Voltage does Work!!! And Here is why!!

#76 · 28 Jan 2011

Well, I found in a brazilian website for physics experiments the edison effect, they just took a regular lamp (filament) and added a top made of aluminum paper, than they could light a neon bulb connecting it to the aluminum and to the base of the lamp. Only half of the neon lighted up so they say it happens like a rectification.

They also say that any heating element will do this.

Well got to say this is very exiting, i'm thinking a way to get around with those electrons and thought of the following, to have a heating element inside a copper tube and to add another isolated supply between the filament and the tube (positive to the tube) this will deflect the electrons possibly ionizing the air passing there thus maybe eliminating those electrons.

Other thing that crossed my mind is that if you just operate the cell thru this amp consuming device, being everything isolated ground there should occur electron extraction too and therefore also the water polarization.

The thing is that you need to light the filament so it can emit electrons away like stan said. And a way to get them consumed or tracked at least so we can know where they are going should be found.

I have here some SS wire and some ceramics formers for high temp resistors wire wound. I will check how much current should pass in order to light it up. I also think that coating it with low work function material would help. But the idea to add the field makes of it a thermo emission field effect aided.

I read today in some books that if you apply a field to the emission you increase the emission. This is called field emission. Light can also be used to help.

I repeat that maybe the amp restriction is also acomplish by the crossed fields on the electrons, like the negative electrode to be the positive stationary field in relation to outside the bath so the positive field don't allow the electrons to flow cause it attracts them.

Other thing i thought of is that the electron extraction thereto can be used being in series with the cell or to discharge the outside electrode.

I think that also a spark gap is a good way to send away electrons. (not very good idea having hydrogen around)

I want to explain a little better why the water would get positive charges if the electron extraction (lamp) is used in series (and of course if everything is isolated from ground).

A battery to have potential this happens cause of electrons go from the negative side to complete the way thru the circuit and get killed on the positive side. If you make the electrons go away from the circuit, the positive of the battery will not get destroyed. Actually i guess it will but will be because of the electrons that exited the bath, thus leaving the water a net positive charge. Witch interacts with the sub atomic forces within the water molecule and thereby switch off the covalent bounding.

Problems are, How to consume the electrons. (maybe solved)

How to know the exact filament to make it shine bright.

I thought of doing the following experiment.

To take a heating filament that lights up bright when 20 amps pass thru it. Than connect to the isolated bath direct from the battery. Than measure the voltage of the water in relation to the outside of the container.

I think that if all this is true probably few crude experiments could prove the point.

sebosfato

#77 · 28 Jan 2011

would also say that maybe the amp inhibiting coil is the one that goes connected to the outside of the container. And i would say that it has a closed loop induction core in order to compensate and thus complete the resonant frequency.

I mean, In the Vic Sync pulse.

Both charging chokes go to the tubes and the amp inhibiting go to outside the container. (in the tech paper stan say SS wire for it) Not sure if really needed. Except if he wanted it to also become its amp consuming device. As per the temperature ss support and as by skin effect it would have the probability of emiting electrons. We shall not let anything pass unobserved.

I mean, the inductance of the secondary plus that of the chokes 56 and 62 than all this multiplied by the capacitance of the tubes, must equal to the inductance of half of the secondary + the amp inhibiting+ the choke 62 all this multiplied by the relative capacitance to the outside of the container.

In my analysis this form a resonant tank perfectly in equilibrium. And agree with my theory that the outside must be the 0v or relative ground.

This is pretty similar to the picture of dan danfor but not exactly. Is like if the water charge only in one direction and when the current should change direction it does but going to the outside capacitor. All this affect the water.

andy

#78 · 28 Jan 2011

Sebos
Can you take look at this vid :

thank
andy

sebosfato

#79 · date not recorded

I have saw this before. He simply transmit the electricity and the diode receive like a antenna but as it rectifies you see the bubbles coming out of the water. I don't really see anything special. What you think about the video? I'm missing something?

This night kept thinking to the exhaustion about how the vic sync could be in resonance.

I guess i found why.

Being the drawing i made in page two of this thread correct.

I split it into two half wave resonance.

I made some calculations using 5 khz as the base. And i thought of this!

The side having the water capacitor being the water capacitor 1,6nf, the coils and choke must totalize 600mh
This comprise The amp inhibiting coil one piece of the secondary of the transformer and the upper choke.

The other side being the outside capacitance 300pf the coils must totalize 3,3H
Being the Amp inhibiting coil, the bigger piece of secondary and the lower choke.

Basically i think the secondary and the bottom choke must be bigger if all this is correct.

This way everything will resonate.

differently

If the amp inhibiting coil go instead to the outside of the container. Witch i think is very possible.

Than the figure would be different. By obvious reasons. The thing is that half the circuit inductance multiplied by the respective capacitance must equal the other half inductance multiplied by the other respective capacitance. As the capacitances are different the coils must agree to make everything resonate at the same frequency.

I'm thinking about the possibility of some of the chokes or even the amp inhibiting coil making part of the same transformer.

I will call the Amp Inhibiting coil from now AIC

The variable resonant charging choke VRCC

The resonant charging choke RCC

I say this because whenever you have a choke after a diode in the same core, the voltage become kind of limitless.

What could also be is that the transformer is one core, the RCC chokes another core and the AIC another core, or at least this in the same core of the transformer.

Well, I don't know. I believe we should try all the possibilities exhaustively.

However my best guess is that the AIC go to the tube and not outside. And that possibly the outer and inner tube could be reversed polarity maybe being the inside 0v. Again many things to be tested. Everything must be draw analyzed and take notes.

sebosfato

#80 · date not recorded

I think meyer got the way of calculating the coils and capacitors by complex impedance to match the perfect resonance as the coils have resistance there is a deviation of the resonant frequency.

andy

#81 · date not recorded

Hi sebos
in this vid gas coming off only from one electrode . This electrode have negative polarity. There is'nt
other electrode. It's like negative charging of water. (or the one electrode electrolysis )
andy

sebosfato

#82 · date not recorded

Andy, what is happening in my opinion is that on the other electrode the oxygen is oxidizing the anode thus becoming a solid oxide and thats in my opinion why it don't come out as gas. And also this oxidazability of the anode maybe is the reason it is working too.

sebosfato

#83 · date not recorded

Donald i was reading old threads about electron extraction, and found that i should explain the time share rate of the covalent eletcron.

Oxygen being one of the most electronegative atoms in the periodic table like electrons very much. When it accept the electrons of the hydrogen during the combustion it takes the hydrogen electrons and robs them, making them to be most of the time in the oxygen orbit.

This makes the time share tend to the oxygen for the most part of the time.

Altering the time share rate relates to increase the hydrogen atom positive charge and or increase the oxygen negative charge so the hydrogen attracts more the covalent electrons and the oxygen repels the covalent electrons. This in turn obviously change the covalent force, weakening it by affecting the time share rate.

I learned this last year when i was frequenting the atomic and molecular physics lessons.

Stan say that when he electrically intensify the water atoms its charges become intensified, the hydrogen become more positive and oxygen more negative.

I guess giving the water a positive charge ejecting electrons would interfere in this. But i think that voltage also must be applied in there between the plates too.

sebosfato

#84 · date not recorded

thats Why when he talk about preventing the water molecule from reform initially he ionized the hydrogen negatively (so it repel the oxygen), and later only ionized the oxygen and water positively (cause probably is easier and thus it repel the hydrogen fracturing it stealing its electrons).

sebosfato

#85 · date not recorded

I made the test and some gas production using deionized water. I think that i'm on the track. I used one transformer outputting ac going to the outside of the container and the outer tube, and a the VIC connected to the inner tube and outside of the container.

Between the tubes there was 23 volts DC and 20 AC and some bubbles started to appear. This was the first test i did and was the better one. I tried to change the configuration in all manners i thought.

The primary of the ac transformer (flyback) is connected in parallel with the other primary. I'm not sure what is the frequency. Going into nor the power consumption, but is very low cause the mosfet does not even get warm.

I will tray adding a diode on the ac transformer to see what happens.

My problems are, meters and oscilloscope missing, and the circuit is not working very well.

obs when the ac primary is not connected to the source the flyback vibrates intensely.

The voltage between the water and outside now is only 17v dc...

Forgot to say
I'm not using the trains of pulses and other thing is that this deionized water i can input 400volts between the tubes and no bubbles come out.

Steve

#86 · date not recorded

Well done!
Cannot wait to hear more on this.

Steve

kickbackemf

#87 · 30 Jan 2011

Sebosfato,

Here's a simple way to test your theory. Take a 110v to 24 v step down transformer and run the primary and secondary as chokes. Mix and match the input output wires to reach the highest system voltage as in the 8XA.

Now, throw together a one gallon wide mouth glass leyden jar with foil inside and out and filled with salt water. Connect this in parallel with your cell. You will be in the 2-4 kv range real quick with few amps from your variac.

I'd like some confirmation of this effect I get with this arrangment from anyone else interested in trying it.

just playing

kb

sebosfato

#88 · date not recorded

Hello guys,

I cound't test in the last day cause i'm very sick, as soon as i get better i will come back to work.

I've read a lot recently and would like to recommend to you http://www.google.com/patents PATENT NUMBER 2,948,861 CRYSTAL BAbb

This patent talk about Quantum MechanicAL Resonance

VEry cool this patent was cited by Lawrence Nelson patent

Hope you enjoy