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How to increase number of turns for same value magnetic field strength 12 volt electromagnet of original 10amps DC + 7 turns and 13 turns, being changed to 6 amps DC worth of SAME magnetic field? (Simple proportions always come out for less turns.) It uses copper core of 7 turns connected to 13 turns 4mm rod steel core all on 10 amps. There is an electronics formula method that uses different constants for air, copper, steel, iron , and ferrite cores, that may not be needed. My guess calculation may be wrong. (I was thinking on 12 turns and 24 turns)

Fuel injection cannot be used with the duplication of the S1R9A9M9 mower engine conversion. The water/water vapor has to be DRAWN IN by engine vacuum for the point where the H20 becomes "volatile" at the LOWERED PISTON STROKE DOWNWARD and has the required plasma path, and subsequent 6-7  amps DC current max through spark plug. This was Nathren's and the shop technicians' new system back in 2005-2012 Georgia. You have not been reviewing the previous tech data on S1R9A9M9. The requirement is a riding lawn mower single cylinder Briggs engine, about 12-18 HP. They have interchangeable stronger alternators and dual alternators. The 17, 18HP has oil filter. Flywheel interchangeable with one with larger magnets one, for higher alternator output. Late Timing is in the range of about negative 34 degrees ATDC. The magnetic coils do that, or a built bracket to hold the adjustable Magnetron. The main power supply "isolated" is used at higher wattage to start engine, supply shut off, and then alternator self runs with full wave DC generated current from the 12 magnets under flywheel. Filter capacitor raises voltage. No V regulator allows higher volts and can be used also with V regulator same time, for battery charging at 14v. I ALREADY have a bench set up with 12HP engine, S1r modified triple magnetic coils assembly, P.S., modified alternator, adjustable EGR set up, Plasma path circuit, series protection diodes bank + end resistance circuit including zero ohms spark plug. The system has been changed over from Negative high volts to Positive high volts. Easier to work with and less chance of spark bypassing plug which it would absolutely happen with any cap or resistor or wire to ground that has positive ground spark. Accessory spark gap in series is a must. An engine would start /run idle speed , but would need 2 more things done. Main jet in carb later needs re drilled about 33% larger hole for power use , unless using gravity feed water hose to carb with brass adjustable needle valve. An EGR adjustable flow type needs to be applied to engine. 12v water valve and EGR vacuum valve controlled by adjustable vacuum switches for turn on +off. The embedded compressed Nitrogen from air is reused to increase engine efficiency and lower erratic running. 3rd Key switch position runs starter with water valve. Presence of vacuum keeps water flowing.There are 3 ways to get positive high volts from Briggs ignition Magnetron/Magneto. I built 19 attempts of power supplies, 4 of which that work as isolated grounds with sufficient output to counteract the diodes losses. I have built 40 different models of the S1R coils assembly. It does several things at the same time.

Other methods to increase ignition voltage can be insertion into a pulse type, step up transformer, laminations type, with the ratio desired . Since ignition is just pulse voltage out one direction and not AC, the common multiplier circuit can't be used. The other method is to add accessory spark gap with attached PF capacitors in and hooked to air core copper coils transformer of about 1:3 ratio. (Small voltage type Tesla coil / Tesla hair pin circuit with Radiant Energy)  The reasoning behind this , is that the lawn mower SS ignition coil (Magnetron) is only 10kv and not strong enough voltage to perform PLASMA PATH for the expected DC current injection into spark plug. S1R9A9M9 - Nathren and his tech people either did that Tesla circuit, or just used a PF PEAKING CAPACITOR . But that is a very short time constant compared with ignition volts. The whole idea was to allow extended time constant for about 34% ON TIME of circuit not just near TDC.This allows more DC current contact with water and water vapor . The 1978 car got 18MPG on water but was using HEI as about 28KV from high energy ignition chevy coil in top of distributor cap, as good Plasma Path.  My bench project has small board with inverter to DC high frequency type with bridge rectification charging 47Uf cap with 200v output through 15kv block microwave diode. This is against the ignition high volts output , so as not having to increase the original 10KV.  The cap discharges with Radiant Energy allowing plasma path. ( An increase of string series protection diodes bank requires much more input draw current and wattage from input battery.)  It's best to keep the ignition volts at a lower level.

 The way earlier Cold Fusion bench tests actually work, but have no precise controller mechanism. Set it up and wait. Those interested in that field should be looking in related areas of expertise of new techniques that could be applied. Check out the lab work of John W. Keely Philadelphia machine shop work of 1865-1899. Many books are available on his demonstrations of physics tests. I was impressed when he could make Hydrogen and Oxygen fuel gases easily from water with special harmonic vibrations applied with tuning fork array settings. Later, in the back of the Keely Discoveries book, he said that after a hundred expulsions of his resonance steel ball water chamber, there was gummy substance that he could not account for. Back in those days it was not generally known that 1 out of every 5000 molecules of water is Deuterium- Heavy Water, that has the constituency of glycerin!. The resonant frequency applied to chamber with ratio inharmonics did not affect the heavy water and had collected up in the chamber over time! Wow! See data available from S V P and the summery booklet of Keely's 3 original lab tech references called- The Snell Manuscript. He was a machinist, musician, and inventor of over 100 devices, and had the 5 Million dollar Keely Motor Company. Tesla didn't like Keely since Keely received more investors money than he did. I have about $500 in old documents over an 8 1/2 years study. There were about 500 of us studying Keely in the US. Lots of physics bench tests back then, such as attraction of same pole magnets, generation of 52 inches vacuum in hollow brass sphere in tray of mercury bath with open ended U manometer gauge, pulverization of granite block,  self running fluid hydraulic rotating motor with 4 way valve generating 50lbs pressure water hammer, weight reduction demonstration of heavy steel pressure tank and Brass hollow globe, generation of 23000 lbs pressure within 15 seconds of ETHER gas as proven on the lifting of weight on warehouse weigh scales. His passing was noted in national newspapers and magazines but only listed the fake set ups found in upstairs rooms  of his 2 floor building.  He had worked downstairs with array of tuning forks, logrithmic vibrating rods with series wires of silver, gold, and platinum as a transmitting wire with loops added to get multiplcation of frequencies in ratio. (We now call them thermocouples and thermopiles of differing metals.

An Inverter with ac output could operate primary of a regular type Ignition transformer , so as then,a voltage multiplier could be used. The current mower engines have a built in epoxied solid state trigger for the final MAGNETRON , 3 terminal autotransformer, so as it is a one piece unit. The original type was called a MAGNETO as just a transformer that worked with points contacts and condenser capacitor. Then came the same MAGNETO that could be used with an accessory trigger module , either Briggs brand or the universal type trigger module which was better, as engine would start at less cranking speed.
Another idea of mine was to ADD stronger magnets to the curved ALNICO magnet embedded in rim of flywheel. Magnets are not made as exact curve of flywheel. Therefore the only way is to use thin type , vertical, NEODYMIUM magnets super glued onto the existing one so as north pole faces outward that is .012" from MAGNETRON core laminations. This is called armature gap. The thin sideways measure has less of a curve for each one! I succesfully tested this theory on hand made spinning wood flywheel that fires a magnetron/magneto with trigger. Resulting high volts actual readings were not measured. I was also able to switch to a Positive high volts , rather than regular negative high volts with positive ground. (Upside down ignition coil) Ok If magneto with separate trigger, but not Briggs brand complete Magnetron. (The MAGNETRON coil using the universal type trigger will operate both polarities- but not the older style Briggs brand. ) See different photos of both types. On very old lawnmowers, the smaller flywheel had 2 magnets of both north and south poles firing the ignition coil with AC, with breaker points and condensor.
Some older cars had what was called HEI high energy ignition coils with outputs of 23-60,000volts. The mower ignition firing is only 10kv under compression , 6kv in air, and needs to be greatly increased in voltage for use with alternate energy projects that need a pre-type PLASMA PATH across spark plug, as the much higher voltage HEI units already do. How do you think this should be done. I am not an engineer.


The Briggs ignition coil (armature) gets about 1-1.6 amps induced into it, at about 5-8 volts, from the spinning flywheel magnet. The system shorts, to put out back EMF of -140volts. I propose using primary connection of 12v DC with resistance so as limiting current DC, but higher than normal. Resulting magnetic field should be higher. It will also short to ground with trigger as usual. Also several technicians have added capacitance with auto ignition primary coil inductance , so as raising the operating frequency of entire transformer, and increasing efficiency and higher voltage, due to being closer to the resonant frequency of transformer itself. No one has mentioned this about lawnmower coils. There are ignition boosters for sale but they are electric. Most riding lawn mower engines use a magnet for ignition, and 12 magnets for battery charging with enclosed ring alternator- only the crankshaft has to turn. A standard Lawn mower engine cannot be used for an alternate energy project without some way of greatly increaing the output voltage.l The Last resort is the conversion to car coil HEI, or adding to spark plug what is commonly called "Peaking Capacitor " of 100pf at 30KV,- which works, but dangerous to humans. The parallel spark capacitor has slightly raised up gas mileage of car owners with slight gain in power.
 

This is more clarification for those still interested in the S1R9A9M9 YOUTUBE mower engine conversion of water in carb as was done in 2008. The website Yahoo Groups waterFuel1978 data typed was by Nathren himself (the father) while his son was much more technical minded than him. The son had same name Nathren. The web forum data was signed Sir for the father, and Nathren for the son's data. Simple adjustable brass valve was not used for water line in that back yard test. The 2 people just squeezed the tubing for the amount of water flow to be allowed. The water upside down water bottle had loose cap so as air can bubble upward into bottle as the water flowed downward. LOW amount of water must be allowed to be pulled in by the vacuum of engine at carb top. (So engine not fowl the plug) The idling engine ran on electrolysis for hydrogen gas at spark plug in combustion chamber, aided by water vapor pressure same time. The EGR was not applied as per the previous car engines done, but was supposed to be added with adjustable valve. (Air compressed into water is is 78% Nitrogen aids engine efficiency) The 18HP Briggs engine normally used 4000 ohm resistive spark plug. It has LONG REACH threads that screws in to threaded hole. Nathren and 3 technicians in Georgia only found spark plug of 125 ohms - same threads. At that time they did not know about Champion spark plugs that can come apart. They could not make engine run on 5amps dc since 12-14 volts could not push current through a high value resistance. That's why circuit had added a triple S1R9A9M9 magnetic coils assembly that provided several uses the same time. (#1) magnetic field over plug BARE #12 copper 5 turns with 21 SPECIAL insulated turns extends spark time to late negative 38 degrees. (#2) 5 amps DC average on hand meter is  Peak 10 amps DC current on oscilloscope - same amps for field also as going through spark plug . (#3) Timing change done different way since Briggs ignition coil Magnetron is not adjustable as on older car engines turning the distributor. (4) The use of Ohms law E = I X R says can't pass 5 amps through 125 ohms with about 14 volts. About 63 volts required that's not normally available. The wire for high voltage passing through the S1R coils was only bare copper wire. The insulated low voltage wire was SPECIAL wrapped over it. There was cross leakage inductance of higher voltage induced in the low side. This is how the current passed through the spark plug at higher superimposed pressure voltage. At that time they did not know that you could remove resistor from top of a long reach Champion plug and replace it with copper segment, and form a zero ohms plug, or RACING spark plug. Farther down the line, the two output wires go together to plug top. There is a magnetic field present at combustion chamber that aids the process. 7 A peak through 1-2 wire inductor coils in relay provides magnetic field transferred to plug gap. On Briggs engine there is a magnetic field from Sir coils with possible relay inductors also, as the dimensions fit inside the plastic tub. There is a "return ground" wire present so as low volts does not return through the casting of engine, as the high volts does. See in video the extension cord "Y" that connects as very long wire from under spark plug to side of plastic tub on side of engine. The separate return line was used on all car conversions with the 400w inverter box. Time in micro/milliseconds is saved by this method and less ohms resistance. Engine started on 12 battery, then battery removed. Engine ran on the under flywheel alternator and DC from diode(s) half wave or full wave DC. The quick positive engine demonstrations Videos 1+2, did not have ANY preventive safety measures as the 10KV was across the battery and dangerous for acid explosion only when battery connected to starter motor. After several non tech people got hurt by acid or burnt shorted wires, they changed the written data on web site so as a duplication wouldn't work . The 3rd video on back porch engine test did not have wire of 5 amps connected to spark plug. The other Youtube videos of "The Smack" testing same engine at Nathren's property also did not have 5 amps wire hooked to spark plug top, but to an alternate resistance load as fan motor. On the first running engine video you can see the 3 power wires coming down from the upper cowl into the plastic tub on side of engine. The heat of the 2008 summer, the heat of engine, had melted the spiral black electrical tape glue so as the heavy tub slides downward, exposing the upper power wires. The S1R coils are in the tub along with other parts such as required accessory spark gap . Nathren's, and tech friends invention was shown working , running on water, but he neglected to say it was self running from the 12 +1 MAGNETS under the spinning flywheel . (The Plus red cable from battery was removed.) That Briggs 18HP had "dual" alternators as originally for one side for 5A for riding mower AC headlights, and 4 A for battery charging. They can be put together for higher amps out, up to 16 amps Full Wave DC, idle speed. Web site shut down. Most of the tech data was on the car conversions using one relay of dual 1.5MH coils per cylinder using the 400W DC to 115vAC inverter source power with one diode output. The 15 relays they had were obsolete- non purchasable . That's why the S1R triple coils was the replacement and using 12v DC instead. See my other messages for other data. There are several US Patents on superimposing 2 power sources together. I use a made up Power supply of ISOLATED secondary side from China 20Khz Inverter open board with voltage doubler , so as the 2 grounds do not interfere. You cannot use the common dc to dc step up voltage converters sold, as it uses 2 of same ground.- non isolated. My set up is about 38V DC , because you need protection from High V., and there are voltage drop losses in series, with resistors + series diode bank , leaving about 20 volts to spark plug for the in series current flow. You could also use Power On Board 500W inverter box so as getting the secondary side transformer wire gauge as handling 6.5 amps, then hooking to SCR controlled adjustable AC voltage reducer with meter, to get about 38v DC after the following rectifier or diode, assuming the plug is zero ohms.  The green box 400w 115vAC Power On board brand, is what  the technicians used in the shop in Georgia 2008 with the "worth their weight in gold" vacuumed sealed AC 60cycles traffic signals switching relays used in pole boxes that allowed smooth running of car engines. Their Inverter they tested could not be used with the S1R coils assembly on mower engine, as it will bog down and quit, most likely from the coils leakage inductance interfering with box. They should of made the coils assembly right the first time with all insulation + proper plug, and proper protection including fuses. The box inverter or triple coils assembly will work due to the expected 38% only duty cycle of on time as flywheel goes around to fire again. The Inverter boxes have a Peak double value wattage usable , but only for very short time such as start mode, but can use a short duty cycle as not on 100% of the time. Nathren had said there was a 1 HP loss for every 6HP of an engine, and they run at a lower RPM. THE 1978 Elcamino was on 18 miles per gallon only stream mineral water at highway speeds, PLUS the required EGR usage, at 6-7 amps Peak 3.5 A average current, because of the 50% duty cycle after diode from Inverter box. That "Wife's" car was in security garage locked up, he was hassled and shot at by thugs, arrested once, and wife divorced him, and Web site, and property address no longer any good. How many people are trying to duplicate this spark plug electrolysis that also generates water vapor pressure same time at -34 degrees late timing past TDC?? See again his  S1R9A9M9  first two  Youtube videos of 18HP Briggs mower engine running idle speed on plain water in carburetor. It actually sounds like a water pump! A car alternator can be belted to the crankshaft for power outpu

  -- Many years ago, there was page article with drawing of spiral vortex dual 110v AC transformers that would provide higher wattage on output. (You know about the tornado effect) The unit was tested on refrigerator with proper meters and power factor. Also the best wind mill generator design was the US Patented "Tornado Turbine", Also the late Mr. Baumgartner demonstrated a hover platform lifting effect with small wattage train motor rewired in series for speed, and vortex spinning vanes. He had used computer program to design it. It was shown lifting him in a room and then later, the front end of city bus.  1950 Military motor pool soldiers converted used oil furnace to run on water. Fire pot at 1500 degrees then allows super-heated steam from SS tubing heat exchanger to add to 90lb oil flow to tiny pin point oil nozzle. When steam exits from 90lb high pressure to ambient zero pressure in fire pot the hydrogen and oxygen torch flame keeps heating. Oil valve shut off. If water line shut down, furnace has to be restarted on oil. Much smaller  version in crate was shown to Washington senator in underground parking lot. US patent application was refused. Why can't anything be purchased.      Alexander US Patent 3913004 1975 The technique of rotation with transformer effect (double wires on rotor) as in the above Patent method to increase energy, allowed inventor to make self running car with 4 air motors at wheels with air tank, battery , alternator, and modified military motor/generator with excessive output torque free energy to run main air compressor. The Stan Meyer Patented ionized Hydrogen gas H+H+O-- generator is way over unity (not electrolysis) and usable since the Patents time has ran out. In 1980's New York there was a self running air compressor with no battery or motor. The main shaft had journal with air cylinder that had higher pressure coming from inherent vortex tube higher pressure than 40lb tank + insulated heat chamber. Unit had spoked, balanced, heavy rim steel flywheel. Tube had 3 machined parts from 3 separate work machine shops, so as final design as put together would not be known. Inventor was mowing lawn outside trailer with long air hose hooked to tank. The interested Company reneged on the $3 million dollars wanted after 1 year. John W. Keely had shown demonstrations in 1890's Phil. Pa, of lifting effect (no gravity) with resonance frequencies and harmonic ratios using array of tuning forks and multiplication of higher vibrations on heavy metal spheres .His "transmitter wires" of gold, platinum + silver, are now called thermocouples and thermopiles. Witnessed by engineers, newspaper men, and investors at that time. Tesla didn't like Keely since Keely got more investor's money than he did. S1R9A9M9 (Nathren) of 2008 videos showed Briggs mower engine self running over unity with water in carburetor. Hydrogen gas electrolysis at spark plug with also water vapor pressure generated same time at neg 34 degrees ATDC. Magnetic field coil - called triple coils assy, over plug wire extends firing time for more contact with water. EGR improves performance. Alternator with magnets under flywheel provides constant 10 amps after battery was disconnected. Web site shut down. Special vacuumed sealed dual 1.6MH coils relay per cylinder also used for time spark extension. His CONVERTED carb type 1978 V8 El C amino tooled around town until locked up in security garage. You don't know about specialized information because you want data dropped in your lap, rather than doing your own science research yourself and finding out what others have already done. Back issues alternate energies magazines, documents you have to purchase, and published data on Internet YOU have to search for. See DVD VHS movies The Water Engine and 1949 Free For All . 

I studied the circuit for Hydrostar years ago. That was an off shute of the Meyer cell, if you didn't know. Chambers used to work for Meyer and knew about the important circuits for efficient hydrogen fuel generation. If you look at his modified Patent, and flip the diagrams pages back and forth , you can surmise that the back EMF of the wire coil would hook to the electrodes as high voltage voltrolysis.

I studied the Horvath patents and understand the circuits. A duplication does not need a new cast carburetor and machined spoked electrodes. The Electrical circuit is just a beefed up capacitor discharge ignition for improved efficiency electrolysis for hydrogen and oxygen at 450 watts battery draw. The gases flow from water safety can to a "spud in jet" as fitting on side of old 1 barrel carburetor at the venturi point. This beveled copper tube + farrow seal cap was also used on small engines on propane conversion without the expensive type kit purchase.

On the NON affirming / opposition side,- upon deep review of original circuit drawing, for their auto conversion, the center diode between the inductors is only rated 600v, with ignition minimum 10kv against it, and diode facing the wrong direction. The low voltage facing was positive, while the ignition was negative as also called positive ground. Also, an inductor does not HOLD a charge like a capacitor does, as normally used with the expelling Radiant Energy as from diode releasing capacitor energy the same time. It seems now, that the original circuit was contributing just low voltage 7A DC current, -34 degrees timing, high voltage DC , and required magnetic field for the 8 spark plugs of the 1978 Chevy V8. If there was no Radiant Energy produced within the vacuum of the so called "Magic Relays", this may be just minerals water spark plug electrolysis for Hydrogen, with associated formed water vapor pressure addition, and the inductors magnetic field that all operated the engine with alternator recharging the 2 batteries on car. Was there a conspiracy there in 2005-2012 Georgia back then, with the main schematic shown on Internet being modified, so as duplication would be harder to do? I can see the relay inductors being used for the extension of spark TIME, and contributing the magnetic field for end use, but why not also add Neodymium ring magnets to the plugs? The N or S magnetism would carry down to the tiny tips in combustion chamber. Maybe the magic was just that.

You Tube video #4 was regarding a retest of same 18HP Briggs using the S1R9A9M9 coil assy , water, and light bulb as circuit electrical  load ohms resistance. You have to back up a ways to understand what really happened. Nathren was owner of electricians service shop business , but a non technical person. He had  actual technicians that did most of work in his shop on the 1978 car conversion, v8 engine on stand conversion, and 18HP riding mower engine conversion to water vapor pressure. He had a write up on the circuit done and a legal format, so that it's dated as his work at that time. The website is only a question and answer message board, not a detailed method. He never wanted to reveal outright the total designs. For Video #4, only the originator would fully know all the wiring done and reasons why, to make it work.  Nathren had  hooked his transformer up from DC battery  through the primary side of transformer and through DC light bulb. This would never work for video #4. All techs know that only AC or Pulsing on + off DC will run a transformer. Also later on,  when his visitor "hot shot" mechanic  came to his address from 1000 miles away to check claims on Briggs engine, Nathren briefly agreed to show his mower engine but only to a point.  During that  next engine video, it was never tested to see if it would run at all on any fuel. No proof that there was any compression. The engine didn't run. The later video #5 engine tare down showed stuck valves, so as compression not viable. So much for visiting self claimed qualified mechanics . That later time Visitor was told about a resonance between one side of coil (primary) and 12vDC fan motor used as resistance load when hooked to battery and engine would run. Of course it didn't run then either in that video. In the  workshop, another means could have been used, if the real ORIGINAL MOTOR armature had two points of wire snipped on commutator at 180 degrees apart, the wave form of spinning motor on oscilloscope shows on + off DC when connected to ground.  This would run a transformer and have an inherent self resistance. 
Video #1 -2008-The plastic tub hanging on side of engine contained the S1R9A9M9 coils, and a double coils relay for Hi V line. Two wires enter at top - Hi V line from alternate higher voltage ignition coil set up , and Plus 12vDC line from battery on the ground. They are covered with spiral black electrical tape. White wire at bottom goes to spark plug. The extension cord wire attaches to tub, but only used in video #2 if induction was needed, and grounded. When started, battery disconnected, and engine runs on power from "dual" on board alternator DC 10 amps. (Inverter box not connected)
No, it was not funny to see a video #4 made with a non running engine, unless Nathren decided not to share data, and put end to this, and his  techs project by showing non running engine. He was also afraid of other people getting hurt from car battery explosions trying to recreate the circuit. He could of also hooked it up wrong because he did not at all know the proper way to run a transformer.
Video #1-2008 used direct connection of high voltage through circuit to battery terminals during starting of #18 HP engine . It worked, but dangerous.
 Video #2 -2008 used some  (type) of  induction method for primary because he (Nathren) said it ran both ways in both videos. His website on Yahoo- Groups- WaterFuel1978 was written up as circuit  ONLY by induction method. I'm inclined to believe his 18HP ran with direct connection in both videos #1 + #2 on You Tube video.  S1R9A9M9.  There  is a lot more data I discovered  during study of his particular project (sparking water)if one sends specific questions.

My water engine project is on going. I'm duplicating  the 2008 mower engine conversion set up of Nathren,  Georgia) as S1R9A9M9. Maximum 20-24kv DC, maximum 6 amps DC through spark plug, and diodes protection for power supply and battery. Timing has to be after TDC. I'm using 12hp Briggs  riding mower engine that has ring dual alternator . Capacitor discharge ignition type, is in microsecond output range,  while induction type ignition coil is in milliseconds. The S1R9A9M9 coil assy provides magnetic field that stretches the spark time, so as more compatible with conversion of water to water vapor pressure. 18HP Briggs engine is on You tube from 2008 + sounds like a water pump. I studied his set up with series inductor coils in Hi Voltage  line,  and web site,  so as can answer a few of your questions.
 From Russ ..New York.

Special order Purchase VHS or DVD movie - "Free For All" 1949 comedy/ romance with Bob Cummings. Based on a true story from the 1930's. Bob shows a car and also a simulated outboard motor in water barrel running on the modified water! May be also seen on You tube Video. Original chemist made up formula using fine type coal powder and photography silver compound. Mixture is heated with acids until floating chemical formed.  This greenish/ blue catalyst is scraped off and dried and stored in opaque bottles -because of light sensitivity. One teaspoon of this 5 cents chemical added to gallon of water bubbles and forms burnable alcohol. later, in 1949, a movie was made based on this inventor's discovery. (He actually got the design from a German chemist who bunked with him in the 30's." When the German passed on, he claimed this for himself and gave demonstrations on cars, trucks, motorcycle, lawnmower and tractor.. He wanted 2 million dollars for the formula- never paid. You get to see the original old US Patent office building. The movie actually had 3 names, - Hot Water, Patent Applied For, and Free For All. Original manuscript was story written by author Herbert Clyde Lewis."It's Quite A Good Movie!" Your other option movie is called "The Water Engine".  Inventor refuses to give up his design plans. What happens?

Have you heard of the 1950 furnace conversion to water line? two service men in Texas about 1950 , had converted used oil furnace in motor pool to run on waste oil. Now, that's nothing new, but they added SS tubing so as the fire pot coil was heated first by oil flame. The fire pot was lined with fire brick insulation. The water line turned into steam, which turned into super heated steam at 1500 degrees.  At proper temperature, the oil line is shut off. The furnace nozzle continues to flame using converted hydrogen + oxygen torch. Furnace stays running. There is a shock wave produced from going from 90lbs pressure to AMBIENT - exiting nozzle. Dissociation of steam molecules to useful fuel. This normally takes about 3000-4000 degrees. They called in 2 technicians to help figure that out. The servicemen filed for US Patent . US Patent office issued paper Patent that only allowed 50% increase in furnace efficiency. ( They don't allow over unity!)  I read their complete application that stated fuel shut off. If water line shut off, the furnace cools off and has to be restarted on fuel oil. There was a T fitting with valves . The lower electric motor  had 2 shafts for 2 90lb. oil pumps.  A much smaller unit was built and taken to Washington , in Senator's underground garage. It was demonstrated in trunk of car. Unit looked like a fire brick chimney with circular pores holes in lower disc, like a propane stove.  (The Jackson Water Burner)     Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

More data for those interested in building the Horvath design of low 30v voltage output The Horvath cell is based on the oscillator firing 10,000 pulses per second at .006 duty cycle to SCR which allows the 22 amp discharge into the primary of TR#2 . The math formula has the 22 amps coming from inductance 185 microhenries on iron laminations core + using the ! microfarad capacitor with 300 volts DC The SCR self shuts off each time. . This is per pulse basis. The 22 amps is then multiplied by 10 for 200 amps to cell using the turns ratio of TR#2. The total wattage is based on times 10,000 cycles of the pulse watts.  The original Patent cell operates on .42 duty cycle. There is no completed closed loop magnetic core as a circle or rectangle core. This allows for a more degraded final signal that's desired using a straight section of core only. The high frequency type GE 35 amp SCR has dropped in price. The Polypropylene only, 1kv capacitor  at 1mfd.is still expensive. (or 2 .5uf caps in parallel) Ferrite core sets are easy to obtain for hand winding wires. . There are modern versions of Power inverter using MOSFET instead of Bipolar transistors.
1 / F = Period of frequency    duty cycle = on time pulse width / total period in seconds. I use the lower cost miniature China oscilloscope DSO 138 as welded- completed unit from Ebay.. Power supply as extra cost.Get inductance meter.The Invention parts not needed as in patent, ; -- special cast manufactured carburetor,and  mesh screen to separate gases. The circular cell with internal spoked electrodes can be changed to narrow high temperature gray PVC hand made box with removable top, and using large North and South plate magnets or multiple Neodymium magnets taped to opposite sides on outside of box. The internal flat steel plates are machine Knurled and the several steel strips flutes are Knurled. Flutes screw to plates from back side and flush. Flutes are  also filed pointed. Flute strips points face each other in water cell. (represent the spokes of electrodes).These pieces  are sent out to be electroplated with Nickel.The gases separation is not needed or wanted. The fuel flow output goes to safety water can with pop off over pressure cap before engine intake. A used Carter single barrel carb is mounted on 1/8" adapter plate for the intake manifold of engine. I liked the 1994 Geo Metro 3 cyl engine. It had adjustable distributor for the late timing required. The car engine compartment has plenty of room for parts and test meters. Single spark plug riding mower with Briggs engine could also be used. The carburetor VENTURI spot is drilled and thread tapped for brass fitting for short beveled copper end, and is called a SPUD IN JET. These were also used on small engines many years back when converted to propane fuel. Fuel hose with clamp hooks there from the safety can. The inverter being high frequency output needs FAST RECOVERY RECTIFIERS/ DIODES rated for current and voltage. I use FR607 with 12v .3A fan. The VICTOR VC921 digital multimeter will read voltage up to 10khz. The old style ANALOG  ones with face and needle will also register high frequency voltage. Fuel control can be aided using $42 adjustable 12v vacuum switch.Float chamber with float mounts on end of box. The several efficiency improvements installed in the original Horvath design was superior back at that time period.

It is also possible that the manuscript submitted to Patent office by Horvath was published as is. This would include the 2 pages of proofreading errors I had found, INCLUDED as designed in, to deter the commoners, from any duplication. Quality technicians and Engineers can follow the write-up and fully understand the flow of details. I said the device was used for improved efficiency of electrolysis of water to hydrogen. The Patent said so. The complete explanation STEP BY STEP is in the Patent write up with a parts list. The 2 transformers in circuit were hand assembled as pertinent only for that circuit. The Inverter is NOT similar to the old style methodology, due to the type of reversed rectification used. The DIRECTED magnetic field pulses SPEED UP the ions across the water gap of spoked electrodes. The PULSING METHOD of DC to the electrodes promotes the charged ions stuck to surfaces to be immediately released, and flow upward, better than straight DC. ( THE Archie Blue Patent uses small pumped in air that does a CLEAN SWEEP of ions off of the aluminum perforated stack of discs electrodes in vertical cell. His 3 cars ran on water with 40amp battery draw.) The heat from laminations heats the water to speed up electrolysis. Instant generation of fuel gases as H+H+ O-- ionized and not H2+O2, contains higher energy content If FIRED right away in engine. You did not read / study US Patent 3980053 for free Internet on line, to grasp the significance of this invention. A firm does not expend $5000 for attorney fees to process Patent application without substantial merit. Engineer Horvath's first 2 patents related were similar but differed as to final output of either low voltage or high voltage. His last Patent referred to Magnetron radiation tube in water cell center ALSO delivering sufficient hydrogen fuel. The final take on this overall, is that several special parts as described are not really necessary, and are there just to deter people from trying to duplicate the system. His self running car at 40 amps power draw, was public demonstrated several times and in local newspaper New Zealand.

I said the device was used for improved efficiency of electrolysis of water to hydrogen. The Patent said so. The complete explanation STEP BY STEP is in the Patent write up with a parts list.. The 2 transformers in circuit were hand assembled as pertinent only for that circuit. The Inverter is NOT similar to the old style methodology, due to the type of rectification used. You did not read / study US Patent 3980053 for free Internet on line, to grasp the significance of this invention. A firm does not expend $5000 for attorney fees to process Patent application without substantial merit. Engineer Horvath's first 2 patents related were similar but differed as to final output of either low voltage or high voltage. His last Patent referred to Magnetron radiation tube in water cell center delivering sufficient hydrogen fuel. The final take on this overall, is that several special parts as described are not really necessary, and are there just to deter people from trying to duplicate the system. His self running car at 40 amps power draw, was public demonstrated several times and in local newspaper New Zealand.

I studied US Patent 3980053 vigorously years ago. I typed 2 pages of proof reading errors made by the Patent Examiners. Doing a recent review of my findings, the ratio of windings is lastly, still a problem. The main circuit is just a beefed up capacitor discharge ignition at 600watts, and used for electrolysis, instead of low wattage unit for running a common ignition coil.
There is an "inherent" built in lowered efficiency set up ,designed in by Horvath, on purpose. The schematic electrical hook up in the Patent is to be able to use heavy amps as a final , without using a heat/energy wasting rectifier at 200 pulse amps at 600 watts. This brilliant small section of circuit solves the energy waste problem, but the step down windings ratio was incorrectly stated in Patent. With 300 volts injected by the cap into primary inductance, there seems to be a 270v loss to get to 30volts , and then a 10: 1 ratio, for final 3 volts DC. I then assumed there was a mistake as it should be 100: 1 ratio. But then again, that CANNOT BE RIGHT SINCE THERE IS AN INHERENT EFFICIENCY LOSS BUILT IN. The beginning power supply Inverter is high frequency 10,000 cycles. The 1st transformer for the Inverter is FERRITE CORE, which is normally designed for that frequency. The second following transformer using the discharge cap and ratio has low grade, low frequency iron laminations core. This speciality is for the designed in output pulse called critical positive voltage damped wave form, as a degraded final signal. (No heat loss from a 200 amp diode.) The core produces heat which is used to heat the water.

The question being presented here is, is it true then, because of the larger winding core loss of low frequency laminations on high frequency, that the REAL final winding ratio would be changed to approx 70 : 1 to be able to still get the required 3 volts as final?? I understand that Patents don't reveal exacting details, and the typed Patent should say 100:1,- they said 10:1 and are both wrong.

Instructions for the small CDI units for car or small engine ignition say that the high frequency unit is hooked to the regular auto ignition coil. Ignition coils are all called autotransformers with 3 terminals. The interior CORES ARE ALL low frequency iron laminations. Maybe I am reading too much into this, as it is common for cdi to use the iron lamination cores. What we didn't know was, the output pulse is POSITIVE DC VOLTAGE.
In The Patent, Capacitor discharges 22 amps pulse at 300v DC into primary coil 185microhenries. The ratio primary to secondary side changes current to 200amps pulse at 10,000 times a second.This then creates sufficient hydrogen fuel along with the other increases in efficiency for water cell. The engines then, run on water from tank.  That particular ratio was 1 to 10 for higher amps. to cell. The amount of current injected relates  to quantity of fuel gases evolved. What about the voltage reduction ratio??? 300 to 3 is not 10 to 1 ratio. Is there really a 270v loss in the transfer??

(Or just maybe the LAST actual proof reading error in the US Patent, was the ORIGINALLY WRONG FINAL VOLTAGE, AS It should be 30 volts PULSE DC!) 10 to one Ratio for both voltage 300v down to 30v and current up from 22A to 200A. (The 200 amps sounds more reasonable.) Your comments needed!
 

Have you heard about the used oil furnace from 1950's that ran on water? Patent was issued to army service men in Texas for only adding the initial water line to T fitting for used oil burner on used jeep engine oil, to get 50% increase in efficiency. That was not what was written in their application for Patent. SS coil tubing in brick insulated firepot of oil burner hooked to input common water line. Oil furnace started. Temperature gauge monitored for temp up to 1500 degrees F. Then valve opened so as superheated steam is allowed in T fitting with oil to tiny nozzle. Nice burn flame runs constant. Then oil line was quickly shut off. Furnace still runs. Shock wave from 90 lbs pressure to zero AMBIENT in fire-pot forms Hydrogen and Oxygen torch flame that also heats heat ex changer. Normally water molecules separate at about 3000-6000 degrees which is too much energy. The vibration shock wave allows for disassociation at lower temperature. Electric motor with dual shafts ran 2 oil pumps at 90lbs. If input water shut off, and cooled down, then furnace has to be restarted on oil. A much smaller unit in crate was shown to a US senator in Washington building underground parking , as an open trunk display. This was somewhat similar to the propane operated camping stove with circular pores, vertical round fire brick insulated chimney, and interior SS tubing of initial water. When steam introduced to T fitting, the fuel used  was shut down leaving burning circular torch flames. It probably used minerals free distilled water so as nozzle would not clog. (US Patent office not allow for over unity for public.- Free Energy is eliminated in issued US Patents. US- 1958, 2,863,499.
The water furnace did not have water or steam mixed with fuel oil. The heat ex-changer in brick highly insulated fire pot , was brought up to =/> 1500 degrees F.  Oil removed when steam valve was opened. This was a new science phenomena when the shock wave broke up the H20 molecule at the unusual lowered temperature. Read paragraph again. The US Patent issued was NOT what was asked for in the complete application manuscript in 1950. Patent said steam mixed with fuel oil.

The old documents from the late 1800's contain data surrounding the John W. Keely controversy regarding his supposed contract negotiations with Ford Company for him to supply free energy magnet motors for propulsion of the new motor cars. At that time it was also suggested to use the newly designed petrol engines. The oil companies wanted Ford to use cheap gasoline because of it's continued source of revenue. The Keely contract was dropped in favor of gasoline engines manufacturing. Mr. Keely was a musician with an ear for frequencies and also an Inventor with over 100 gadgets and systems. His Philadelphia machine shop had 2 floors of displays. Photocopies of many documents and his built machines from long ago are still available. I SAW the list of proposed serial numbers and old photography photo of bell chassis housing with stamped serial number among the Keely documents. Keely had a US Patent on dual use metal flywheel and a Patent application on self running hydraulic motor using inherent water hammer pressure at 50lbs. The papers were returned because the investors names were not on it. He showed water dissociation to hydrogen and oxygen bubbles very easily with inharmonic tuning fork vibrations. He was dealing with special series wires of silver, gold and platinum. These frequency transmitting wires are nowadays called thermocouples and thermopiles. There were added loops of wire for nodes , that multiplied the frequencies way higher. Another demonstration showed instant 52 inches vacuum generated without suction, chemical ablation, pumps. etc. That was using an open pan of mercury bath.with U tubing open end sensor and no gauge with spring. Resonance frequencies with harmonic ratios were applied to brass hollow sphere. Sign affidavits were made for later gravity control demonstration witnessed by technicians, investors, newspaper men, engineers. 2 ton pressure tank raised upward and put on heavy tripod. One invention was sold to western buyer for the wall pulverizer , as used to vibrate/crack walls of gold mine instead of blasting. High pressure""ETHER" gas was shown demonstrated within 15 seconds for upwards of 23,000lbs pressure on steam gauge. Engineers did not believe the spring gauges as they may have been tampered with, so Keely hooked the thick walled brass tubing to vertical air cylinder that pushed up the horizontal lever arm on the warehouse weigh scales,with heavy weight on end. The lever had negative leverage of 14 to one so as over 23,000 lbs was shown as actual lifted weight. Keely thought he was smarter than everyone else and had built up an extra room full of fake - devices that no one could figure out during their original showings. After Keely passed away, the newspapers printed up only the fake systems. See Inter library loan photocopies of Jan 29, 1899, New York Journal And Advertiser Keely- The Monumental fraud Of The Century. pages 17, 18, 19. This was also seen on general internet for free reading. There are a lot of references on The 5 million dollar Keely Motor Company, such as - Keely And His Discoveries, Universal Laws Never Before Revealed, Keely's Secrets, and SVP - source of many data documents. Keely wrote up 3 books on his 1800's shop work , 3 titles of 200 copies made by Lippincotts publisher. None can be found. A set from Detroit library was hand copied in 1935 and made into a summary called "The Snell Manuscript." That one is available from SVP- Paper or download.