Thanks Don, I thought I read somewhere that the ID of the delrin case was 6", and the height was 9". Just trying to figure out what size it might have been. It seems like most of his components were smaller than they look.
So did the outer tube slide into another delrin sleeve to completly cover it?
Recently I have been trying to determine the exact size of the Water Fuel Cell Resonant Cavity. The one in which all the tubes are covered with delrin sleeves. So far I know that the inner rods are 4" in length, .5" ID, and the outer tube is .75" ID and 3" in length. But what about the delrin housing itself that held all the rods, and the delrin sleeves which covered each rod?
In the VIC control circuits gating is one method which is used to control gas production, another reason for gating is to remove the free electrons in the wfc using the eec during the gate time. Are there any other reasons for gating the VIC?
I think what may be happening is that during the first pulse the molecule splits, atoms become ions and are deflected, and then the polarity changes on the next pulse, then the ions are deflected in the opposite direction and the atoms (which are still part of molecules) are deflected toward each other and collide.
I think there is both ion-molecule collision and molecule-molecule collision. I will try to use of of Meyer's diagrams later and draw this out so it can be better understood.
Oh BTW, Stan states in the tech brief (oage 1-7) that during the off time (gating period) the + ions recapture the free electrons in the water bath.
I definately think the changing polarity was utilized to produce more gas as it makes the dynamic forces even greater. The Tech brief shows a table of gas production when the voltage is stationary vs switching (Static Vs Dunamic) that shows the stationary voltage produces less gas.
Tony W's VIC waveforms show AC which is 180 degrees out pf phase at each connection.
In a series circuit with a diode there will be no AC. However, the coils themselves have a capacitance which turns them into parallel tank circuits. Whether or not there is a diode in the circuit the parallel tank circuits will oscillate and create AC.
The 180 degree out of phase ac at the voltage zones means that when one voltage zone is positive the other will be negative and with each pulse the voltage zones will change polarity. In this case the water molecules will be stretched but will also collide. This seems to resonate with what Stan Meyer has termed "Resonant Action" in which collision causes disassociation? Although when Meyer mentions "Resonant Action" he seems to be talking more about ions colliding with the molecules?
What do you guys think, is the polarity changing with each pulse?
Don, I'd have to double check to be sure but I think diodes are switched by a difference in potential (.7V) and not current flow.
In the wfc vic the secondary coil is the same size as each choke. All hit resonance at the same frequency and all coils produce ac. So if you place a probe at ether side of the diode you'll see the ac from the nearest coil.
Your right about the diode limiting current to one direction, but in the vic there are 2 kinds of current flow. One is line current which is the current which flows through all components. The other is due to the coils equivalent circuit which is a parallel lc circuit. So all coils have a circulating current which is where the ac comes from.
So, from what I have learned there are a few ways you can build the steam resonator. -You can use Tony's circuit which is kinda like a halfbridge driver. -You can build a fullbridge driver to switch the polarity at the primary coil -Or you can switch the polarity directly at the resonator.
Switching the polarity at the secondary side (directly at the resonator) gives the most flexibility as this way you can drive the coil at a constant frequency. This way changing the switching frequency will not change the impedance of the coil, and you can switch the polarity as fast as you want. I'm not sure if Meyer used 'Dead time' between switching or if that was why he had those high watt resistors to prevent the short circuit during the swictching overlap. The Tech Brief diagrams do show dead time though. Trying to figure out how to add it to the driving circuit???
I think Meyer's water heating is more along the lines of using electrostatic forces to cause oscillation, about the same way a microwave does. Personally I think those patents are right on, but they don't provide any diagrams. The explanation they give though fits right in with Meyer's. I think the only difference is Meyer used resonance to reduce the power requirements.
Don stated the steam resonator driver circuit was the exact same as all the circuits used to drive the resonant cavities. From the picture we know the steam resonator VIC (the buggy one) had 3 seperate coils, so we have a primary coil, a secondary coil, and a pulse pickup coil.
I tend to think the primary coil is the one connected to the FWB since it is the heaviest gauge. And the secondary coil is connected to the NPN/PNP transistors. The connections from the transistors to the steam resonator tubes are not there. I think the wire ends not connected to anything are the pulse pickup coil. I think the FWB may have been used to protect the primary driving transistor from HV spikes but in that case I wonder why regular diodes weren't just used?
As I was searching the net for scientific papers on water oscillation I came across 2 patents in which coencentric stainless steel tubes have an oscillating frequency passing through them to heat water....Looks like these poeple were using the same methods as Meyer was to heat water.
Attached are the two patents....Only a quick read will reveal that these patents used the same tech as Meyer to heat water....Further study opens up questions on ion-drag as a way to heat dielectric materials (water) using a low frequency oscillating source.
Here's a quote from the first patent I attached from the "Summary of the invention"
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The chamber has an inner stainless steel tube about which the water flows. Surrounding both the inner stainless steel tube and the flowing water is an outer stainless steel tube. The two coencentric stainless steel tubes are used as electrodes that are connected to a source of electrical oscillations. As the water passes between the two stainless steel tubes, these electrical oscillations are impresses upon the flowing water so that the water may be heated.
So, anyone know what those high watt resistor values are, the 4 from the pic I posted earlier That had the coil, a bridge rectifier, and 4 transistors.
I think your 100% correct on that. The cell is not a capacitor. Perhaps if any kind of resonance was used it was the resonace of the coil, used for current limiting?
I agree, I think the steam resonator did not need high voltages. I think the switching frequency is more important. I do think the high voltage could be used but I don't think it was necessary. The steam res coil pic posted on the first page has sk3180 transistors which are only 80V transistors.
From the measurements and calculations I've done on that coil it's a got a 1:6 turns ratio. 12V input 72V out.
BTW your right about the home heating unit....Much more information there, thanks for pointing that out.
Edit: I bet the people who bought all of Stan's stuff will be developing the steam resonator units. Hopefully they will get it to market within the next few years. I'm sick of paying 150$ gas bills every month to heat my house! The only problem I see is them getting a patent on it.
Yeah I know, but one of the cells inside it was a steam reasonator, and the VIC used for it I thought was the card on the back left of that picture?
Gotta keep the cell water from freezing also.
BTW Don, the pics you gave us of the inside of the res cavity, I think the steam resonator tube is the shiny one, it's the only one that's been cleaned by the steam! Unless that tube was never connected to anything I think it was the steam resonator.
In the buggy there were 2 steam resonators. 1 in the water tank and 1 in the resonant cavity.
2 of the wires from the coil connect to a set of 2 high watt resistors. Each resistor connects to a NPN and PNP transistor. This seems to suggest that the coil operates on AC.
In an NPN transistor current flows one way while in a PNP transistor current will flow the opposite direction. NPN transistors are typically places between the load and ground, while PNP transistors are placed between the source and the load.
From the drawings it appears that the plates in the steam resonator are not the load, the high watt resistors are. From the drawing below the plates appear to simply be a conductor?