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Another method of increasing lawn mower high voltage is to add a series spark gap in line with the spark plug. The plug in air gap of 1mm is about 3KV. Under compression of Briggs engine , that would be multiplied by about 5 as 15KV. The compression ratio is 5.8 to 1, as squeezing more air into smaller space. The spark plug will not increase in volts after compression if the load stays the same. The 2 spark gap voltages will add together, making the ignition coil (Magnetron) raise up to a higher level !  This higher ignition volts can THEN  be used with the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly to be able to get a higher crossover leakage induction voltage that would be in series with the main amps line, with the low volts, going to spark plug. The electrolyte salt water at plug gap needs a higher volts  (100-200v) to be able to force 6-7 amps THROUGH the spark plug . The water solution at the spark plug gap is NOT zero ohms, and is about 22 ohms.   Formula E needed voltage = R X I.  ( Electrolysis of water at engine spark plug to get sufficient Hydrogen to run engine at idle speed at a lower power level.)  Nathren's earlier  web forum had various tech data that was gleaned before it shut down.
The original Magnetron engine coil was changed to a DUAL cable ignition type that was for a 2cyl Briggs engine, and used on my Briggs 1 cyl 12HP.  That one has a complete separate secondary.  (Briggs 2 spark plug engines can  have both single and double Magnetrons) This way the neg cable can go to ground and the +pos cable goes to spark plug. This is for using a positive type spark. The other 2 methods of positive spark have a large loss of output voltage due to being an Autotransformer type with prim as part of the sec side. I also super glued on several thin 20mm length neodymium magnets on the flywheel magnet to get stronger output high voltage. I also added ring type neodymium magnet on spark plug so as there is a guaranteed magnetic field at plug tips. Currently reworking the homemade vacuum box for spark processor as diode, L coil 1.5Mh , 221PF 30kv capacitor, and Tesla magnetic spark gap with N + S button neodymium magnets opposite Tesla type carbon and aluminum electrodes gaped about 5mm.. This is used in conjunction with the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly so there is the required accessory spark gap on lawn mower engine. Engine under compression has higher voltage needed than in air. Therefore the protection series diode bank needs to be about 25-30KV fast diodes capable of 6 amps minimum. The S1r coils have insulated Magnet wire #12 gauge , that is acted upon by amps magnetic field coils over it so as the spark time is extended from 0-neg 34degrees late timing. (See design method on internet images and the one called Megatran.

The 1978 V8 that ran on water in carb had the HEI ignition coil that's mounted in top of distributor switched around so as the 2 wires on primary side was set for POSITIVE high v. output from ignition coil. They said about 24000volts at 6-7 amps through spark plug needed. The generated water vapor pressure along with hydrogen gas electrolysis kept engine self running and then got 18miles per gallon with water in tank. The original car engine tests in Georgia 2005 - on, used this following circuit that was part of the dual coil relays in vacuum per cylinder.  Diode half wave DC for about 45 volts DC to junction to  l inductor about 1.5Millihenty, to joint of hi v. input to L  coil inductor 1.5Mh to diode to spark plug. There was a bypass diode at 1st junction over to spark plug. Wire went from exact bottom of spark plug back to diode to return line to power supply inverter. 400W 110v AC , 60cycles, type called power on board.The 60 cycles relays were in vacuum + extra diodes mounted on outside screw terminals. I made the processor box to replace THE UNAVAILABLE RELAYS. The 3 technicians back then called them "The Magic Relays", since other replacements did not wok, or were not efficient to run engine smoothly. They also found out that EGR engines ran way better, due to the recycled Nitrogen from the exhaust. I studied the now closed website. Questions?
Amazing stories back issue magazine Sept 1946 . make all the Hydrogen you want with small tesla coil , preset at 1.3Mhtz frequency into electrodes chamber of steam. . Vibrations break up the Bonds. Man ran his prop plane engine during 1940's. Waste exhaust heat boils water. Can use 12v DC diesel engine glow plug as a miniature electric heating element temporarily. Brase brass bushing to heat exchanger housing pipe.
Conversion Nitrogen Hydroxide  fuel --     You Tube video    High voltage screen grid in air cleaner hooked to  12v air pump going into water cell electrolysis with electrolyte ions flow. Air is 78% Nitrogen gas.

         
Archie Blue US Patent --  4,124,463     (He fills up at a faucet instead of a gas pump) Water power, and The Car That Runs On water- old newspaper articles.

A very long time ago I sold some 58 page folders of hydrogen related data that was collected + old newspaper reprints on water engines conversions called --Secrets Of Water Fuel And How They Work. I only sold 23 copies. Nobody is interested in alternate energy. They just love buying gasoline and fuel oil and paying those huge electric bills! Just because you are involved in certain subject matter, doesn't mean most other people are interested.
I also sold many booklets on how, many methods,  to reduce home electric bill by 50%. After a while, I tried it myself. - And yes it did.After several years the power company trucks showed up and changed everyone's outside meter reader. This quit the people who were attaching magnets to stop the revolving magnetic disc. It is now aluminum alloy.
If you were following my messages earlier, I said the sizing of original spoked electrodes anode with area dimensions , came from taking the Patent cell drawing  to an office copying machine with ruler, and doing successive enlargements , so as the TR2 metal core was exact 3/4", as stated in Patent". This way the other dimensions can be revealed. Are you building a cell+ power supply also?

What's important is the "time line"-  Speed of charging as faster than the discharging frequency of capacitor discharges. 51Khz full wave DC ripple frequency has period 1/F. It takes 2 pulses to fully recharge cap in between discharges. Each discharge of Cap is same, - .054Watt. Times 16,700 cycles for separate discharging oscillator to get the 900 Peak watts. Use scientific calculator with formulas. There has to be a "window" of time microseconds after the pulse stops, for the available off time , so as complete recharges happen for 330vDC. A feedback loop wiring and zeners + optocoupler as hooked back to the Master IC, SG3525 keeps voltage regulated, so as parts don't burn out with over voltage. 23.7usec cap stops through diode of primary, , with difference to 60 useconds of the discharge oscillator available off time. The 22 amps pulse is under 30useconds and then off to the 60usecs. This is reflected to the TR2 secondary side as POSITIVE DC pulse with off time in the water. 1/4 wavelength is used in formula for cap discharge time as primary has diode. The charging section at other end has about 11.3 uhenry inductor and series diode also , so as just 330 volts is applied and not 660v. .Charge time was 10.6 microseconds in 1/2 wavelength. Separate digital DISCHARGE oscillator  module set duty cycle about 30 microseconds. You can also send short questions to Grok AI, but need to repeat with different wording so as a better reply is made. . A computer cannot think, just relay tech data that's all ready out there.
The Horvath water cell is highly conductive because of using the BEST  potassium hydroxide solution, over other types. The transformer PEAK pulse amps of about 200A , 900watts, is about 100amps average current injected into solution with off time, so as the battery power draw is about 450 Watts.The 10 to one step down ratio to secondary side automatically raises up the amps. The cell accepts this and the 4 efficiency improvements are in the cell itself. The SIZE of electrodes is related to the amount of voltage needed. The S1R9A9M9 Georgia spark plug electrolysis of tiny electrodes required about 100volts pressure due to the way reduced area of electrodes. Horvath efficiency improvements all at same time as, -- spoked  directed ions flow electrodes, heat applied to solution, magnetic field enhancement of ions flow, and pulsed on + off DC - not straight DC. (release of stuck ions during off time pulses) .    Archie Blue Patent used forced neutral unpolarized air injected into bottom of cell doing "clean sweep stuck ions".
Just finishing up the built power supply for the Horvath Patent Hydrogen Generator.  It includes the efficiency methods added , as in the Patent. 900W peak pulses into Primary TR2 transformer for positive DC, #12gauge magnet wire,  #6 gauge cable for secondary side.  50% duty cycle with off time , for the cell to be built later. Pulsing on + off dc capacitor pulses at 16.7khz, N + S magnetic fields to speed ions transport, and 12 spoked / flutes/ ribs, as roughened with machined knurling. US Patent  # 3980053. More modern components were used to replace technology of mid 1970's. Battery power draw as about 450 watts as due to the off time , designed in, for  the later used aquarium water cell  .Is there anyone interested in this method self powered engine on Hydrogen. I have Briggs one cyl and Geo Metro 3 cyl engine on engine stand. Questions?
Patent 3980053 Hydrogen generator was studied by me in great depth, quite a while back in time.  I had way earlier, typed out a 2  page corrections of minor errors and items involved , not necessary to add to car engine to run on hydrogen fuel . Fuel upon demand, no gaseous storage. Things were printed as too expensive or particular design manufacturing, to detour others from duplicating the system. I was already aware of these common inclusions in a $5000 Patent. This letter is to inform you of my recent solution to a section of Patent data PROBLEM that was missed by me earlier, as wrong on purpose AND DESIGNED IN,,, the Patent literature. I am presently building the Horvath power supply and water cell tank for duplication, as an average individual would do it without the up above parts/ designs not necessary, but including all of the important EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS as Horvath did. This project was on my mind for years, and quite similar to a beefed up Capacitor Discharge Ignition circuit, as used for powering an improved efficiency Electrolysis cell. He also took data from previous Patents of theirs and incorporated them in his design. It's really the amount of fuel generated, as important, not the efficiency of a power supply!

Here we go:-- A pulse energy into coil has a reverse flow back. The secondary side coil of a transformer follows the primary method the same, except for a ratio change of turns. There can be 60cycles or 20,000 cycles frequency or higher. In general, iron lamination sheets are used for lower frequency range, while Ferrite is on high frequency. As frequency increases, less turns are necessary on primary side. It makes it easier to wind on core. The Patent was correct in that on + off time is required for cell plates, as about/around 50% duty cycle, on the SECONDARY side transformer. This allows the stuck polarized ions to release and rise up in the solution. Horvath said to use iron laminations for TR2, as the secondary side receives what's called Positive Critical wave form as seen on Scope.( High frequency used on low frequency type core.) This was to get a DC pulse for making Hydrogen gas and WITHOUT A Rectifier which would cause loss of 40-70 Watts heat loss, reducing efficiency, the rectifier forward volts drop loss times the current 200amps. This inclusion in Patent was INTENTIONAL TO DETOUR others from duplicating the design as printed. NOT POSSIBLE to get sufficient Inductance in 100-300 microhenry range, at LOW turns,  as necessary with the associated capacitor, on iron laminations!!! Ferrite must be used for way higher inductance on low number to turns to be able to get 10:1 ratio for 22A going to 200 A, with heavy battery cable low turns secondary side of transformer.

All you have to do is put fast recovery high frequency diodes/ rectifier on primary side to stop the reverse wave form, on both sides!

The secondary side sees the same thing!!! I have Primary side  heatsink, with fast recovery stud diode as 1N3913 as 400v DC + 30amps (cathode stud) .
Secondary has wind of #6 gauge cable . The 2 ends hook to  TWO  short #6 ends coming from out side of tank using COPPER cable joint connector with large copper screw.

 My rectangle aquarium tank was made with 3/8" thick plates. Presently ordering #6 red cable and gauges. The separate plastic water safety container will have pop off rubber plug, microswitch shuts off oscillator capacitor ground connection, while the flashback arrester is hand made with brass tube and brass wool, and SS screens. KOH is hard to find. Water solution is done by weight of water + chemical together, as 25% and 75% for total weight solution together. You weight the tank with plates first, then determine water level and final total weight minus tank to get final water only with interior displacemrnt..  (Volume + weight will change in final solution to get 25%) See GrokAI.com . 

Past dc to ac Inverters had primary extra feedback wind , so as unit shuts down during SCR shorting with saturation of core. (self protection). The modern China 1000W Inverter has IC driven oscillator + needs new and different protection from burn out, during main MOSFET switch operation with it's separate gate oscillator. The method is to charge CDI capacitor through another MOSFET.  . Diode at capacitor then does the discharge through the main Mosfet to primary. and then other one way diode. The resistor going to gate of first Q, is ALSO in series with Drain of main MOSFET, so as NO SHORT.  First Q shuts off during cap discharge. Can also see book pages to see circuit done with earlier Bipolar transistor. and SCR. Add on circuit  was used earlier to raise up frequency of firing lasers. Build Your Own Laser, Phaser, Ion ray gun, And Other working space Age Projects. pages 33-36. Great stuff!  I have 3 copies.
Horvath Patent Math for designing circuit for hydrogen generator, -- finally has been figured out!! . requires PULSE PEAK input 900w  into primary for 22A 2uf capacitor discharges at 10khz. Use old style scientific calculator for the formulas. I just went through it.  Secondary of TR2 has output diode, so as there being an on + off time for release of stuck ions from plates. I have flat nickel coated plates with flutes, knurled, with N + S magnets on back side. 3/8" acrylic plastic box, 400mesh nylon screen. The capacitor is 2uf as induction stove range type polypropylene capacitor high frequency type. .P type Mosfet paralleled as used for high side switching direct to spark plug, or N channel for regular use as applied to water cell. POH is 25% solution by weight,  meaning gallon is from both together same time -not gallon input water. .22 pulse amps becomes 200 amps pulse to plates. fast recovery heavy amp rectifier, or Horvath just used 3/4" iron laminations block with no diode, to get the critical positive wave out. AS used on input high frequency . China sells open board 1000 watts inverter with option of 330v terminals (to get about 600watts necessary) Can wind your own 2 transformers TR1 + TR, and can build your own switching inverter. L primary = C / I squared divided by E squared.  I = E X square root C / L.   Magnet wire as gauge # circular mills = 750 X I X duty cycle from wires chart. 10khz, .09joules each, 22A peak pulses, 371uh primary, 900w, 2uf- as (2) 4uf in series because the overall volts rating is needed., #16 #18 gauge primary, 2gauge secondary, Ratio 10:1 turns, duty cycle secondary .5 , water cell receives 450 Watts. Peak amps or watts is not average watts over the period time, .etc.

Grok  AI

(Q) What is average power in watts drawn from input 12v battery required for 900 PEAK pulse watts CDI capacitor into transformer with secondary diode and 50% on time only? Does this assume 450 watts average power to load

(A) To determine the average power drawn from a 12 V battery to supply a CDI (Capacitor Discharge Ignition) system delivering 900 W peak pulse power into a transformer’s primary, with a 50% duty cycle (50% on-time) and a diode on the secondary, and to confirm if this results in 450 W average power to the load, let’s analyze step-by-step.
Key Parameters:

    Peak pulse power: 900 W into the primary during the on-time.
    Duty cycle: 50% (0.5), meaning the power is delivered for half the cycle.
    Battery voltage: 12 V (DC).
    Secondary side: Has a diode, delivering power to the load.
    Question: What is the average power drawn from the battery, and does this setup imply 450 W average power to the load?

Step-by-Step Analysis:
1. Average Power to the Load:

    The primary side delivers 900 W peak power during the 50% on-time. For a pulse transformer, the instantaneous power delivered to the primary is transferred to the secondary (assuming an ideal transformer with no losses).
    The average power delivered to the load on the secondary side is:
    Pavg, load=Ppeak×D=900×0.5=450 W.
    Pavg, load​=Ppeak​×D=900×0.5=450W.
    This confirms that, in an ideal system, the average power delivered to the load is indeed 450 W. The presence of the diode ensures unidirectional current to the load during the on-time, consistent with the 50% duty cycle.

2. Average Power Drawn from the Battery:

    In an ideal system (100% efficiency), the average power drawn from the battery equals the average power delivered to the load, as energy is conserved. Thus:
    Pavg, input=Pavg, load=450 W.
    Pavg, input​=Pavg, load​=450W.
    The CDI system stores energy in a capacitor during the off-time and discharges it into the primary during the on-time to achieve the 900 W peak power. The battery supplies a steady average power to charge the capacitor over the full cycle.

3. Average Current from the 12 V Battery:

    The average power drawn from the battery is:
    Pavg, input=V×Iavg.
    Pavg, input​=V×Iavg​.
    Given V=12 VV=12V and Pavg, input=450 WPavg, input​=450W, the average current is:
    Iavg=Pavg, inputV=45012=37.5 A.
    Iavg​=VPavg, input​​=12450​=37.5A.
    Thus, the battery supplies an average current of 37.5 A to provide 450 W average power, which supports the 900 W peak power during the 50% on-time.

4. Real-World Considerations:

    Real CDI systems have losses due to:
        Transformer inefficiencies (core losses, winding resistance).
        Diode forward voltage drop (typically 0.7–1 V for a standard diode, reducing output power).
        Capacitor charging/discharging inefficiencies.
        Switching losses in the CDI circuit.
    Assuming a typical efficiency of 80% (a reasonable estimate for CDI systems), the input power required to deliver 450 W to the load is:
    Pavg, input=Pavg, loadη=4500.8=562.5 W.
    Pavg, input​=ηPavg, load​​=0.8450​=562.5W.
    The average current from the 12 V battery becomes:
    Iavg=562.512≈46.9 A.
    Iavg​=12562.5​≈46.9A.
    The average power drawn from the battery is thus approximately 562.5 W with 80% efficiency.

5. Answering the Questions:

    Average power drawn from the 12 V battery:
        Ideal case (100% efficiency): 450 W.
        Realistic case (80% efficiency): ~562.5 W.
    Does this assume 450 W average power to the load?:
        Yes, the setup with 900 W peak power and a 50% duty cycle inherently results in 450 W average power to the load in an ideal system, as calculated (900×0.5=450 W900×0.5=450W). This is consistent with the transformer transferring 900 W peak power during the on-time, averaging to 450 W over the full cycle.

Final Answer:

    The average power drawn from the 12 V battery is 450 W in an ideal system, or approximately 562.5 W with 80% efficiency (requiring ~46.9 A average current).
    Yes, this setup assumes 450 W average power delivered to the load, as the 900 W peak power with a 50% duty cycle naturally results in 450 W average power in an ideal transformer system.
Horvath Patent saves even more energy!
The high wattage CDI power supply, 2nd transformer Tr2 as inside the water cell, had no rectifier on secondary side output wanted. The waste heat was not desired by use of a rectifier as it was running on 200amps  current. Energy was then conserved, and Tr2 transformer had been changed to iron laminations instead of Ferrite material normally for high frequency. It's use allowed for what is expressed as a positive + pulse output as DC , due to the formation of a degenerated, type, of Critical Positive Wave , as seen on oscilloscope. Brilliant!. Taken all together, the electronic circuit was successful, and 2nd similar CDI Patent was issued as final output high voltage type, and 3rd Horvath Patent issued using Radiation Magnetron tube in water cell. That one was shown in the Ford Fairlane V8 engine, back in those days.
Just more tech data.-  US Patent 3980053 contains parts list I went over carefully. There are a few proofreading mistakes and a couple parts in parts list were wrong. The Author didn't want the unit duplicated, so as some electronic parts were changed. The main UJT oscillator should be R1 Pot 25Kohm , capacitor as .006uf, R2 as 100ohm. This will give proper frequencies for operation of electrolysis circuit at 10khtz. The SCR switch is old style , mostly discontinued, and would be replaced by MOSFET on heat sink. Fast repeating DC pulses to cell is way better than straight DC for gases evolution of Hydrogen.Time is there for stuck ions to release, making faster operation. Any one interested should study the online Patent. Final output of 30volts + 200 pulse amps is sufficient for making free fuel. The approx 40 amp battery draw at 12v is replaced by standard alternator. Beefed up 450 Watts , instead of low watts CDI for an ignition coil.The magnetic field pulses also increases efficiency. Potassium Hydroxide as electrolyte allows passage of heavy current to water cell. I may replicate this also, as side project, as used at LOWERED output level, to fire just single spark plug as no separate cell, in engine.

(By the way, Archie Blue, engineer from new Zealand with Patent, also ran 2   4cyl cars on water using his special vertical cell of staggerd, perforated discs and side electrodes. Small air pimp input from cell bottom, bubbled upward, allowed the neutral air to CLEAN SWEEP the stuck ions from the thin aluminum discs. Improved Hydrogen Gas Generator efficiency. Seek and ye shall find.)
The radiation  Radiolysis Magnetron glass tube and permanent magnets schematic circuit for Mr. Horvath Patent  4107008 , 1978, is regarding the Ford V8 Fairlane conversion of water to hydrogen gas. The drawings, schematic diagram , and operation means description is there. This is what  was used. (Not nuclear Fusion apparatus which was just said for the non technical public + wild advertising) This was an update 50%  efficiency improvement over his original, earlier,  Radyolysis design, 30,000v as Patent 3954592  1976..
I just preferred his  earlier design using low voltage and pulse 200 pulse amps to small water cell.  Patent 3954592 was the change of transformer TR2 to high voltage output 30kv, instead of low voltage, the Patent 3980053 design  that I personally liked.
I took measurement from Patent, then enlarged photo with photocopier to get the actual size of the cell , based on dimensions of laminations center bar transformer TR2 core.  .The iron laminations was used of course,on the input fast high frequency ,  to be able to get higher quality DC from pulse without using heat wasting large rectifier diode.
The Nuclear fusion conversion conversation in video was wrong. That's not what it was . Just greatly improved Radiolysis of water to hydrogen + oxygen gas fuel method #3. . The#1 and #2  low + high volts designs were not shown.

Horvath had 3 established Patents on high efficiency made hydrogen gas electrical circuits. One was Magnetron glass radiation tube in water cell center. The other two were low volts out and high volts out to water cell . Two were VERY similar to your well known CDI that fires the ignition coil primary side. He beefed it up for 450Watts for the cell, while the alternator recharges battery , about 40 amps. He added efficiency measures to cell such as magnetic field and pulse flowing ions. 200A pulses to electrolysis cell at 30v DC. About 45% duty cycle cell. Designed in high frequency put to low frequency iron laminations core transformer TR2 , so as no diode needed, - called positive Critical  Wave Form. READ the Patent  on line and print it out for study later. Things were added not necessary so as to discourage others from duplication such as special machined carburetor, and separation screens for gases. The old style SCR switch is now replaced with MOSFET. The Inverter transistors as Bipolar type is replaced with Mosfet. The type Inverter is now changed to the "IC driven " type for on+ off switching of current 50% duty cycle. The oscillator frequency is adjustable which gives the wattage wanted. Three cars were converted to water, 6yl, and( 2) 4cyl engines. Hydrogen gas is the fuel of our future . Read # 3980053   1976     . Old electrical parts list was included.
It is also possible that the manuscript submitted to Patent office by Horvath was published as is. This would include the 2 pages of proofreading errors I had found, INCLUDED as designed in, to deter the commoners, from any duplication. Quality technicians and Engineers can follow the write-up and fully understand the flow of details. I said the device was used for improved efficiency of electrolysis of water to hydrogen. The Patent said so. The complete explanation STEP BY STEP is in the Patent write up with a parts list. The 2 transformers in circuit were hand assembled as pertinent only for that circuit. The Inverter is NOT similar to the old style methodology, due to the type of reversed rectification used. The DIRECTED magnetic field pulses SPEED UP the ions across the water gap of spoked electrodes. The PULSING METHOD of DC to the electrodes promotes the charged ions stuck to surfaces to be immediately released, and flow upward, better than straight DC. ( THE Archie Blue Patent uses small pumped in air that does a CLEAN SWEEP of ions off of the aluminum perforated stack of discs electrodes in vertical cell. His 3 cars ran on water with 40amp battery draw.) The heat from laminations heats the water to speed up electrolysis. Instant generation of fuel gases as H+H+ O-- ionized and not H2+O2, contains higher energy content If FIRED right away in engine. You did not read / study US Patent 3980053 for free Internet on line, to grasp the significance of this invention. A firm does not expend $5000 for attorney fees to process Patent application without substantial merit. Engineer Horvath's first 2 patents related were similar but differed as to final output of either low voltage or high voltage. His last Patent referred to Magnetron radiation tube in water cell center ALSO delivering sufficient hydrogen fuel. The final take on this overall, is that several special parts as described are not really necessary, and are there just to deter people from trying to duplicate the system. His self running car at 40 amps power draw, was public demonstrated several times and in local newspaper New Zealand.
An optional method of making HORVATH TYPE magnetic spoked electrodes for use with PULSED magnetic system, could be using a section of steel exhaust pipe with drilled holes around edge. Steel square rod would be sawed to several same lengths and screwed on to the pipe. Either the flutes need to be ground down on stone wheel with vise grips separately, so as somewhat pointed, or whole unit put together first and held against the grinder wheel. The electrode unit would then be sent out to machine shop for Nickel electroplating. The outer steel ring with vertical steel strips attached would be sent out the same time for plating. Also, a galvanize steel pipe nipple with end screw threads can have PVC screw caps fit on to hold transformer-- out of the water solution. I did knurling on my flat plates electrodes and flutes. The rough surface allows quicker release of gas ions in solution. Some guys use coarse sandpaper cross ways, as easier/cheaper method.  Just a few more notes I forgot to add..
The Horvath Patent shows how each stage works and gives part numbers, which today, can be superseded by more modern parts. A manufactured carb is not necessary and single barrel carb like the Carter, can be used with a side spud in jet, and aluminum adapter spacer under carb to mate to intake manifold. . The separation SS screens are not necessary. The output gases go through a mesh and then to a FAST check valve and on further to a safety water can with pop off cap. The second transformer TR2 has LAMINATIONS., not ferrite like TR1. The high frequency primary pulse of approx 22 Amp goes out as a CRITICAL POSITIVE DAMPED WAVE and without a diode on the SECONDARY side. The high frequency comes out and goes to a low efficiency low frequency core, and changes to a PLUS wave for DC without a diode. The center magnetic electrode was made in a machine shop using a FLYCUTTER tool on adjustable drilling machine..
The whole set up seemed too fancy for me, so years ago I looked into a cheaper, better way  of electrolysis cell construction. High temp gray PVC thick sheets cut to make NARROW rectangular box with 6 sides and removable top. Very narrow, just to fit in 2 magnetic, knurled plates with knurled strips screwed on for flutes. The set of STEEL plates with knurling and flutes was sent to machine shop for electroplating with NICKEL. Narrow working gap in exact center of cell and mounted with SS screws. Large, strong, flat  permanent magnets N + S on each side  taped on with duct tape. The magnetic field at flute tips face each other at cell center, and the water space in between. The float module mounts on end with spacer baffle. The needed adjustable vacuum switch is now $42, or can use several cheaper used ones from junk yard of foreign cars. Lift hoods, and look on inner fender or on firewall .Look for the screw adjustment and wire connectors to identify as proper ones. The duty cycle of oscillator was .006 The duty cycle of cell operating was .42.  1/F = Period of cycle. duty cycle is on time / period time. Duty cycle of Inverter stage 50% or .5. The use of old style SCR allows for automatic shut off for the next pulse. I believe it was a GE 35 amp, 600v and high frequency only. This type of design of cell uses static type magnetic fields - not pulsing field. You need scientific calculator, inductor test meter, and analog needle type multimeter to be able to measure high frequency volts. Practice with formula for the cap discharge into TR2 primary coil of transformer.   I pulse amps = E volts times square root of C farads divided by L Henries.    22A = 300 X square root of .000001 Farad / L.  L = 1 / .005377 = 186 times 10 to the minus 6th Henries or 186 microhenries of primary winding of proper gauge insulated magnet wire. Resonance frequency  LC = 1 / 6.28 times square root of L X C. Therefore, 1/2 of this is the positive waveform  or 42 microseconds as the discharge of C5 into primary inductance L. Pulse width cell on time is 42 microseconds out of 100 microseconds. 
To get a size of parts as in Patent, we knew the size of TR2 core. I put patent photo on adjustable photo copier machine, to get measurements of actual size of cell parts by various enlargements.
(Just the use of magnets can make hydrogen from water without wires or electricity!) You should already know this. If you don't, then write back.
You should study the Horvath US Patent - 1976 - 3980053 about adding magnetic field to magnetic electrodes for Hydrogen generation using 600watt capacitor Discharge Power supply at 10khz. 200amp pulses DC from critical positive wave as DC without rectifier. First transformer is ferrite core, second is laminations low frequency.
SPECULATION-- changed to narrow plastic box with exterior magnets with internal MAGNETIC TYPE SS plates with ribs facing each other's electrodes. Improved efficiency electrolysis as overunity, running  car engine on water tank. Plates and ribs have manually roughened  knurling and single barrel Carter used carburetor that has a spud in jet mounted at venturi point. - just like in the olden days of propane conversion of small engines. Machined aluminum adapter 1/8"  plate made to match manifold to carter carb.  (Special cast new carb not needed and gases separation screen not needed. Fuel upon demand going to safety water can and one way valve.!)
I studied the Horvath Patents for a long time,way back, and understand the circuits. A duplication does not need a new cast carburetor and machined spoked electrodes as in Patent. The Electrical circuit is just a beefed up capacitor discharge ignition for MAIN POWER, with improved efficiency electrolysis for hydrogen and oxygen at 40 amps, 450 watts battery draw. The spark plugs are changed to zero ohms racing type or just get Champion brand with same reach threads and remove resistor from top, and replace with bit of #12  copper wire segment. The gases flow from water safety can to a "spud in jet" as fitting on side of old 1 barrel carburetor at the venturi point. This beveled copper tube + farrow seal cap was also used on small engines on propane conversion without the expensive type kit purchase. Read Patent  3980053, then I can answer you about how it works. A 1994 Chevy Geo Metro 3 cylinder engine with fuel system injector replaced with a used, single barrel Carter carburetor would suffice. You make an aluminum plate adapter. It has a distributor that can be adjusted for timing. The Patent transformer core size was given, so as I had enlarged photo on copy machine to get size of other parts.Substitutes can be used when ordering parts as long as the necessary design systems are included. The on time of current pulses was 42 microseconds out of 100..  1 / F = Period of frequency.10khz = 100 microseconds time. The duty cycle of oscillator was .006. 22 amps cap discharge = 300V DC X  square root of 1microfarad / 185 microhenries coil of TR2 primary.. Frequency of pulses to SCR was 10,000 cycles. Tr1 FERRITE type transformer charges up the capacitor to 300v AC.  Diodes added for full wave DC..Main capacitor HAS TO BE ONLY polypropylene 1MFD AT 1000 VOLTS DC type as LOW esr.  The 22 was amps into primary of TR2. The secondary side was 10:1 ratio. The fast switch SCR is only the high frequency type like a GE model 35 amp. The reverse pulse on the primary side circuit of TR2 shuts off SCR inbetween pulses automatically. The 200A cell pulses creates more Hydrogen with the aid of magnetic field.The TR2 secondary uses NO DIODE RECTIFIER as the pulses ARE called "critical positive wave" with core as laminations, for the high frequency , instead of ferrite. This causes degraded pulse wave as positive DC. Get laminations from take apart microwave old transformer. You would build NARROW rectangle box of high temperature Gray pvc plates. . Two  SS magnetic type plates and metal strips to add to each for spokes. The large Alnico or small multiple STRONG Neodymium magnets get taped to outside of box. N + S on opposite sides box.  The cover gets holes for various brass fittings. Cut out rectangle rubber seal and drilled + tapped  holes for cover screws.Magnetic  Field is between the electrode strip gaps under water. The Oxygen and Hydrogen gaseous bubbles rise up and transfer to special brass wool type fast one way valve before entering the safety water can. Water cell should use baking soda with distilled water, so as no cleaning of container minerals build up. The Metro engine compartment is LARGE and has plenty room to work. Engine could also be put on engine stand, but you would need the Bell housing because the starter motor mounts there.. The car called Geo Metro XFI model with 3cyl did get the highest gas mileage of any car- 52MPG. In Canada it was called the Firefly. Don't forget to buy test meters such as LCR tester. The Analog type face + needle multimeters will measure volts at high frequency, not digital. Float valve attached to cover and small DC water pump, white plastic plug in breadboard for oscillator, ect, you get the idea. I have the sheet of proof reading corrections from poor Patent examiner mistakes.

The Haunted Keely Work Building 1898

The Dec 1898 workmen hired to take apart the Keely workshop walls + flooring came across the hidden large steel sphere pressure tank. When whacking it with hammer, weird noises emanated from all over the building as the brass tubing in walls + floor were vibrating. The scared workmen ran out and quit because of ghosts!. New workers had to be hired. (Scientific American magazine)
The Keely Hydro Pneumatic vacuu motor was self running , performing work during demonstrations. Way later on, the new owner , with help from engineer,compared the brass mechanism with the original Patent application workings, taking it apart, , and found that they matched. Keely reissue of Patent application with the missing investor's names was not done. See model on You tube, and the documentation. Keely did have some other devices that actually worked , such as the high lift water pump flaps unit, wall and quartz pulverizer, higher quality microscope , hydrogen generator, and US Patent on dual use flywheel that I saw in city library . There was late 1800's signed documents made of visitors present, after a Keely demonstration of gravity control of heavy steel unit.
Another worker in Africa many years later,duplicated the hydraulic water motor. The modern history books and magazines only mention the fraud involved of some displays that were upstairs second floor Philadelphia workshop.

Mr. Pond of S.V.P., has on line catalog of reprinted original documents about Keely's work for purchase.