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Stanley Meyer a fraud?

#9 ·

 
I think the reason why there have been so few successful replications is due to the amount of knowledge it would take to engineer the VIC coil and driving circuitry, not to mention the resources.
 
We have almost all the info and specs on the circuits and the 5 coil vic but it's still not easy to replicate. And even then we know it took 10 of these units just to power the small 50HP buggy engine.
 
Stan Meyer began his work in the mid 1970s and died in 1998. Over 20 years of work and he was still in the research and development phase! Just before he died he secured funding to build a research and development center. After all that work he still had not begun to sell retrofit kits.
 
In the WFC news release issue # 8 the following statement is made:
 
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Meyer has been working on the hydrogen fracturing process technology since 1980 at a cost of about 1.6 million.

That's is a huge amount of money that he spent on just one of many of the parts of his technology.
 
All the money and time Stan Meyer spent on his inventions should be enough to understand that although the theory is simple, replication is an entirely different game.
 
As smart as he seemed he did not do it all on his own. He had many people working with and for him. He cleared a way for many others by showing that it is possible but his 20+ year effort shows that it's not an easy task...

Stanley Meyer a fraud?

#4 ·

 
The people who sued Meyer were hell bent on discredtiting him.
I really think the whole thing was about revenge.
 
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Their three prime "Expert Witnesses" were Plaintiff's Electronic Expert, Michael Leverich, Rick Schneider and Ron Dockweiler. They attempted to prove that the WFC process was not new and revolutionary, but only electrolysis, and that the Voltage Intensifier Circuit(VIC) did not exist, contrary to WFC patent verification as so confirmed via Plaintiff's Dispostion To-Test.

If you read the first part of the WFC Public notice to inform you'll find the story about Rick Schneider, I have included it below.
 
EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS AND THE POST ABOVE FROM THE WFC PUBLIC NOTICE TO INFORM, it is worth the time. It explains the whole court case in a way which is obvious as to what was really going on.
 
 
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The Rick Schneider Affair[/q]
2. Rick Schnieder falsely claiming to be a certified FAA agent and fully qualified FAA master aircraft machinist.
 
On 30 October 1990, Stan Meyer approved a WFC Dealership Contract Agreement requiring a $40,000 deposit and other expense monies to be paid by Rick toward project expenses and signed by Richard (Rick) Schnieder, owner of the Bushmaster Management Company. This WFC Dealership work performance agreement was for the sole purpose of obtaining a Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) certification of the WFC Water Fuel Injection System (R) on an Alaskan Bushmaster Aircraft with a Mazda Internal Combustion (IC) engine. Rick had purported himself to be a master machinist and one of only six certified FAA agents who could certify the Bushmaster for airworthiness once changes were made to the fuel supply system of the aircraft. 
 
 3. Gilvesy, Brooks, and Dockweiler being business affiliated with Rick on A55/A21 Gunderman project, a competitive fuel additive product out of Reno Neveda.
 
In return for his assistance for FAA certification, Rick would receive the WFC Dealership rights to install the WFC Water Fuel Injection System (R) on the Mazda aircraft I.C. Engine for the U.S. market only. The deposit payment on behalf of Rick Schnieder was provided by check by William (Bill) Brooks, wealthy race car driver, who also expressed (later) an interest in retrofitting the WFC Injection System (R) to a specially designed Corvette that had held the world's land speed record and posibly a turbine jet aircraft. A third party, John Gilvesey, a Canadian businessman, wanted the right to manage WFC Central Operating for Canada for land transport, namely cars. However, no subsequent agreements with Bill Brooks were ever signed with WFC. John Gilvesey had no assigned aviation rights to WFC. Gilvesey and Brooks are also, business affiliated with Rick on the A55/A21 Gunderman fuel additive project. The Jet Commander was titled to Brooks and his wife and not belonging to Rick as rick claimed on BBC video tape.
 
4. FAA official notification that Bushmaster aircraft not permitted to fly due to Rick uncertified modification.. causing Alaskan pilot passenger death.
 
  Rick had moved to Washington Courthouse (WCH), Ohio from Alaska and, subsequently, rented hangar space at the WCH Airport to machine WFC parts from drawings provided by Stan Meyer in supposed preparation to fly the Bushmaster with the WFC Water Fuel Injectors (R) at the Oshkosh, Wisconsin Air Show in late September 1992 or possibly in 1993. This could occur if Rick could officially obtain FAA certification of the WFC Water Fuel Injectors (R) on behalf of WFC. In a later investigation with the FAA, it was found that Rick was not associated with the FAA, and was involved in a $1.3 Million lawsuit concerning a September 1991 Bushmaster crash that caused the death of a passenger. It was alleged that Rick had made uncertified modifications to ther Bushmaster which he sold to the plaintiff/pilot, Daniel Herman. Consequently, FAA in January 1992 notified Rick that the Bushmaster was officially grounded and not permitted to fly. WFC investigations revealed that other alleged litigations against Rick involved claim jumping titles to aircraft, claim jumping the development rights of Tundra Tires, claim jumping the development rights of the Alaskan Bushmaster aircraft out of Canada, claim jumping development rights of the Mazda I.C. Engine for aircraft out of Japan, claim jumping the rights of a goldmine, and claim jumping FAA type cast certificates by falsifying US Government documents.
 
5. Rick Motive: defame WFC publicly but secretly to sell out WFC for gain of profit. 
 
 By signed affidavit, Linda Russel, money broker for foreign investors in the US, stated that on 6 February 1992, she signed a Consultant Sales Agreement with Rick Schnieder to sell the Bushmaster Management Company....including the Alaskan Bushmaster aircraft with the Mazda I.C. Engine. He also asked Linda to solicit foreign capital for the purpose of selling WFC marketing and licensing rights. Rick stated that Stan had given Rick a special (secret) cotract that gave him worldwide marketing rights to WFC. Apparently, Rick was unaware that Linda had purchased a WFC Dealership (several years before) and knew that Stan had refused a $280 Million offer for the rights to the WFC Technology. Linda asked Rick to write out a marketing plan for the sale of WFC marketing rights, which he did in her persence. Rick also explained his share of the sellout would be one percent of everything sold over the world. However, current WFC dealership would be out, since whoever controlled the licensing rights has control. (Rick Motive: defame WFC publicly but secretly sell out WFC for gain of profit.)
 
6. Rick falsly claiming to have WFC ownership rights to foreign investors.
 
   In actuality, no WFC documentations shows any such written agreement was ever consummated to sign over the marketing and licensing rights of WFC to Rick Schnieder or to any other person(s) for any reasons. Stan still maintains full and complete ownership rights to the Water Gilvesey, Bill Brooks, Forrest Harper and Ron Dockweiler, a Michigan businessman, WFC dealer, and a member of A55/A21 Schneider group. WFC successfully defended itself against all these bogus charges by providing it's well documented records and evidence of proper filing with the state of Ohio Securities and Exchange Commission under oath of hearing.   
 
10. Rick's bogus claims to WFC rights dismissed by plaintiffs since filed charges have been proven by WFC as having no merit of truth.
 
   A complaint against Stan Meyer and WFC was filed on 4 August 1993 by Richard (Rick) Schneider, Bill Brooks, and John Gilvesey in Frankiln County, Ohio Common Pleas Court (Case No. 93CVH08-5477). Using the Dealership Contract Agreement as bogus proof, they stated they had the contractual right to enter into and complete systems engineering, manufacturing, and marketing of aviation systems using the WFC Technology. They said Stan did not honor this claim by providing the appropriate data and support, and therefore, this group filed for breach of contract and fraud and over $2 Million each for compensatory and punitive damages. On 27 December 1993, WFC countersued for $6.5 Million for compensatory damages and $2.5 for punitive damages. This suit charged that Schneider, Brooks and Gilvesy violated the WFC Dealership Contract Agreement by attempting to make, sell and utilize a patented WFC device without the written permission of Stan Meyer and that Brooks and Gilvesy were possible co-conspirators with Rick Schneider in the 8 August 1992 illegal seizure of WFC systems by gunpoint. In May 1994, WFC received a Notice of Dismissal of the lawsuit against WFC from the attorneys representing the plaintiffs.
 
11. Rick falsely claims title to Gilvesy Airplane. Gilvesy sues Rick for claim jumping title.
 
  On 16 August 1995, Project Design and Management Inc. and John Gilvesy brought suit against Rick Schneider for the conversion of their Lockheed L-60 aircraft for his own use (Case No. W95 0259 CVH). The suit states that Rick attempted to deprive the plaintiffs of their ownership rights by registering the L-60 in a company that he controlled (claim jumping) and then attempted to sell the aircraft to a third party.
 
12. Gunderman counter sues Rick for falsely claiming aviation rights to fuel additive project.
 
   The complexity of these lawsuits to control energy technology is not limited only to WFC. On 17 September 1993, Rick Schneider met with Rudolph Gunderman, the inventor of A-55/A21, a new fuel additive. In a 20 September 1993 letter from Rudolph to Rick, Rudolph outlined the terms under which Rick could become a limited partner in the A55 venture. On 29 March 1995, a Complaint and Demand for Jury Trial (Case No. W95 0094 CUH) was entered by Rick against Rudolph. Rick stated that Rudolph had accepted $25,000 to give Rick the rights to expand and develope the A-55 technology for aircraft applications. Since Rudolph had refused to perform his obligations, Rick wanted payment of fair value for services rendered and monetary relief for injury. It is the understanding of WFC that Rudolph has countersued and the matter is still under court review.
 
12. Rick supposedly diverted A55/A21 investor funds to an offshore bank account for personal use.   
 
Harper supposedly being the fund raiser for the A55/A21 Schneider group. IRS and FSE investigating. However, WFC has also learned that, during 1993, Rick convinced over 100 investors, many in the WCH, Ohio area, that he had the marketing rights to A55/A21 and that he raised $1.54 Million for investment in this venture. This investment group has become known as the Schneider Group. It is to be noted the A-55/ A21 Technology is in direct competition with the WFC Technology. WFC expects that when the Water Fuel Water Injection System(s) (R) come on the market, there will be little demand for A-55/21, since it is a mixture of water and naptha, a petroeum by-product. Also, it is believed that Rick has now been dropped from the Schneider Group. Reportedly by IRS, the bulk sum of the raised monies were diverted by Rick to an offshore bank account in the Cannin Islands.
 
13. A55/A21 members, Harper/Willis, directed by Rick tries unsuccessfully to invalidate WFC Dealership Contract.
 
During August 1993, WFC received a letter from Forrest Harper, a WFC Dealer (and a member of the A-55/21 Schneider Group) that he wanted his dealership down payment returned because he had cancer. Stan informed Harper by certified letter that WFC would attempt to resell his dealership as per agreed WFC Policy... even though Stan knew Forrest's involvement with Rick, including his immediate presence during the 8 August 1992 hostile theat on Stan's life. Forrest had notified Stan by telefax that if he did not return the funds within ten days, he would sue WFC for fraud. Subsequently, WFC recieved Summons dated 21 September 1993 (Case No. CVH 930292) against WFC by Forrest Harper and Richard Willis, another WFC Dealer, A-55/A21 Group member and friend of Forrest's. Forrest and Richard stated that they had bought their dealerships because of fraudulent statements by Stan Meyer claiming the WFC was a new technology and a revolutionary alternate energy system. They demanded $25,000 for compensatory damages, $25,000 for punitive damages, and their attorney fees together with interest and costs.
 
14. Rick tries unsuccessfully to decieve the U.S. Federal Security & Exchange by falsley claiming WFC business rights.
 
  In a 11 November 1993 letter to the Common Pleas Court of Feyette County, Ohio, Stan denied the allegations and asked for $333,929 in compensatory damages and $279,250 in punitive damages. He stated that Forrest Harper and Richard Willis were in direct violation of the WFC Dealership Terms of Agreement, that Forrest Harper violated Inventor Stan Meyer's patent rights by attempting to make, sell and utilize a WFC patented device without written permission and that Forrest Harper was under investigation as a coconspirator in the "hostile takeover attempt and illegal seizure by gunpoint of the two duplicate WFC Water Fuel Injection systems by Rick Schneider...since U.S. Federal Security & Exchange calls were recieved by WFC indicating Rick bogus attempt to sell WFC technology to foreign investors, supposedly one business group out of Japan and another business source in London, England.[/c]

 
 
Tonywoodside,

Thank you for the video. I have a few questions though...

What causes the amplitude to modulate high and low?

How does the ac make it to the cap when the circuit
has a diode in it?

The reason why I am wondering is because I have
 built the circuit in multisim. I get ac across the cokes
and a step charging dc voltage across the water capacitor.
Seems to me the multisim version is working as it should, however
I must point out that multisim cannot replicate it exactly.

Artinvegas

#4 ·

I have been chatting with Artinvegas on that group lately. He recently mentioned that in one of the water fuel injection setups of Stan Meyer the exhuast gasses were circulated through the gas processor....And once I thought about this it made perfect sense...
 
In the Tech Brief Stan explains that when the water is disassociated and burned it returns to water with a lower form of energy. The water can then absorb photon energy to be re-energized for re-use....
 
From what Art said I believe that when the exhaust gasses are circulated through the GP the GP performs the following:
-Re-energizes the molecules by way of photon absorption
-Disassociates the molecules
-Ionizes the atoms using the EEC
 
Art explained this in one of his posts....He said that the gasses were mixed in the GP then went through the intake and into the cylinders where the water mist from the water fuel injectors was then added to accelerate the combustion (Still done understand this as he also said that the injectors disassociated the water)....He also stated that Stan added a small amount of ammonia to the water to ensure enough nitrogen was present to reduce the combustion speed.
 
 
Just some interesting info I thought you all might like to know.
 
Here's the link http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/meyer_wfc_replication/

Custom u cores anyone?

#5 ·

Has anyone tried to find a place to buy ferrite
in sheets? looking at stan's and u core's
that others have done they look like they were
cut from a sheet.

Artinvegas

#2 ·

Interesting, what site was this originally posted at?

HHO "Quenching Tube" info

#2 ·

Very interesting,
 
The one question I would have is what kind of material was Meyer's tube made from?
I know he states in a video and the Tech Brief that the quenching discs are made from alumina ceramic.
Was the tube full of tiny alumina discs to make it flexible? Or was the entire tube the same material?

WFC VIC

#368 ·

Outlaw, what program did you use to design your board?

WFC VIC

#365 ·

Can someone explain to me why the cell driver circuit uses 4 transistors instead of only 1?
Is it just used to amplify the signal so the tip120 has full conduction?

WFC VIC

#322 ·

Does anyone have a schematic with component values for the resonant scanning cirucit. I'm trying it on multisim 11 (student version) and it's not working. All I'm getting is a constant frequency output from the 4066?
I'm sure there are a few here who are wondering why a 30v power supply was used.
The reason is likely because the transformer was operated at higher frequencies than it was
designed for, the higher the frequency the higher the xl (primary impedance) so in order to drive the transformer properly a higher voltage is necessary.

WFC VIC

#316 ·

Tony, Awesome replication.
 
What did the inductance of each coil come out to be?
 

Daniel Dingel Circuit

#9 ·

Cool, I didn't know the plates were lead. Interesting.

 I think dingle gives out quite a bit of info, to the point where he almost makes it obvious as to what he's doing. I'm suprised that he has allowed so many people to take pictures and videos of his devices.

I would explain what I've learned recently that will allow easy water splitting, but as I stated above I'm not willing to share it, there's just too many people on the net I don't trust. I think as soon as someone gives out info on how to build something it will be stolen, they'll steal others credit, patent their devices and cause many problems. For that I like a few others here will not share what I have learned...All I'll say is it's all in the  tech brief, and it's not really all that complicated.

Daniel Dingel Circuit

#8 · date not recorded

From what I have learned about him, he used an old battery to build it. He may be using the actual battery plates as voltage zones. I'm not sure what battery plates are made of, or if they are able to handle being exposed to hydrogen gas though.

H2opower seems to have a lot of info about dingle, maybe he's got it figured out already.

I think he may also be ionizing the hydrogen gas as well, as when he shows his cell working it dosen't look like it's producing that much. If he were ionizing the gas he would need less of it as we all know.

Also I believe he replaced his fuel injectors with a type of vacuum check valve to allow the entrance of hydrogen into the engine. In one of his videos it shows some round gold colored devices in place of his injectors, most likely as I stated before they are just a type of check valve which can handle high heat and pressure.

Daniel Dingel Circuit

#7 · date not recorded

I have to say, you guys are getting very close to figuring this out. I posted a while back about using an ignition coil but the idea I had did not work so I erased it, I know why it did not work but am not willing to share it at this time. However it's all in the tech brief. You guys are getting very close, trust me.

In my ign coil experiments I was able to charge the water, and even charge the containenr that the water was held in with a strong electrostatic charge.

Of course other things were figured out during these expirements but I am not willing to talk about them.
Like I said before, study the Tech Brief, it's simple, think simply as you study it...It's really pretty plain and easy stuff once you figure it out.

Daniel Dingel Circuit

#4 · date not recorded

So has anyone built this circuit and has success with it?

I myself have built ignition coil drivers but never split water using them......
I had the 93 colorado video a while back but lost it. It's on youtube but cut into about 20 pieces of 4 minutes each.

Does anyone know where I can get the full length 93 colorado video?
There are 3 differential valves: One for ionized air, one for EGR, and the other is for filtered air from the filter housing.
 
A fitting below the throttle body provides engine vacuum, this is what pulls the different gasses into the engine through the differential solenoids (needle type valves).
 
It think the butterfly valve was also modified since water disassociation releases enough oxygen to provide a stoichiometric ratio. Stan states in the TB that the 2:1 stoichiometric ratio is maintained throughout the engines operating range.