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It seems like this is the next way to go , RF and reactance and all the impedance stuff only happens with AC . I am past the VIC with diode at this point .

This is not what puharich or Stephen was doing .

Reactance only happens with not-DC. Not only AC but also pulsed DC obviously. And impedance matching is just optimizing a circuit for minimal losses and maximum power or ruling out waveerrors in cables (reflexion and so on).

i think it's of course possible, but the losses due to the much too high voltage are enormous. it's simple current electrolysis, but both hydrogen and oxygen are produced at the electrodes which is not the case with dc.

i then wonder why people like UncleFester claim to produce much more gas with <10W.

okay i read the patent, very interesting that a car manufacturer has a system nearly identical to stan meyers.

- low power decomposition, low current, high voltage (decomposition explained with electromagnetic waves, noteable: negative voltage (electrons)!)
- sharp voltage spikes again (this time triangular, not gated)
- 400Hz from a 50Hz powersource, easily done, to minituarize the transformer which then steps the voltage up to 1500V
- semiconductor to inhibit current (various ways to do that, they use material, jnaudin uses insulation spray, stan uses his amp inhibit circuit)
- flat surface of the electrodes to ensure that the gas bubbles aren't sticking to the surface
- heating the water "activates" it (?)
- change electrodes from time to time so that no material is wasted

could someone please reupload the video you are talking about? I'd be very interested to see it.

The theory on pulsed electrolysis:

This, you all can test.
Take a waterfuelcell and hook it up to a pulsing circuit (even Dankie's circuit would work... )
The whole idea is that you get more amps into the wfc compared towards strait DC.
So how is that gonna happen?

Set your circuit on like 160Hz. duty of 40 or 50%
Put an ampmeter in serie with your wfc.
Now, measure the amp pulses. If you look carefull, you will notice that you see high amp pulses (example 10 amps by 10V)
If you compare that with strait DC on 10V, you will see a lower amperage, like 6 amps.

That is the theory i could find on this, sofar. I do see this effect and it is explanable.


regards
Steve

But if you have 50% dutycycle that's as effective as 5 Amps DC. 10Amps * 0,5 = 5A effective

http://www.bakhir.ru/eng/eca/eca-essential/
Just watched a documentary about water (in german unfortunately), it was very interesting. among various inventors and scientist it featured this man, whose invention is on the market for quite some time now and used in many russian hospitals.

notice the "unipolar" among other interesting things.


brown's gas, HHO, meta-activated water.. probably it's all the same.

thanks.

Test 1 (with straight DC)
Volt : 12
Amps : 18

that's a resistance of 2/3 Ohms for the watercap. not good, even 2.5Amps with distilled water is <5Ohms.
when i had my tubecell it measured in the megaohm range even with water. need that for a good Q value.

it seems i have to try it out

hello there,

to all you guys with cells out there, how much amps straight-dc does a cell draw when immersed in clean tapwater?
please put your past results in here along with the volts. thanks. 

Would be nice to see what others have done no sense in doing the same work twice. I will tell all good and bad here. Open source.
 You know it surprises me that there is not more collaborative approach on these boards. Maybe its going on behind the scene. Not in an open manner. Hope final information is passed on to the masses. Rami.

most people published everything they did here, but as you can see no one (not many?) had success with splitting water via voltage and moved on. The forum is full of threads about other peoples' work.

I don't mean for this to be a blog, can I pulse a inductor straight from my function generator #10 copper insulated wire 150 turns around magneticish core 4ohms resistance. Can I just pulse the base of a transistor or do I need to make a simple isolation circuit? Does anyone have a schematic with values? Thanks, Rami.

It depends on the function generator and the power draw of the inductor.
But most likely you'll switch it through a MOSFET, the gate is connected to the function generator.


A help for the starter: http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transistor/tran_7.html

Hi everyone. I will start this off. What is the maximum safe pressure you can have h2o gas at? What if its mixed 50% with nitrogen?  Thanks in advance. Rami

Depends on the container you use?    Also you can use the universal gas law to detemine the temperature at a given volume and pressure, you want to be below the burn temperature obviously.

yes Joule which is the same as kg * m² / s²

i just hope the next one who is able to replicate it will opensource it instead of disappearing from all forums forever..

no he did not mention any specific info someone could use.

He's talking about scalar waves and their influence on water. Then he's talking about his institute where he is developing projects for the industry, they did a project on water and the conversion of water to HHO.  Then a bit about efficiency of electrolysis and getting up the efficiency of the conversion, he's talking about high voltage electrolysis which seems to have a worse efficiency factor then standard electrolysis, but they do research on new technologies and on-demand electrolysis.
could be meyer technology, but he doesn't go into detail.

it actually corkscrews around the wire while spinning. These
two spinning corkscrews of flux..

let me add something: the flux between the wires of a cylindrical coil cancels out and the magnetic field left looks like this, no corkscrews anymore:
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Solenoid.svg&filetimestamp=20061113180033


if i use the url tag my post will delete itself by the way stevie

there is also the honda patent where they also use high voltage spikes to split water in the middle between the plates (no electrolysis), and there are others i guess...

everyone uses another way to restrict amps while having high voltage, honda uses semiconductors, stan used the vic and so on ...
i dont think it matters how you do it, as long as you get the high voltage spikes at a relatively high frequency to hit the water.

wow this is such a simple idea, no current, high voltage and no expensive stainless steel, no amp inhibit circuit needed, wow!
i'll build one in the semester holidays.

Everything of this book has been very enlightening to me, so many things he knew and he wrote that in 1900! He seems to have thought just about everything the energy industry is researching on today - better batteries, water, wind, geothermal, chemistry and even free energy. and he lived until the 1940s!!

There's also decomposition of water mentioned : http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm

quotes:
" But a cold electrolytic process of manufacture is the ideal         solution, and on this I have placed my hope."

"The industrial project, as I worked it out six years ago, contemplated         the employment of the electric currents derived from the energy of a         waterfall, not directly for smelting the ore, but for decomposing water         for a preliminary step.  To lessen the cost of the plant, I proposed to         generate the currents in exceptionally cheap and simple dynamos, which I         designed for this sole purpose.  The hydrogen liberated in the         electrolytic decomposition was to be burned or recombined with oxygen,         not with that from which it was separated, but with that of the         atmosphere.  Thus very nearly the total electrical energy used up in the         decomposition of the water would be recovered in the form of heat         resulting from the recombination of the hydrogen. "

"After all, in generating electricity in this manner, we should         be destroying material, and this would be a barbarous process.  We ought         to be able to obtain the energy we need without consumption of material."

"It is possible, and even probable, that there will be, in time, other         resources of energy opened up, of which we have no knowledge now.  We may         even find ways of applying forces such as magnetism or gravity for         driving machinery without using any other means.  Such realizations,         though highly improbable, are not impossible. "

I was vainly endeavoring to form an idea of how this might be         accomplished, when I read some statements from Carnot and Lord Kelvin         (then Sir William Thomson) which meant virtually that it is impossible         for an inanimate mechanism or self-acting machine to cool a portion of         the medium below the temperature of the surrounding, and operate by the         heat abstracted.  These statements interested me intensely.  Evidently a         living being could do this very thing, and since the experiences of my         early life which I have related had convinced me that a living being is         only an automaton, or, otherwise stated, a         "self-acting-engine,"