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komtek

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Bob and Stan explained

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Yes it looks good.
 
Also a type of double power source so another signal will get injected upon the toroid.
 
I'm very interested in your outcome for this test.

BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!

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I saw that too!
 
Be carefull not to blow it out of proportion.
 
Warp is an administrator I guess that gives him the ability to modify any post?

BOB BOYCE PLANS HERE!!!

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I thought there was some newer circuit Bob was using.
Maybe it as a ATmega based controller he got last year.
 
There was only a handfull of those Atmega controllers out.
No posts about them?
 
Nothing new by Bob posted since that triple 556 type stuff?
 

Bob Boyce

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Stevie, can you get any pictures to go with that.
 
Does Bob provide some visuals anywhere of his pulse system and chokes other than whats available in the standard PDF's?
 
Such massive wire, must use a huge amount of current for his cell.

Steorn Orbo

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I think I know what you mean, maybe it was called a schmidt trigger device or component.

Pickup there could be photo or magnetic sensor.

Maybe there's a protruding tab that cuts the sensor like one thats found on a floppy drive.
The tab might be on the back side of that Naudin photo and just revolves around cutting signal every revolution.

Floppy drive sensor is probably easy to come up with and use for this.

Steorn Orbo

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optical isolator, optical coupling device, optocoupler, photocoupler, or photoMOS

Is this what you are looking for.
Mina, do you have results?
 
I may be able to help get results published/verified.
1) Can speak to Freddy.
2) Have spoken to Sterling Allan (PesNetwork, PesWiki).
 
Also would like to hear of your build details if you want to share.
You could email me at: komtek@cableone.net if you would like to exchange some input and ideas.
We can Skype too!
 
John
 
I was just informed that the rod holding the cell in the video of Freddy's test was also connected to a steel chair and was explained as funneling energy from the outside environment into the cell.
Also that another chemical was being used as a catalyst.
 
These informations and descriptions will become available in an upcoming PDF file from Freddy.
Either way I look at it it is apparent that there is some interesting reactions happening with Freddy's cell.
It appears that the full information disclosure will be available when the PDF is published.
This PDF will have a cost of $100 when its available.
 
I don't think it wise to perform a full replication build just yet.
Although testing of a single tube cell sounds interesting to see what result may be acheived.
 
What other catalyst in the bucket can produce his result?
 
Steve that is a good point:  "Did anybody seen anything about making the surface shine like a mirror on these FF tubes?"
 
Freddy mentioned to me a basic building block of construction is creativity/imagination and an intenseness of detail.

No where is it mentioned in Freddy's video's about polishing a tube.
Also I did not see any polished tubes in Freddy's shop.
I know Freddy was all about keep it simple stupid method as Stan Meyer.
 
Speaking with Freddy he states many of these processes are uneccessary, but also these many processes enhance the performance just a little.
So it seems that how much work are we/you willing to do?
 
If the inside of the center tube is polished you would think that it aids to vibration of acousto-deflection/reflection, by not being absorbed by a rough surface, but what if you want it to be absorbed to aid in vibrations?. I think more information is neccessary.
If the inside of the tube pair gap is polished its another question.
We know that a sanded surface exposes more surface area and in turn more area makes more gas as in a standard electrolizer.
But an acoustic vibration may most likely deflect better off a polished surface (don't know), still more information is needed.
Now it becomes self experimentation on various theory's.
 
Does anybody have any PDF study's on acousto-mechanical deflection/vibration? It may be helpfull of more understanding.
Signal vibration propogation.
 
 
 

 
Mina I was just relating to you what was told to me by Freddy.
Annealing will soften the metal if done correctly and it appears if its done can enhance the performance of vibration as Freddy has stated in the video for Proto 7.
 
Also there is personal creativity that can be applied to enhance the operation of the cell you will make as long as the fundamental principles of the system as it works are enhanced and not degraded. (certain other methods of building were also brought to my attention IE:epoxy laced with ferrous oxide method).
 
So the question is still the same, has a simple single pair test be done to confirm the enhanced ionized gas and production. Before anyone were to spend and possibly waste hard earned dollars on certain processes. (anyone else other than Freddy in a video?)
 
Also a quality seamless tube when made seems to undergo an annealing process and this may have to do with the manufacturer that made the tubing.
Meaning I'm pretty sure all manufactures may have slightly different processes although the methods are pretty much the same.
Freddy told me he purchased his tubes from onlinemetals. http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=902&step=2&top_cat=1
 
If you buy your seamless from online metals take a note of the technical grade: ASTM A213 or ASME SA-213
Further probing into this specification tells you: All material is to be furnished in heat treated condition.
This tubing has basically undergone some annealing to attach this specification quality to it.
 
It will be best when you purchase your tubing to understand what it is you are buying, so pay attention.
Annealing may be a waste of dollars if the metal has already undergone an annealing process.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
Yes the tubes have the same frequencys in them but are not the same frequency. (thats what my ear hears, but I only did the 2 center tubes).
Thats a very interesting part of this.
The tubes are really 2 different frequencys that are relative in harmonic fundamentals. (I have not done these outer tubes yet).
 
You will see when you have these tubes and ping them.
It will be more enlightening to have a frequency or tone software program, that you can record and playback and get real time frequency/tone measurements.
NCH tone generator has a 14 day free trial and also does not cost much to license.
There are also small programs for digital cell phones that only cost a few dollars.

I believe I was also told that this is tuned to a 1/2wave.
Only thing that comes to mind is like a 1/2 wave RF.
Don't know much about this 1/2 wave sorry.
 
It does go to show that a major job was done on this tuning, more than meets the eye.
 
 
Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
 
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
 
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
 
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall. 
Carriage bolt for center of 3/4" tube has domed top.
Yes its hard to believe that a small amount of gas can go so far.
 
I originally thought maybe he had just a liter per min.
But this is no ordinary hydroxy or BG.
 
I'm not absolutely sure but think he said 2H2O2i that came up in a conversation somewhere. But he is also working on Proto7, its completely different.
 
Anyways the strength in his HHO alignment has substancially more impact than the norm.
They call it ionized.
He pointed out just the rise of the tube over its pair creates an ionization. (1 tube taller than the other). A very good point.
Because of the ionization of the gases, they become heavy so this may easily relate to more density.
Put this gas in a balloon and if the balloon does not float and falls to the earth then this ionized gas can be compressed substancially beyond 60psi.
If the balloon floats its not the right gas and you cannot compress it too far before it implodes/explodes, its been suggested be carefull at 15psi.
 
 
 
If gasoline fumes were injected it would still get great mileage per hour and this would maybe explain the pressure of 20-60psi.
The unit sitting there started, really showed 5psi. But when motor started the pressure rose slowly to 60psi.
Also he mentioned HC maybe in the write up, whats he talking about? maybe Hydrogen Chloride???
 
Then why hide the information?
These guys have been up to this before.
 
I emailed a real easy question and still have no answer, but then again they may have stirred too much email up.
 
We'll see if if he keeps it shareware or open source.
 
 
It appears the current and voltage have changed many times in their write-ups and video's.
Also they state they use 10% ferrous oxide in the base epoxy to aid the capacitance?
 
Still there is 55 PSI of pressure and no explaination for this.
The pressure is not coming from those tubes its coming from somewhere else. (my opinion).
I looked at this and sent a small question about the PWM to them.
They have the same email provider as I do and I'm interested if I get a answer back.
 
I checked the pictures and somehow it all doesn't add up yet.
They run the CCPWM at 15hz its a standard motor controller type and he stated in the video they changed a chip on the CCPWM but in reality you have to change a capacitor.
They give the sizing on the tubes and also state the inside set is 4 octives lower than the outset sets, also give the mm gapping.
 
When they energize the tube sets it still took several minutes to get 5psi. So it appears to me the pressure of the tube set does not rise by iotself without any outside force of pressure.
Makes me wonder then if after the engine starts that exhaust pressure is redirected into the tubeset container.
Also where does it show that they have 55a 3volt meaning I did not see the transformer.
 
There are a few things unanswered here.
 
This is interesting although some questions need answering.
 
Its nice to see some discussion on this.
My 2 cents:

The point where you create the ionization or static field should be an enclosed body where all the mixing takes place also, depending on what you are trying to accomplish.
In other words you don't want the field of the static or ionization to travel to another point far away to mix it or not to use the whole field up.

If you ionize air its to create an effect. Lets say you want some exhaust recirculated with this air and maybe some H2.
All of these would go into a mixing manifold with a easy needle valve or control point to create the fuel and use the whole effect of the charged energy.
That would be one type setup. Easier to start and understand this than doing it all in a injector that needs to be developed anyway.
I see a lot more safety in doing this with just the injector.

Depending on the strength of the ionization lets say of air, the static field can saturate the ground frame metal of the vehicle and that static field will shock you every time you exit the vehicle as you are in the surrounding ambient air. It will discharge through you the moment your hand is removed from the door.
I have seen this is why I bring it up.
Because of this in my opinion if you make a large static field in whatever embodiment you should use it all up to create your chosen effect.
If there are many charged electrons find a way to use them so they don't saturate the ground plane, as you will end up anyway trying to find a way to discharge a saturated field you made.

A point of how much is needed and control it so no excess is going unused.

The only way to find this out is to make something and test it, so koodo's to Steve for getting started on the high voltage.
There's most likely a big difference from a table-top setup to a vehicle setup. 
Gauss that was a impressive video above.
 
Did he start that motor on just the cold geet. (how can it be?)
If so thats fantastic, I'm blown away at the simplicity.
 
Steve get building, I'm sure we all would love to see your results with Geet technology.
Not trying to be pushy or rude.
Just would be that much nicer the process is done and tested right here.
 
Best of luck and hope its as simple as it does appear.   

Daniel Dingle Patent Found

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Was wondering about the honeycomb grid if its stainless.
Then underneath is the bismuth and Neo magnets that make up the positive section.
Does anyone have the capability of using bismuth and neodymium as one electrode?

In Dingles first page of the application he states nuclear energy and that's where the bismuth must come in maybe?

Bismuth is a chemical element with symbol Bi and atomic number 83. Bismuth, a pentavalent poor metal, chemically resembles arsenic and antimony. Elemental bismuth may occur naturally, although its sulfide and oxide form important commercial ores. The free element is 86% as dense as lead. It is a brittle metal with a silvery white color when freshly produced, but is often seen in air with a pink tinge owing to surface oxidation. Bismuth is the most naturally diamagnetic and has one of the lowest values of thermal conductivity among metals.

Bismuth metal has been known from ancient times, although until the 18th century it was often confused with lead and tin, which share some physical properties. The etymology is uncertain, but possibly comes from Arabic bi ismid, meaning having the properties of antimony[2] or German words weisse masse or wismuth ("white mass"), translated in the mid sixteenth century to New Latin bisemutum.[3]

Bismuth has long been considered as the element with the highest atomic mass that is stable. However, it was recently discovered to be slightly radioactive: its only primordial isotope, bismuth-209, decays with a half life more than a billion times the estimated age of the universe.[4]

No other metal is verified to be more naturally diamagnetic than bismuth.[11][14] (Superdiamagnetism is a different physical phenomenon.) Of any metal, it has one of the lowest values of thermal conductivity (after manganese, and maybe neptunium and plutonium) and the highest Hall coefficient.[15] It has a high electrical resistance.[11] When deposited in sufficiently thin layers on a substrate, bismuth is a semiconductor, rather than a poor metal.[16]

The only primordial isotope of bismuth, bismuth-209, was traditionally regarded as the heaviest stable isotope, but it had long been suspected[29] to be unstable on theoretical grounds. This was finally demonstrated in 2003, when researchers at the Institut d'Astrophysique Spatiale in Orsay, France, measured the alpha emission half-life of 209Bi to be 1.9×1019 years,[30] over a billion times longer than the current estimated age of the universe. Owing to its extraordinarily long half-life, for all presently known medical and industrial applications, bismuth can be treated as if it is stable and nonradioactive. The radioactivity is of academic interest because bismuth is one of few elements whose radioactivity was suspected and theoretically predicted, before being detected in the laboratory. Bismuth has the longest known alpha decay half-life, although tellurium-128 has a double beta decay half-life of over 2.2×1024 years.[31]

This is an interesting metal.