow...which then resists the flow of amperage.
The voltage potentials are still there pulling on them.
I need to find u a document on the flow...I will email it when I find it
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My question to this person:
Lol I think I get tnow , that thyristor is getting pulsed @ the right time . In my confused mind I was like "opposites" attract duuuuuuhhh oink oink ,I tought this meant a battery + voltage , now that I look @ the EEC its clear that you are right .
So this is like an "virtual charge" , we didnt actually put electrons in the "capacitor" yet we can discharge it ?
So a coating is necessary you say
Coating on what electrode again ?
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Answer of this person:
es exactly...we only have to pay to put the charge onto the plates
not to cram in electrons to disrupt the water molecule structure
(electrolysis).
It is in essence a reversed electrolysis...electrons leaving the water
instead of cramming in creating the heat and wasted energy (why
electrolysis is inefficient).
I believe a coating is needed to keep the charge from bleeding off the
plates. This is because through experiments of mine I haven't been
able to get too high a charge, this changed when I added a carbon
coating...carbon conducts but not as well. So it was a "poor"
insulator. None the less I saw more voltage across the water gap.
I believe the coating should be on the + plate. That will allow the
water to touch the - plate and then become - charged. As the water
flows out, it still has that charge. It passes the EEC electrode that
turns on a path to +....the -charge conducts and presto...ionic gas is
released.
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----------------------------------------------- conversation over -------------------------------------------------------
So now its clear that the crux_wfc connection is WRONG .
There should be no more debate on this , ever
Now I know some people didnt mean to be so stubborn . Its not a question about being right or wrong , its a question of truth .
Only truth matters .
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this clearly says the windings are OPPOSED....
"Let us imagine the flow through the "choke"...
Since the B-flow flows in one direction...when it interacts in the
choke, it flowing in one direction on the + side...and in the opposite
direction on the - side. The B-Flow is quite simplified in that
drawing, it actually corkscrews around the wire while spinning. These
two spinning corkscrews of flux meet in the bifilar coil on the iron
core...this concentrates both fluxes into the core and essentially
cancels the B-Flow...which then resists the flow of amperage.
The voltage potentials are still there pulling on them."
exactly as demartin has said and exactly as i have seen.
you can't even comprehend the things you read.
put your self on a list of total confusion......oh yeah and i forgot how dynodon, 2curiouswfc, gotoluc, and gmeast were on a list......ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING.
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#9 · date not recorded
it actually corkscrews around the wire while spinning. These
let me add something: the flux between the wires of a cylindrical coil cancels out and the magnetic field left looks like this, no corkscrews anymore:
two spinning corkscrews of flux..
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Solenoid.svg&filetimestamp=20061113180033
if i use the url tag my post will delete itself by the way stevie
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#10 · date not recorded
this clearly says the windings are OPPOSED....
"Let us imagine the flow through the "choke"...
Since the B-flow flows in one direction...when it interacts in the
choke, it flowing in one direction on the + side...and in the opposite
direction on the - side. The B-Flow is quite simplified in that
drawing, it actually corkscrews around the wire while spinning. These
two spinning corkscrews of flux meet in the bifilar coil on the iron
core...this concentrates both fluxes into the core and essentially
cancels the B-Flow...which then resists the flow of amperage.
The voltage potentials are still there pulling on them."
exactly as demartin has said and exactly as i have seen.
you can't even comprehend the things you read.
put your self on a list of total confusion......oh yeah and i forgot how dynodon, 2curiouswfc, gotoluc, and gmeast were on a list......ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING.
The crux_wfc connection is wrong , this one shown in this picture here is wrong .
Let this be clear , I wasnt the one saying it was hooked up like this if I remember correctly , you were defending this like a fukin inquisitor .
Now you know ...
On this site there will be no dogma , any egos will get crushed .
attachment_4025 cruxconnection.JPG
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This info is good ... mmmm , delicious perfect lasagna .... mmmmm
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@All
The connection is of little importance...no matter what, you wind it the same way. Two wires at the same time...just have it terminate at some posts (like the VIC pic)...after that, you can test which way we want to go in (either opposite sides...or same side) simple testing will show u. So calm down!
"I know one thing....that I know nothing at all"
@Haithar
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Solenoid.svg&filetimestamp=20061113180033
That is the resultant flow of the wires in "series"...it's only 2D...In real life it looks like a double sided vortex. -
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"Some bifilars have adjacent coils in which the convolutions are arranged so that the potential difference is magnified (i.e., the current flows in same parallel direction). The magnetic field created by one winding is multiplied with that created by the other, resulting in a greater net magnetic field. Others are wound so that the current flows in opposite directions. The magnetic field created by one winding is therefore equal and opposite to that created by the other, resulting in a net magnetic field of zero (i.e., neutralizing any negative effects in the coil). In electrical terms, this means that the self-inductance of the coil is zero."
"An early example of the bifilar coil can be seen in Nikola Tesla's United States patent 512,340 of 1894. Tesla explains that in some applications (which he does not specify) the self-inductance of a conventional coil is undesired and has to be neutralised by adding external capacitors. The bifilar coil in this configuration has increased self-capacitance, thereby saving the cost of the capacitors. It is notable that this is not the kind of bifilar winding used in non-inductive wirewound resistors where the windings are wired anti-series to null out self-inductance." -
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Answer of this person:
Yes Dankie that is the flux in which I speak.
Ideally you would read zero...but I doubt that it could be that
perfect. Let me clarify something...the amperage is not being consumed
at all. The fluxes are traveling in opposite directions, with opposite
spins. See, any time current (amperage) flows on a wire it creates
these "Eddy" currents we call flux. The current flow is directly
related to the flux intensity. If you lower the amperage the flux will
also fall in a linear fashion....So, inversely...if we stop the flux
flow we also stop the current flow....the current is essentially
"choked" out...hence the name choke coil
As for the "Bleeding Off"....this is key you get this.
+ and - are equal and opposite....If we get a true capacitor action in
the WFC...when we charge it up we will have + and - standing voltage
even after the power is turned off. In ALL capacitors...the insulator
is charged as well as the plates!
So in a water capacitor....the water itself will take on a charge and
elongate accordingly.
The only thing holding water together are 2 shared electrons between
the H and O...so it should be obvious that we are interested in
manipulating the -electrons.
The EEC works like this...
Voltage is applied and the water capacitor is charged to maximum. The
input circuit (being isolated) is disconnected, then a separate path
is opened up. In Meyer's pics you can clearly see it's a + electrode
supplied in the water...NOT PART OF THE TUBES/CAPACITOR
So, the on pulses charge the capacitor up...the charge circuit is
disconnected....The WFC should hold a HV charge.....A separate path is
opened ACROSS THE CAPACITOR to bleed off the voltage (like shorting it
out)...in this path is an "Electron consuming device"...or light
bulb....or LEDs.
Look here....Bearden gave it to us...w/o telling it was the WFC
http://spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/feb2_bearden.htm
Furthermore, any ferrous(iron based) core is what they call a "flux
path"....this means that all of the flux is concentrated into the
iron. An air core has an even distribution of flux all around it...a
"flux envelope" if you will.
Let us imagine the flow through the "choke"...
Since the B-flow flows in one direction...when it interacts in the
choke, it flowing in one direction on the + side...and in the opposite
direction on the - side. The B-Flow is quite simplified in that
drawing, it actually corkscrews around the wire while spinning. These
two spinning corkscrews of flux meet in the bifilar coil on the iron
core...this concentrates both fluxes into the core and essentially
cancels the B-Flow...which then resists the flow of amperage.
The voltage potentials are still there pulling on them.
I need to find u a document on the flow...I will email it when I find it
I think this theory on charging the wfc with an insulated + tube/plate is a nice one.
Has anybody made a proof of concept , yet, as far as you know?
That JN is not a proof of concept to me, btw. I had some contact with him and he didnt convince me at all.
Steve
attachment_4028 feb2_bearden_generator.gif
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@All
You tried to coat the electrodes with silicon sand, right? What were your findings?
The connection is of little importance...no matter what, you wind it the same way. Two wires at the same time...just have it terminate at some posts (like the VIC pic)...after that, you can test which way we want to go in (either opposite sides...or same side) simple testing will show u. So calm down!
"I know one thing....that I know nothing at all"
@Haithar
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Solenoid.svg&filetimestamp=20061113180033
That is the resultant flow of the wires in "series"...it's only 2D...In real life it looks like a double sided vortex. -
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To me it was a proof of concept of low amps electrolysis . And radiant's videos are proof of capacitor charging with cancelled flux . I am satisfied with the proof .
JLN certainly didnt update his wfc stuff . His point of view must be much more complex than what he has let us see ...
His coating was mega-Ohm range , so the circuit must have been very very low amps .
To me this is proof that regular electrolysis wasnt performed ,and that 2+2=4
If we can charge something with a "virtual charge" and use this charge for real , its getting good . -
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The truth is now out there , I am satisfied with this theory and feel its 95% close to what was physically . The rest is all about fine-tuning this process . But we have now identified the process after alot of speculation , alot of debate .
This counter rotating flux be happen in our cell as well , opposing direction and counter-rotating flux .
This somehow "unwinds the time energy" , and we "let time snap back" ... Or something like that ... Took that from Bearden
This is it folks , we will get OU by the end of this summer .
Yall get busy now with thyristors and EEC circuits , things are gonna get alot easier now that we know what to look for
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for every action one trade takes place on the quantum level of view.. its all pressures and vacuums that make us and our reality,, to give 1 pressure is to also take one vacuum. somthing thats hard for people to see is what happens when there balances are not of equal opposition.. meaning like +500 and -500, +1000 and -1000 and so on.. when there off (lets say +500 and -200) you have turbulence.. either the pressure or vacuum state (in this case +500 is vacuum) its working with more force there for it is still trading on a 1/1 ratio but the turbulence is a roll in direction along with the trade.. these are what god calls paths.. that turbulent roll is really creating more trades of one state either vacuum or pressure, even though its a 1/1 trade the roll represents more trades of one state... we are building up real state differences in the chokes.. those real differences need to balance so there will be action in the cell.. but it also takes a vibration to alow saturation.. thats what the frequency does.. it is resonance not of electric but of waters natural ability to take on the charge.. i agree with all your truths you have found dankie. but at the same moment i am curious of your unclear thoughts.. so i search.. my search creates gains.. the gains are more knowlege to base truth off of.... these are gains that god like to see.. people that know that they really cant know everything because to know everything is infinity truth, are the ones of wisdom.. it is impossible to know everything in the time we have here.. but we can know the simple concept of working toward the path of infinity truth.. some people choose to turbulate towards infinity lies.. they are the ones on the path to hell.. -
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i agree with all your truths you have found dankie. but at the same moment i am curious of your unclear thoughts.. so i search.. my search creates gains.. the gains are more knowlege to base truth off of.... these are gains that * like to see.. people that know that they really cant know everything because to know everything is infinity truth, are the ones of wisdom.. it is impossible to know everything in the time we have here.. but we can know the simple concept of working toward the path of infinity truth.. some people choose to turbulate towards infinity lies.. they are the ones on the path to hell..
I agree ,it has been a long road , it took a long time , our path is still a bit "clouded" , but its a light mist , we can still see the path , we will continure on this path towards infinity .
Some people are there to throw you off your well intentionned path , they are "the fog" , "the fog" plays tricks with your senses and leads you to the "forest of the lost" where you starve to dead and get eaten by wolves .
But some people do not use their eyes to navigate , they do not get influenced by "the fog" . Some people even know how to "defeat the fog" so that everybody can see the path .
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exactomundo.. and at this moment in time the illuminate (rich personal gain elites) are the frogs you speak of.. they are of my up most interest other then quantum technologys.. .. they are of a high vacuum state... they are known as the illuminate because they illuminate like the frog and there lumination is natzi. -
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@All
You tried to coat the electrodes with silicon sand, right? What were your findings?
The connection is of little importance...no matter what, you wind it the same way. Two wires at the same time...just have it terminate at some posts (like the VIC pic)...after that, you can test which way we want to go in (either opposite sides...or same side) simple testing will show u. So calm down!
"I know one thing....that I know nothing at all"
@Haithar
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Solenoid.svg&filetimestamp=20061113180033
That is the resultant flow of the wires in "series"...it's only 2D...In real life it looks like a double sided vortex.
@Alan
Yes I did, it was about the same as the carbon. It made a distinct layering that gave me the ability to hold more charge.
Also, the layers acted like diodes....it would carry tiny current one direction. Reverse it and it would carry a bunch....but, it would also remove your layer.
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@Outlawstc
"it is resonance not of electric but of waters natural ability to take on the charge"
This may be true...but, water's relaxation time is rather slow. Being so slow, it holds a charge rather well when done right.
For instance study Lord Kelvin's Water Drop Generator. The water is charged as it leaves the water container.
"Even though water has no overall electric charge, it is full of movable electric charges (called ions). Half of the water's charges are positive and half are negative. It is not hard to separate these charges; simply hold an electrified object near the water. The electrified object will attract the "unlike" charges to the water's surface. It will also repel the "alike" charges away deeper into the water.
In the above diagram, the positive object attracts the water's negative ions and repels the positive ions. This draws an excess of negative ions into the tip of the water dripper, while repelling an equal amount of positive ions off to the other end of the dripper. When the water drop detaches from the tip of the dripper, an overall negative electric charge is still trapped in the droplet. The falling water droplet carries away negative charge, leaving the dripper slightly positive. If we catch the falling droplets in a container, the container will become negatively charged. "
So my point is...I TRULY believe it is super simple. I think resonance is for the gains in voltage potential only, but, I could be wrong
Take this as evidence of my stance....
"Microwave heating is sometimes explained as a resonance of water molecules, but this is incorrect: such resonance only occurs in water vapor at much higher frequencies, at about 20 GHz."
I cannot get that high of a frequency....can you?
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@Outlawstc
"it is resonance not of electric but of waters natural ability to take on the charge"
This may be true...but, water's relaxation time is rather slow. Being so slow, it holds a charge rather well when done right.
For instance study Lord Kelvin's Water Drop Generator. The water is charged as it leaves the water container.
"Even though water has no overall electric charge, it is full of movable electric charges (called ions). Half of the water's charges are positive and half are negative. It is not hard to separate these charges; simply hold an electrified object near the water. The electrified object will attract the "unlike" charges to the water's surface. It will also repel the "alike" charges away deeper into the water.
In the above diagram, the positive object attracts the water's negative ions and repels the positive ions. This draws an excess of negative ions into the tip of the water dripper, while repelling an equal amount of positive ions off to the other end of the dripper. When the water drop detaches from the tip of the dripper, an overall negative electric charge is still trapped in the droplet. The falling water droplet carries away negative charge, leaving the dripper slightly positive. If we catch the falling droplets in a container, the container will become negatively charged. "
So my point is...I TRULY believe it is super simple. I think resonance is for the gains in voltage potential only, but, I could be wrong
Take this as evidence of my stance....
"Microwave heating is sometimes explained as a resonance of water molecules, but this is incorrect: such resonance only occurs in water vapor at much higher frequencies, at about 20 GHz."
I cannot get that high of a frequency....can you?
So you were pulsing that little choke thing with a neon transformer , @ around 5kv .
Yet that capacitor in your video held what ? 50 volts or sumthin ? Resonance was indicated by the speed @ wich it charged , shows how simple it is.... so you just picked a random transformer and random choke and a random capacitor and charged that thing up ? No cuper calculations involved ?
@ what lvl can you usually charge an uncoated water capacitor/cell ?
@ what lvl can you usually charge a coated water capacitor/cell ?
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@Dankie
Yes, I was pulsing a low power neon sign transformer that is rated 5kv when driven at 120VAC....I was driving it at 12VDC. So the power spikes were much lower...but definitely HV...at least around 300-500V impulses. (Too hard to tell on my scope...off the charts)
So, yes a random xformer, a random choke, and a random capacitor.
What you have to realize is there was NO AMPLIFIER STAGE in those videos....I was pulsing it straight from the 555 (sharpest signal u can get really, adding amplifier stages degrades the square wave)....So, the power is EXTREMELY LOW!!! Max output from a 555 before it blows up is around 12v @ 190ma....that's around 2 watts...mine were running cool at around 80ma or about 1watt....but, it's a square wave (on half the time)...so the out put is divided by two, so it's really less then 1/2 a watt.
As you can see in this video, the voltage is very high indeed. It is high enough voltage to travel over my dry skin (which is a very large resistance)...this phenomena is very interesting!
You have to understand...ANY setup will have a natural resonance. As long as it include SOME R=resistance L=inductance C=capacitance. So, you could make a random WFC, a random choke coil...and a random transformer. No matter what the values are...that system will resonate at some frequency. You can sweep through the frequencies with a probe on the WFC and see resonance when the voltage spikes up.
P.S. If anyone has a copy of a video I made a while back where I pulsed an ignition coil with a 555 and captured charge on one wire and discharged a xenon bulb....I have lost it and would like it again.
It is another example of resonance....and in fact i made a companion video showing the standing wave all my house and in my oscope w/o a connection made!!