ok this is my theory on the purpose of the Gate pulse. When you have the depletion layer form on both electrodes, it will get larger and larger as the voltage increases. At some point the voltage will make the depletion layer large enough that the two will meet and cause a bridge between the two electrodes. This will cause a dead short condition and current will flow and voltage will drop and you will have a loss of resonance. So this is where the gate comes into play, it limits the depletion layer from getting too big and causing the bridge between the two electrodes. The B+ & B- depletion layers cause the stripping of the electrons and when the gates switch off, the atoms will link back up as diatomic hydrogen.
The antibonding (top) molecular orbitals of the H2 molecule. (out of phase orbit) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/H2OrbitalsAnimation.gif)
Patents protect the function and process, copyrights protect the design layout...many, if not all, of Stan's patents have expired. There are many ways of getting around these copyrights. If you just change one aspect of the system, then you aren't violating the copyrights ;-)
You will still have the pulling force, the depletion layer will act as a barrier between the Water and Plate surface. So you will have a B+ field and a B- field on the surface of the plates. With out this depletion layer forming, you will have a dead short condition and current will flow and voltage will drop. The gate pulse acts as a voltage limiter so that you don't have arcing when breakdown occurs.
If you look at the cell as a NP device, such as a diode in reverse bias, the following will take place.
When contact is made, electrons can lower their energy by flowing from the semiconductor conduction band into the metal. The resulting build-up of charge on the metal-semiconductor interface causes a deformation of the band structure. This continues until the chemical potential in the semiconductor reaches equilibrium with the Fermi energy of the metal. The deformed band structure forms a potential barrier which electrons must overcome in order to flow from the semiconductor into the metal. In the reverse bias situation, the potential barrier is much greater and the depletion region larger. As a result, very little current flows and voltage will build up until dielectric breakdown occurs!
Yea see I've had this happen in my 8XA setup. The only difference between my setup and Stan's setup is he had the variable gap with low inductance coils and mine has a fixed gap with high induction coils so to balance the difference. Now my biggest feat is to get the same reaction to take place with the VIC circuit & 5-VIC transformer!
Yea when I saw your post the other day it made me think back to what Stephen Meyer said in the interview. I remember back last year after listening to all the interviews, I mentioned this to my friends Patrik & Spencer. I think I might have mentioned it on here also, can't really remember, but this fits in the Meyer system pretty good!
Hi, With the depletion layer and the musings that a cell can be like a transistor, is it possible that the type/grade of S/S used makes a substantial effect on the sought depletion layer.?
Yea thats what its looking like! This might be the key to the operation of this system
Yea the simple circuit that used to make the signal above is made by using two input square waves, a gate pulse and the resonant pulse. Stan made the polarity switching take place on the secondary side of the transformer. In my circuit I'm making the polarity switch on the primary side of the transformer, it should give the same results.
I built a circuit back last year that mimics the Steam Resonator circuit. Here's what the signal looked like at the plates. (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/steam_resonator_pulse.jpg)
I saw in earlier posts where you guys where talking about the FWB rectifier and was thinking that he was using AC as the input. It looks like he was using the FWB with the pulsed DC, he just used this instead of using basic diodes to send the signal to the primary coil. From what I have researched is that the switching of the signals polarity applied to the plates act just like AC. You can test this by connecting 120v AC to you cell and it will cause the water to heat up very fast. Stan's used pulsed DC to accomplish the same feat. It takes less than 1A to heat water up from room temp. to over 220*F. I've tested and done this, in less than 3 mins the was temp. went from room temp. to 220*F.
The permeability of the cores I'm using is 2000 and the inductance measurements with the same amount of wire as Stan's coils give me at least twice the inductance. Don's showed inductance measurements of 1263mH @ around 75 ohms for L1, with the 2000 perm. cores I'm getting measurements around 2500mH @ around 75 ohms for L1. So as you can see my perm. is too high and thats why Im thinking it should be around 1000. With powder Iron cores Im get an inductance of 350mH, which is too low.
Yea the core material in the images look like Ferrite to me also and based on the inductance measurements it leads me to think that it has a permeability around 1000. In Stan's U.S. Patent #5,149,407 (page 19 section 6, line 6) says you can use M27 iron cores for the 5 coil VIC transformer.
Yea the cell can act like a diode in a way. I discovered this a while back. You can take a test meter and set it to the "Tone" setting which is used to test a short connection in a circuit. Depending on which lead you connect it to, you will get a "Tone" while connected in one configuration while if you connect it the opposite way you not get a "Tone". This shows that the cell can act as a diode in rectifying the signal and can conduct in one direction. Has anybody else tested this?
In Stan's papers he says to use M27 for the cores and this also goes for the 5 VIC transformer. So if you can get a ferrite core made, just use M27 laminates for the core.
If I'm right about the polarization, once you tune into the dielectric properties the cell will act just like a polarized capacitor. This is where the 180* phase shift will come into play and you will see the frequency doubling and voltage doubling occurring. What I mean by this is that when the water is polarized and you get the 180* phase shift, each positive voltage pulse from each phase will be seen on the polarized positive side of the cell and you should also see the negative voltage pulses on the other side of the cell. From tests that I have done using my 5 VIC transformer along with a real capacitor and the 180* phase shift, I was able to build up a high voltage potential over over 1.5kv.
If I remember right the scaled down 6-1 coil had a ratio of around 10:1
The plates are 0.3mm and they should be grain oriented steel. Yea I had some trouble soldering the wire but I ended up wrapping the wire around my terminals and was able to get the solder to hold the wire in place. I guess SS wire doesnt like to be soldered lol. Yea in Stan's docs he says for the injector setup you would need frequencies up to 50kHz.
Yea I built a scaled down version of the (6-1) injector VIC transformer and I was getting over 2kv using a real 1nF capacitor in place of the cell. Well I would connect it to a single tube cell, the voltage would drop into the mV range. This was due to a dead short condition existing in the cell. The inductance measurements of the scaled down VIC transformer's chokes where around 8.88H each fully assembled, but with the outer secondary bobbin removed, they would measure 18H each. (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/VicCoil_Bobbin_1.jpg)
I'm currently constructing a scaled size model of the 6-1 VIC Transformer for testing. In this one I am using 430 FR SS wire. The chokes measure around 11.7k ohms each. (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/S.Meyer_6-1_VIC_Coil.jpg)
Ps Alex petty claims to have a proof of concept set up. It's interesting and it is proof of concept in my opinion. What I don't understand is what the difference is about his set up or even in my own set up. I ordered a lot of testing equipment so hopefully I will be able to show you guys some sound data soon
Are you referring to the youtube video where he's using a 9v battery? If so, I think his setup is doing basic electrolysis due to the cell having a pathway to ground via the transistor/FET. He has no chokes and only a coil in parallel with the cell. You can take a 9v battery and produce just as much HHO, if not more, as he is in the video.
