TonyWoodside

Kali, basically what Stan's input waveform to the cell is suppose to look like is a full-wave rectification of an AM signal like the 3rd image in the picture below.

I have a question that I want to be some attention to. A while back I thought this problem over and worked it out and had to come up with a formula for this situation. Well as Stan states in his papers that the chokes act as a frequency doubler, then you cannot use the basic series LC formula 1/(2pi* sqrt(LC)) to find the Resonant Frequency. So i came up with a formula to find this resonant frequency.
Here is an example:
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/LCcircuit3.png)
if you pulse the Primary @ 5khz, the Secondary will also pulse @ 5khz, the chokes will have 5khz going in but will have 10khz coming out so that the Capacitor will be hit with a 10khz frequency!!!

So for a normal LC non-doubling circuit you would have the following:
Primary pulsed @ 5khz the LC resonant frequency for a setup with the Sec+L1+L2= 9H and C= 1.6nF  Resonant Freq. = 1327 Hz

Now this same set up as a LC Frequency Doubling circuit would give the following resonant frequency:
Primary pulsed @ 5khz the Resonant Frequency = 938 Hz

So as you can see we have a lower Resonant Frequency from the same circuit and the only difference one is configured as a frequency doubler. This has to be accounted for in Stan's setup!!!!

-Tony Woodside-

@10khz, Capacitor (XC) = 1.6nF
XL = 2pi * f*L
XC = 2pi * f*C
fr = 1/ (2pi * sqrt(LC))
 
Primary = 12.56k Ohms
(Sec.+L1+L2+XC = Rt) = 188.4k + 408.2k + 408.2k + 9.952k = 1014752 Ohms

Primary 12v@10khz = 12/12.56k = 995uA
LC 1kv@10khz = 1kv/1014754 = 985uA

so by adding in the XC you get a difference of 10uA

fr = 1/ (2pi * sqrt(16H)*(1.6nF))

Im using 1.6nF because thats the capacitance of the 3" tube set.
so actually in with these values that Don has, the resonant frequency would be around 995Hz, not 10khz. The resonance that Stan Meyer's talks about isnt resonance as most people think. He used terms that weren't being used in it correct sense.

-Tony Woodside-

Now there's also something else ya have to remember here, depending on the test equipment, most meters are not accurate at frequencies over 500Hz. So the current reading maybe not be accurate due to propagation of the meter.

-Tony Woodside-   

My calculations are based on 1st approximation which is "ideal" conditions, in electronics you have 3 approximations, 1st, 2nd & 3rd....3rd being the most detailed and in depth.

-Tony Woodside-

these numbers are based on Don's values and he says he got resonance @ 10khz with 1kv at the cell, so these numbers show that he was getting resonance @ 10khz.

-Tony Woodside-

OK I mesured my coils tonight.All of my wire is 30 gauge .010" diameter.
Primary inductance= 200mH ,  200 turns
Secondary inductance= 3H , 1000 turns
Chokes inductance= 6.5H , 2000 turns
Ferroxcube U core,the largest one they make
again my LC resonance is @10khz at @ 1kv at the cell
 
Don

Hi Don,
     I was just working out the math based on your values and this is what I've come up with:
Applied Voltage to Primary 12v @ 10khz
Primary XL = 12.56k Ohms
Sec. XL = 188.4k Ohms
L1 XL = 408.2k Ohms
L2 XL = 408.2k Ohms

Primary current @ 10khz = 12v/12.56k Ohms = 955uA
Sec.+L1+L2 = 1004.8k Ohms, current @ 10khz = 1000v/1004.8k Ohms = 955uA

As you can see the Primary current is equal to the LC current (Prim.=Sec.), this is resonance. I didn't figure in the resistance of the capacitor because it is so low that it's negligible.

-Tony Woodside-

Just figured I would post this image that I drew up. It's the Pulse Triggering Circuit from the 8XA circuit.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/stanmeyer/PulseTrigger_Trace.png)

-Tony Woodside-
.: Water Fuel Cell Research :.
http://www.globalkast.com

Hey Don, nice to see ya back...Thanks for the new pic of the 5 coil VIC. Ive been looking over it and I see that Stan used either a MUR1550 or MUR1560 diode between the Sec. and L1...also looks like the green resistor is a 2w-5w 20 ohm or 120 ohm resistor maybe used to limit the current in the primary...the two 220 ohm resistors which Im about 90% sure where connected on to the pickup coil leads, am I right about this Don? Also another thing about this coil, in one of Stan's international patents he says this type coils has a Pri:Sec ratio of 1:30, with the primary being 200 turns and Secondary being 1:10, L1/L2 being 1:10 each...with that being said, that would make the secondary 2,000 turns and L1/L2 also 2,000 turns each...with a total for Sec+L1+L2 = 6,000 turns total (1:30). This should give u a Positive high voltage on the output of the L1 coil and a Negative high voltage on the output of the L2 coil....btw Don me & Spencer have about got the main circuit values all worked out, just need to figure out a couple more resistor and capacitor values, but we have the IC's all down :-)

-Tony Woodside-

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I also got a motor out of my cloths washing machine... It seemed to be broken but were only one wire inside the motor that was broken, i think that i fixed it up.. this one runs on 110v and i believe is about 300 watts....


I will use this to turn the alternator for some tests...


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I made some calculations and found that 62uh with a 15uf capacitors would give +-5000 hz resonance....

Thats a pretty high capacitance as far as WFC is concerned and to get that capacitance with a tube set with 1/2" and 3/4" tubes, the length would have to be 1368 meters or 4488 feet.

Single diode with two chokes? Are you referring to Stan's LC circuit? I know in his setup the diode is very important, with out it you wont get high voltages to you cell. I've tested this with my setup. I applied 20V to my primary and pulsed it with a 5V pulse via a 2N3055 transistor and I got 280V out of my transformer. I made my transformer to Stan's specs of 200 wraps on the primary, 600 wraps for the secondary and 100 bifilar turns for my chokes all wound on a single core. Without the diode I only get around 40V out and with the diode I get 280V out. It also depends on which end of your primary is connected to the variable DC voltage and which end is connected to the pulsing.

yea I'm talking about pulsed DC here...I figured you would know that by me say "Digital" circuit. AC is analog and digital is discrete or ON and OFF such as pulses.

its not hard to get higher frequencies by using lower frequencies. If you know anything about digital electronics you know what I'm talking about here. Just take two frequency generators and use logical IC's. Like for instance take one frequency of 620Hz and OR it with a 630Hz frequency  and you can get frequencies up into the kilohertz range...vary simple. The reason for this is because the two frequencies will overlap at some point and the OR gates output will contain higher frequencies than what is being applied. Just look at the Truth Table for the OR gate.
ex.
A + B = X
0    0    0
0    1    1
1    0    1
1    1    1

That's what the OR gates Truth Table looks like, 0 = low and 1 = high
Also the chokes will act as frequency multipliers depending on the value of the inductor, I've tested this for myself and by applying low frequencies across 10mH inductors I've got frequencies over 100kHz.

-Tony-
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here's a simulation of the circuits I made to replicate these waveforms 

I know for a fact the Stan's system produced an AC type waveform...Ive seen the actual waveform that Stan was making with his pulsing system.  I would share a picture of this waveform, but I cant at this time, maybe sometime later in the future 

You dont think thats what he was doing? I know what Im talking about here, Im an electronics engineer, what about you?

AC Electrolysis is very possible, what do  you think Stan Meyer's was doing!!!  He used a digital circuit to produce an AC waveform across the WFC.  That's the reason his chokes where connected 180 degrees apart from the cell, so that it would produce an AC output.

-Tony Woodside-

yeah I have it on my website, here the link

Yes this is possible, if you read Henry Puharich's unpublished book he talks about this. This is what his water splitter was all about. To learn more on this process google "magic-sandwich pulse sequence", "“time-reversal” pulse sequences" and "Spin Temperature". It's very interesting.

-Tony Woodside-

yes, this VIC coil was used only in the injector setup. At resonance if should put out as Meyer states 20kv - 40kv and even higher.