I just saw this online. Rather interesting as he states 2.5LPM hydrogen for 1.5 amp current. Kind of expensive but looks well built and compact. However it would be nice to dig into this a little, 2.5LPM at 1.5 amp is outstanding.
Steve, It was a small amout of time he turned on the PWM to 3amp. If that succeeded to charge the chair negative and to run the cell for the rest of the video, does not compute very well in my thinking, but anything is possible it seems nowadays. The cell stayed very vigorous when the current was removed, just as it had a 3amp or higher current still going to it. I was told the chair was acting like a antenna so to speak, absorbing and using the energy from the environment. (that would be nice). Also if it could have been used as a antenna, then how about trying this with a real antenna?
I can see it would be nice to make a test of the single pair of tuned tubes. Does not appear very costly.
Mina I may have misunderstood you, I was told pretty soon a replication will be completed and shortly after that a PDF will be published. We can only sit and wait for that to happen. Wish they could spend more time on it but I'm assuming everyone has a real job and builds as spare time becomes available.
I mentioned and someone else did also, for Freddy to make a video showing the chair and all connections to the cell. It sort of leaves you skeptical when you don't get to see the whole picture.
Steve the 1 octive lower is only the center pair of tubes.
The completed Proto 6 system is 9 pair of tubes around a center pair of tubes. 9 pair of tubes are 3/4" and 1" as we already talked about.
Center pair of tubes is a: 6"x2"x.065"wall and a 7"x1.75"x.065wall. These tubes have a small 1mm gap while the others have a 2mm gap I believe. These center tubes are the 1 octive lower you mentioned.
The whole system is 10 pair of tubes, 9 around the 1. Its built into a container and here the GE GXWH40L container is available at HomeDepot that Freddy used. Before we go into the proto 6 build we should test the single pair for operation as Freddy has shown.
Then there is a PWM and as Freddy uses the MX068 available from ebay. The PWM needs modifications to 14.7hz. Its not a hassle to do this. I think were talking about a cap and resistors and can be done with resistance change only if you want. Any PWM with the ability to get to 14.7hz can work. The good thing about the MX068 is it comes as a 55amp PWM. Has a frequency control and a Duty control. Freddy also modified the mosfets, number 1 check for thermal paste on the mosfets. The PWM should be capable of in excess of 100amps at start to help the system pressure rise quickly. After that its adjusted to 55amp. I believe there is a on/off relay connected to a pressure sensor set at 60psi. Very simplistic system. I know he uses a lot of current but this does not matter for what the system is capable of.
The system also has a second battery and a battery isolator. Alternator capable of working (charging) the automobile battery as well as the isolated battery, suggested is 200 amp alternator. Some valves. Valve to shut off petrol. Pressure relief set to 75psi. Air cleaner dryer. Connection to injector manifold. Water tank. Water level sensor and pump. A relay. Some #12 wire for shorted coils to help take the edge off the square wave. etc..
Before we go into the whole thing, lets test the single pair and tune it.
The single pair of tubes also gets small plastic set-screws threaded through the outer tube to space the inner tube and gap. It appears the length of the inner tube may be adjusted slightly lower at the bottom than the outer tube sort of like a wave guide, before this is epoxied into a vessel container. The preliminary testing and details have to be worked out. It would be nice to see a reaction just like in the video. Once that is done and working then personally I would complete the full build.
The car from the FutureEnergyConcepts video was run on 100% water no petrol. Proto 6 went through several stages of developements. The videos are not stretching the truth.
The last video is much more impressive. Freddy has done all the math for the proto6 that he has open sourced it. Had a visit with him last week and he is a blessed fellow and family.
The petrol is cut off with a valve, and can be used to enhance the system when it needs it like on a hill climb. In the video he also states and shows loss of system pressure in the injection manifold when climbing a small hill. I did not get a personal look at the truck but understand there were problems with certain people. Also take note that the truck in the video's was a 4.3liter I think and it did very well with the cell unit.
So maybe using imagination if the motor was smaller than 4.3 it could sustain a larger climb and pressure could be maintained on the manifold better. Or addition of another tube-set pair or 2 might work to maintain pressure when horsepower is called for. The basic concept is there and it works well. Better than anybody ever offered up to the public.
The only thing I suggest is to make a pair of tubes exactly as he stated. Adam is making the tubes and tested one in Freddy's last video, go and check this out its very impressive.
Freddy did all the tuning math for us: tubes, 14.7hz PWM. Based on 1/2wave RF tuning I believe and fundamental frequency's of the tubes become acousto-mechanical with PWM at 14.7 the math was also figured for frequency wavelength in water and as much variables as possible with the water and gas between the gap. There were so many variables this genious genuine man figured for us.
Personally speaking he is giving us a gift. We have been blessed. He has been doing this for 30years, and has been involved with people we believe in. So anyone spewing negative crap is just that, a bunch of BS. Don't forget all the people and companies that want to suppress this technology. Thats always a problem.
Its worth a try I'll figure something out, have no room on the bottom but there is a serperation plate that I could easily mount the fogger inside.
Looking into water ionizers and appears pretty easy to make a seperator. A unit that will seperate acidic from alkaline. Worth trying in a cell and the alkaline is great for human consumption, supposed to taste like rainwater. The concentrations of hydrogen change between the 2. Also the fact that the water changes to micro-clusters sound good too. Another step in breaking it all down.
More reading on the subject of micro-clusters shows that its bunk bogus hype non-substanciated or un-noteworthy claims not by reputable science industry. Most likely a way to get you to spend dollars for their device. A sales pitch. Oh well!
Alkaline water seems promising in many ways. The calcium oxide build up on cells, Ravi, Dave Lawton. This is a alkaline build-up. Naoh and Koh alkaline solutions produce plenty of fuel but consume much current and the same with other salts. They are all alkaline and many other minerals are.
Your doing a great job Bubz! Maybe we should just stick to the main topic and keep the flow going. We can always come back to resonance at another time, there seems to be some variable here that makes it tough.
I got some thoughts worth considering once its substanciated on the secondary power requirements.
Let me explain a little: Right now I get 15 and less amps on the secondary. The o,scope says I am applying 10vrms. That suggests to me I am using 15a @ 10vrms = 150 watts power. Less than 1/4HP. So a fractional motor can be used in the end using less power requirements just to turn the altenator. For right now experimantal situation its just fine to use an overbearing motor. The more I play with this I can see the power requirement going down and efficiency slightly rising.
I agree with Don and Outlaw on that wind method very hybrid type and seems downright that it has to be efficient. I can tell just by the basic method I did that this cut current by half from my last years experiments and production appears the same if not better. Thats a huge jump in the right direction. Also I am at a point of its not just automobiles were talking about this is fuel and can be used for many things.
I'm dreaming a little but could be reality soon, that my setup running through a manifold with small outlet tips pointing to the bottom of a several cast iron small saucers heating them red hot with a grill above and I cook me a steak on that bad boy. Its not out of sight to do this.
Now use the same idea and make a heating manifold and box heat exchanger and power some small 12v fans for circulation. Not to far out of sight.
Hyroxyl torch, very easy!
There are probably countless other uses that cannot be discounted for this tube method. For me to feel any accomplishment this tube set must produce at least one of these methods. Don't think mine is automobile set-up at all.
Now with all new informations you see ammonia being mentioned which makes 100% sense. That is the real start of the revolution. Next step beyond the cell. Cell can go further for processing real easy also which is what I'm working too. But processing to go to the next step is: air mixed with HHO and creating ammonia NH3. Too make a small test you already have the HHO now you need a basic ionizer on the air and mix the HHO into the air after the ionizer and maybe also install some photon source and you have a small test apparatus. Do it on a small scale to test.
This has been strongly on my mind but have to finish some old experimental stuff first. The most efficient alternator wind is on top of my list and don't know whats holding up Don and Outlaw but hope they find the time here real soon as I'm itching to hear a result and have a feeling its going to be good.
Hi JohnD, Hows it coming along? Have you taken any more measurements of your system. I know you said you had 1.5a on rotor. But also can you take a current reading of the secondary side? How many diodes are you using 3 or 6?
You know Don your probably right. Still working on that part.
If I saw it I probably would not know anyway because I don't know what it is. (Yet). Maybe one day we'll stumble on to it. Got to keep picking away at all those variables, and keep reading.
Meanwhile I'm working on what I can with this tube set to keep pushing hopefully in a positive direction.
These tubes may have to be more tuned in. Meaning the individual capacitance of each tube set when built should have been matched. The weight of each tube could be matched so each is the same mass in each set. Many things could have been better prepared. Now I should match each with its own coil to try to fix my mistakes which I think is possible.
If done properly from the start this may have been a lot easier.
I agree if there's a lot of steam temp will rise. Have ran it maybe 20-30 minute tests and havn't noticed a temp change. Only measuring the outside with a IR thermometer.
The saturation point sounds good and you can see the stuff already going back into the tube sets. It still makes me want to find a filtering method because it does happen. Makes me wonder about a hi-voltage static filtering device that Meyer used.
Will work on one step at a time.
Also that speed control that Askmehhow pointed out may have possibilities. Very affordable.
Trying to help a friend help a company come up with a way to measure LPM of HHO or Hydroxyl right out of a cell. Seems like there is plenty interest in a metering device in this group class of gas. He bases his stuff on KOH and distilled but I'm thinking it still will be pretty near the same specifics in all cases of water to gas by any electrolyte and types of water, spring, tap, rain, snow. The combination of ortho and para hydrogen along with the various combinations of the oxygen molecule will basically be averaged anyway.
They are asking for a specific gravity of the gas. So if anyone has some good input on the specific gravity then maybe soon a better form of measurement device will be made.
I'm going to side with Mr Qiman he is spelling out the latest information. Its not an easy process but if you did the research it will definately have plenty of chemistry there.
Qiman is not the process of water air and recirculated exhaust what creates the ammonia if all parts were broken down and reshuffled by an ionization process of these parts or molecules (nitrogen hydrogen) but what doesn't make sense is there is oxygen in there too. 78% nitro 20% oxy 2% trace from air itself that the GP processes and if ammonia is NH3 it may not be completely ammonia but some other form or unknown or unwritten as of yet, I say this because what happened to the O O2 O3 O5 in this process. This whole activity is happening in the cylinder also, and is not what comes out the exhaust, since the exhaust is a byproduct of what happened in the motor after it fired, so thats maybe why no ammonia would be measured out the exhaust?.
Also you have been real hard at this for years on top of that.
What I think Donaldwfc and DynoDon are very concerned with or focused on at this time is refining the process of creating the HHO in huge quantities in a resonant condition with very low current to boot. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this as I also truly believe the process of electrolyzing HHO can be taken to an extreme and would not be called electrolysis anymore but another method and can create a beneficial fuel result for us all.
The chemical process and combo's of all those molecules and research of the many deep minded and routed peoples of the many forums in my book are hitting the nail on the head with the GP, injection processing, plasma sparks and manipulations of the neccessary molecular structure to other than fire the cylinder and have no leakage of blowby, create a great exhaust mixture to go back into the air. Its just around the corner but will any of them release the information for us others or will they stand to fill their deep pockets with the gread that surrounds all man kind, power and money and all those NDA's that keep them bound up and silent. And then the information becomes buried again. Who will lead us to Freedom maybe H20power? There is a lot of information still missing for that project to be completed.
So whats the point of laying a low blow and anyone being hard headed its all good here!
I can see at this site we need more activity, more builds would help a whole bunch, researchers actually building something and exposing it here would be real nice. But have a feeling there is some hidden activity here a brewing and festering. People with good ideas.
Maybe Dynodon could dig a little deeper in those real Meyer notes and get some good clues. And what happened to Geotex and to J Bostick. Have a feeling your holding back there Dyno!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_nitride I looked into this a year ago about the calcium formation of oxide. This is the best thing I could come up with, too match the colors of what we see.
Maybe someone could shed more light but I thinnk this is worthy of a look and a bit of study.
Calcium Nitride is a byproduct of when the oxide forms or makes.
I'm not a chemist its just a guess. Possibly a helpful one!
From Radiant_1 "Well, sorry, but you believe incorrectly...there is an insulating "vitreous ceramic"...STOVE CLAY...but, NOWHERE does it say piezo....NOWHERE!"
What is the vitreous ceramic made from. If you look you will find a combination of materials. All these materials are in the piezo family. Vitreous ceramic material absorbs the water and most probably has piezo tendancies with the special combinations of materials its made from. Did you read it thoroughly. he does not state piezo but if you research the materials are all in the piezo family. Why do you suppose Puharich used a special combination of materials for the ceramics? 2:56 or so into Puharich Lecture #3 the chemical composition of the vitreous ceramic coating is enormously complex.
Really think we should not further clutter this thread. Its funny why people in general cannot see through these patents because we in general have such a small focus on whats being said or read. Thats why nothing has broke through on the patents we work on.
Please lets not discuss this further as you are being very disagreeable and appear not to be very open minded. I'm a firm believer the vitreous ceramic material is piezo based by the combination of materials used to make it.
Sorry I should have said piezo materials in that first post. Just PM me if you want to argue.
Geoytex, I have one suggestion if you build such a nice PWM micro controlled.
We are not seeing any positive side pulsing. Will this work on the positive line? Work that into the outputs. I know you don't care for the positive side, but thats more control. More variables!
It still would not hurt to hook up one electrode or partial tube length to one side of a lightbulb and the other side to a positive voltage source and see if there is a connection, electron or current flow through the lightbulb. Somewhere there are electrons to remove and a lightbulb test would prove it. Choosing the proper bulb may take a few test runs to see it light a little or alot. Thats what I think as I have not proved this, I will try it when I get there. If the electron is free from the valance how it would be damaged after being charged or ionized and should be used up. Bottom line a test would prove it.
I believe Hydro is right about the part that the electron can shift orbits in the shells. If a electron shifts it also gives off a photon and the structure of the molecule is now becoming unstable. Our gas we are making is going into the photon injection so the photon injection circuit is an added circuit to bring the gas to a higher potential. The destabilized bodies gases (particles) will want to stabilize so we need the electron extraction to help keep everything in the unstable state. He (MEYER) built several seperate containers one above the other to maintain this process of destabilization and extraction of electrons. These destabilized gases are much stronger I believe than our electrolized gases. I'm not satisfied with the fequency of spectrum. The frequency of diode pumping may be more beneficial. Meyer stated in one memo 935nm Infra Red and also ran this through 4 concentric lenses pumped at 100Khz. Many of the pictures show this photon injection bouncing or reflecting through the containment.
After this is figured I believe we need to find and match the burn rate of H-gas. I read and maybe others have that we should process the gas. Add more outside air gas. Hydrogen burn rate is over 325 centimeter per second. Natural gas burn rate is 47cps . That tells me we have to add a lot of non-combustables or air for the proper processing of h-gas. We may make 1 liter per minute but that may equate to the equal of 7 liters per minute if processed correctly. Thats another story we'll have to get into soon after this one.
Maybe a dumb question coming up. I checked and read and had heard many answers to the light frequency we should use. I am coming to a conclusion here soon maybe.
In physics, the photon is the elementary particle responsible for electromagnetic phenomena. It is the carrier of electromagnetic radiation of all wavelengths, including gamma rays, X-rays, ultraviolet light, visible light, infrared light, microwaves, and radio waves. The photon differs from many other elementary particles, such as the electron and the quark, in that it has zero rest mass;[3] therefore, it travels (in a vacuum) at the speed of light, c. Like all quanta, the photon has both wave and particle properties (“wave–particle duality”). Photons show wave-like phenomena, such as refraction by a lens and destructive interference when reflected waves cancel each other out; however, as a particle, it can only interact with matter by transferring the amount of energy
Does all light emit photons, I'm guessing it does. According to all the reading of patents (meyer and whoever) they state photon and not some wave length. I'm also thinking that any light injected into the chamber as a secondary charge should be of some practical value. Is this a correct way of thinking?