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Stan’s Legacy

Its about time to start building on Ionization projects.

Started by unknown · · 36 posts · last reply 21 December 2008

  1. Steve

    #1 · date not recorded

    Hi members,

    The last years we seen lots of waterfuelcells being build.
    Many of you produce some amount of hydrogen/oxygen on demand! :)
    Thats the start of the whole proces. When we look at how people like Stan Meyer powerd his engine, then we can say that he changed the energystate of the produced hydrogen/oxyhen mix. He was prevending the re-combining of the atoms from hydrogen and oxygen to water molecules as long as possible. That way he gained much more power from the same amount of produced gas.
    The theory of Stan Meyer was to plug electrons out of the gas.
    That way, the hydrogen atom couldnt be linked to the oxygen atom.
    On the otherside, if it is possible to plug out the electrons of the oxygen atom, then it will stay unstable as well.

    There has and is always the question if we have to believe Stan Meyer.
    Hydrocars tried and confirmed the High Voltage ionization proces and shared this some months ago with us!
    So the proces has basically confirmed. Now its time to confirm it all together.

    So, here we are.
    TIME TO START BUILDING IONIZATION EQUIPMENT!  :D

    We of the Ionizationx team hope that you join in and publish your idea's and building projects, so we all learn and end up with an engine running with less produced gas!

    br
    Steve

  2. Steve

    #2 · date not recorded

    Hi,

    Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

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    Steve

    attachment_2457 LED.jpeg

  3. JAFO

    #3 ·


    A few comments / suggestions :

    Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.

    Switzerland video 1989.


  4. Steve

    #4 · date not recorded


    A few comments / suggestions :

    Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.
    Switzerland video 1989.


    Thank you JAFO.
    I hope you join in and show us some projects here.

    br
    steve

  5. najman

    #5 · date not recorded

    Hi,

    Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

    br
    Steve
    Hello Stevie
    What is the effect of the laser on the hho ?
    Thank you
    Najman

  6. Steve

    #6 · date not recorded

    Hi,

    Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

    br
    Steve
    Hello Stevie
    What is the effect of the laser on the hho ?
    Thank you
    Najman

    Hi Najman,

    Please read following link. I explained it mostly there.

    http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,407.0.html

    br
    Steve

  7. najman

    #7 ·

    Hi,

    Here you see a testboard of Hydrocars with his LED Lasers for testing a photoninjection system for ionizationproces

    br
    Steve
    Hello Stevie
    What is the effect of the laser on the hho ?
    Thank you
    Najman

    Hi Najman,

    Please read following link. I explained it mostly there.

    http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,407.0.html

    br
    Steve

    Thank you stevie
    you can use the laser pointers they are more powerfule than the leds ,imho

    Najman

  8. Dankie

    #8 ·

    Yeah thats what i'm gonna do .

    Laser pointer

    attachment_2467 gas charger.JPG

  9. Steve

    #9 · date not recorded

    Hydro,

    It seems logic to work on the hydrogen atom, because there are twice a much of them in the gasmix.
    The gain is much higher, because hydrogen has only 1 electron. If it looses that electron, it will not be able to hook up to the oxygen atom.
    However....this is all theory and not proven.
    I also wanna look at the oxygen BOHR model soon.

    The frequencys are accoording to the BOHR model of hydrogen:

    656.46 nm  = red
    486.27 nm  = blue
    434.17 nm = blue-violet
    410.29 nm = violet

    I have these LEDS already in my lab. I am looking for a way how to make a proper setup.

    br
    steve

    ps. found these:

    http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/oxygen.html

  10. Steve

    #10 · date not recorded

    well,

    Stan used clearly LEDS accoording to his photo's and texts
    br
    steve

  11. Steve

    #11 · date not recorded

    More info on the Balmer lines

    http://www.ceoptics.com/ccd/ccd_tech_report.html
    The most predominate frequency for nebulae is centered at the HII line in chart 2.This is the H-alpha line at 656.32 nm and is the result of spontaneous photon emission from the ionized hydrogen gas present in the nebula as electrons decay from the 3rd to 2nd energy level.
    Also: ionized oxygen at 500.7 and 495.9 nm

    More good info on the oxygen Balmer lines:
    http://loke.as.arizona.edu/~ckulesa/camp/camp_spectroscopy.html


    br
    steve

     dtadesse_photon.pdf  elettra-hl0304-r02.pdf  Light.ppt  Chapter6_notes.ppt

  12. Dankie

    #12 · date not recorded

    I'm going for the Oxygen , So a 500 nm laser  Stevie ?

    What is that 656 wavelenght , some centered frequency that all  the atoms react too ?

    I wanna make this simple as possible , will only use 1 laser .

  13. Steve

    #13 · date not recorded

    Dankie,

    It am still looking and reading.
    Maybe you can help with googling?
    I use words like oxygen, balmer lines, ionization.
    Somehow the universe provides the answers..:-)

    br
    steve


  14. Steve

    #14 · date not recorded

    Dankie,

    For oxygen i find always 3 frequencys:
    ca 500nm
    OI oxygen line at 645,6 nm
    ca 777nm


    br
    steve

    Ps.

    http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/astro101/lectures/lec08.htm

    very nice website!

  15. Steve

    #15 · date not recorded

    More info on IONS.

    There are 2 types of IONS (ion = atom that lost electrons)
    1. anion (negative charged ion) like the negative charge oxygen ion O2- or the negative hydrogen ion H-
    2.kation (positive charged ion) like the hydrogen proton = H+ or like oxygen O2+

    br
    steve

  16. Steve

    #16 · date not recorded

    Well, i am talking to myself here.

    How do we get those electrons out of the gasmix?
    Should we push the ionized gas thru 2 electrodes and hook those up to a lightbulb orso?

    br
    steve

  17. JAFO

    #17 · date not recorded

    Well, i am talking to myself here.


    Not true, I was hunting down a link for us that I ran across while working on my HHO project.

    Water Structure and Science -  http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/index2.html

    tons of info on everything water.

  18. Dankie

    #18 ·

    Dankie,

    For oxygen i find always 3 frequencys:
    ca 500nm
    OI oxygen line at 645,6 nm
    ca 777nm


    br
    steve

    Ps.

    http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/astro101/lectures/lec08.htm

    very nice website!

    Thzx Stevie , i just find this laser wavelenght stuff too boring , it makes my head hurt .

    THX you much for this info , i know for a fact that the hydrogen keeps his electron till the very end , the oxygen robs the hydrogen of its electron . I heard Stan say that so many times , i'll always remember his description of this ...

  19. JAFO

    #19 ·


    This covers wavelengths of IR impacts on H20:

    http://www.martin.chaplin.btinternet.co.uk/vibrat.html


  20. Dankie

    #20 ·

    of its electon , confused thoughts ...

    DOPE!!

  21. Steve

    #21 ·

    Please stay on topic, my dear members.

    br
    steve

  22. komtek

    #22 ·

    It still would not hurt to hook up one electrode or partial tube length to one side of a lightbulb and the other
    side to a positive voltage source and see if there is a connection, electron or current flow through the lightbulb.
    Somewhere there are electrons to remove and a lightbulb test would prove it.
    Choosing the proper bulb may take a few test runs to see it light a little or alot.
    Thats what I think as I have not proved this, I will try it when I get there.
    If the electron is free from the valance how it would be damaged after being charged or ionized
    and should be used up.
    Bottom line a test would prove it.

  23. warj1990

    #23 · date not recorded


    A few comments / suggestions :

    Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.

    Switzerland video 1989.




    volume %
    25% exhaust recycle
    25% outside air
    50% H2 and O2 (in the common 66% H2 and 33% O2 output)

  24. Steve

    #24 · date not recorded


    A few comments / suggestions :

    Reducing the burn rate of HHO by mixing with exhaust gasses, ambient air intake, LED, and electricity. Possibly also PCV gases as well.

    Switzerland video 1989.




    volume %
    25% exhaust recycle
    25% outside air
    50% H2 and O2 (in the common 66% H2 and 33% O2 output)



    Hi Warj1990,

    How did you get these numbers?
    Are they from your own experience?

    br
    steve

  25. WaytoGo

    #25 ·




    I have used 5 volts ultra violet diodes direct in a hydrogen cell without any noticeable changes in gas production.

    It only looks nicer, but i did not give any effect.. and F.... i bought 50 pcs. of them..  :-\

    But i did not pulse the diodes.. maybe i should if someone can learn me to make a pulse circuit for the diodes?