why Stanley used Higher Voltage....
Started by unknown · · 27 posts · last reply 15 September 2024
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the higher the voltage, the faster the electrons move. This is because the electric field increases their kinetic energy. -
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Yes… i think so too..
but the mean free path limit that speed dissipating…
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Yes, that true.
I think that the effect that we are looking for, is the electron avalance...
The old documents all state that we need to align the molecules first.
Thats the electrolysis part, even if it is just for a very short periode in thime.
Then the BEMF pulse from all coils involved come quickly afterwards and hit the electrons from the molecules, as stated by Stan.And there is the where the overunity effects comes from.
The electron avalance.
cheers!
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I don't agree. Current is the number of electrons through a cross section per unit time. Stanley prevented the current, that is, made it less than 1 ampere.
For Faraday electrolysis, electrons are useful, so the current there is up to 20 amperes and higher. For Meyer's voltrolysis, electrons are harmful, so it was made at less than 1 ampere -
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He restricted but according to himself he had what he called a leakage current … and the output gas was a geometric progression of the current input! Meaning more than one conversion per electron used.. -
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The tv episode Mythbusters - called "Exploding Pants" is purchasable, and is about running a car engine on vertical water cell hooked to the carburetor, was a deliberate NEGATIVE set up. I counted 14 built in mistakes to not allow engine to run on hydrogen. The electrical circuit that was to be used was really called "The Hydrostar". The complete original design is on Internet for sale. I have paper manual , but it's now being sold as a computer disc. Mythbusters did not use proper design, nor did they implement the required magnetic wire coil. Even gas engines use air as part of the blend. Their carb was completely closed off. Real usable energy related material will never be shown on tv, local newspaper or on radio general news. You have to your own research and see what others have already done. The man who designed Hydrostar was one of Stan Meyer's technicians in Ohio before Meyer was poisoned . Chambers went to Canada and filed Canadian + US Patent on modified version of Meyer's work. His Xogen company had showed a display of HIS unit for publicity. The magnetic field energizes the rising ions in solution and increases energy content. Circular concentric pipe electrodes are superior to flat plate electrodes. Pulse quick current only for ALIGNMENT of water molecules polarity. Then pipes hit with high voltage DC pulses for way overunity hydrogen and oxygen gas. (No electrolysis at all)- that's old technology as of now. The Patent pages don't state it but, if flipping drawings pages back + forth , you can see it's easily done as connecting the wires of pipes to the resultant flyback high voltage coming from the wire coil. !! Hydrostar US Patent 6126794 by Chambers as studied and read for free on Internet.
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The old water car plans used this patent as a base… they use a toroidal coil over the cell pulsing in the plans
Very interesting that saint Clair says it can distort space time with this configuration -
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Spectacular Meyer Cell Blows Away All Other Designs Of Making Hydrogen Gas!
The Stanley Meyer Patented hydrogen generator cell was the best method for generating usable hydrogen gas fuel from plain water ever invented. Efficiency % was in the thousands. (that means overunity) The several Patents have run out and are in public domain. This means you can study/ build cells. Don't listen to naysayers. Read/study the tech data for yourself. (no electrolysis at all) Small units for use or for blast furnaces of industry. There were 3 levels of this. Books - Birth of new technology + water fuel cell company manual. See what others have done as bench tested. A coined common expression had been given for this as -- Voltrolysis. Go!
Stan Meyer's helper technician Chambers fled to Canada and started his own company called Xogen and filed Patent for his version , since he knew about previous work. The small unit written up as construction manual was called HYDROSTAR. He had purposely left out the pertinent details about the coil flyback high volts generated in both Patent and the released manual.I have the original paper printed manual. Ebay sells disc for this, but no details on high volts. Most Patents don't divulge exact every small detail required , except for the Horvath Patents.
Others have requested, in the past, on how the original Hydrostar Hydrogen Generator had the pulses divided down to get 20Htz from 20,000 htz main oscillator. That was for going to the toroid coil for magnetic field pulses into the rising ions of solution. The IC CD4059AE can be used for that, as well as a divider for 1000 cycles down to 1 per second, for a flashing LED, so as verification that the main oscillator is in working state for your other circuits. Ic available on Internet Ebay. The full manual is available on disc. The ferrite toroid core wire coil is too much trouble to make, but can be purchased completed, or a 2 piece ferrite UU core set could be used, so as getting a closed flux core, and WAY easier wire winding. The Hydrostar circuit was an offshute of the Meyer resonance cell by Chambers . He used to work as tech engineer for Meyer in Ohio. He fled to Canada and filed Patent for HIS version of the circuit. The Patent omits notation of flyback coil high voltage connected to the Main electrode pipes water capacitance cell. He says the magnetic field circuit increases energy content of fuel gases emitted, by spinning the ions in different direction. Hydrostar was purposely then JUST A MODIFIED circuit to only increase car gasoline mileage by introducing Hydrogen and oxygen for about 25% increase in gas mileage.
The divider IC circuit itself does work. I use it to verify my Dr. Clark Zapper has the oscillator working as led flash per second from 1000 cycles.
attachment_17173 Hydrostar circuit divide by 1000.png
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Chambers was trying to change the spin direction of the hydrogen atoms ...
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If you have low current at the cell, the voltage at the cell will be Current (I) x Cell resistance (R).
For an 100Ohms cell, you need 1 amp to give you 100V.
Someone need to demonstrate how to violate ohms law first to assure that he had high voltage at the cell.
It is impossible to reach kV ratings in an 80Ohms cell using miliamps... And there is no phase shift between current and voltage at the cell... -
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The Stan Meyer Patents refer to new technology, without any electrolysis at all.You have to study the literature from Ohio. Books- the birth of new technology, and Water Fuel Cell company Manual. They also list the Patents by number for study. 3 seconds on one amp TRANSFORMER PRIMARY, then secondary lower high volts to high ohms resistance cell as used ONLY for polarity alignment of water molecules. Then 7 seconds off. (pulsed burst mode) During off time, flyback WAY high volts hits > than 1500volts PRESSURE that pops apart the water molecules easily to ionized atoms as H+ H+ O- - . (more energy than H2 + O2.) The more complicated later final circuit uses laser light to excite the outer Oxygen orbital electrons to further outer level, , and then can be removed by wire flow, to make an even more unstable content gases that can be fired as usual in engine for greater energy output or in blast furnace. (over unity) This state then,NAME of fuel- is company Patented and is called Thermo Explosive Energy.. The L inductors and Cap of plain water cell resonates at same frequency of input high frequency ferrite transformer initiator. The concentric tubes also slightly vibrate. The higher resistance of water, the more gases evolve. Three levels of design of hydrogen generator.
There was talk way back in time of the sale of large volume of units sold to US government for warehouse storage, until the oil supplies started to run out for energy for the US.
See also data regarding fluid level sensors for industrial plant of large liquid vats. They use capacitance of liquid and frequency resonance to determine inside fluid level. -
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Sure, I need to study more, sorry for beign so stupid.
Its obvious that Stans tech have nothing to do with ALL current stablished physics laws, he made his own laws of course. How can I be so stupid?
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If you have low current at the cell, the voltage at the cell will be Current (I) x Cell resistance (R).
For an 100Ohms cell, you need 1 amp to give you 100V.
Someone need to demonstrate how to violate ohms law first to assure that he had high voltage at the cell.
It is impossible to reach kV ratings in an 80Ohms cell using miliamps... And there is no phase shift between current and voltage at the cell...
You are thinking correctly.
Watch Ravi's channel where he shows the white coating on the pipes. This plaque, or rather its resistance, increases the voltage at low current.
There are about 5 methods to reduce the current to 0.001 ampere, but they must be used all together and synchronize their work with each other
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If you have low current at the cell, the voltage at the cell will be Current (I) x Cell resistance (R).
For an 100Ohms cell, you need 1 amp to give you 100V.
Someone need to demonstrate how to violate ohms law first to assure that he had high voltage at the cell.
It is impossible to reach kV ratings in an 80Ohms cell using miliamps... And there is no phase shift between current and voltage at the cell...
You are thinking correctly.
Watch Ravi's channel where he shows the white coating on the pipes. This plaque, or rather its resistance, increases the voltage at low current.
There are about 5 methods to reduce the current to 0.001 ampere, but they must be used all together and synchronize their work with each other
You are right, I already saw that at Ravi's channel, but all of Stans tubes have no white coating on it, so he must be using another technique...
Another point is that we cant use anything between the tubes and the water as insulator. A capacitor polarization occurs at the dieletric. Our aim here is to have displacement charges at the water, which should be our "dielectric". Anything in between will be charged instead of charging the water. -
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As recently i tried to point
Adding a foil Of Mylar roled between the concentric cells Force the Electric field 90degrees and lengthen it
Suming with magnetic fields
Bang
Now its high resistance -
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As recently i tried to point
Adding a foil Of Mylar roled between the concentric cells Force the Electric field 90degrees and lengthen it
Suming with magnetic fields
Bang
Now its high resistance
Well, there is no evidence that Stan put anything between his tubes and water. You'll charge the mylar instead of charging the water, which I think is not the objective here. Insulating the tubes avoids current flow, which I believe is necessary (even a few miliamps).
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Read the US Patents by Meyer, and his 2 BOOKS! . It is stated that the voltrolysis electrode concentric tubes have a premade coating installed first, so as there is greater resistance through the water. The polarization still works. Also Meyer did not use standard insulated copper magnet wire on the ferrite transformer secondary side. It was RESISTANCE type wire from off a special reel , so as the end circuit has much higher resistance. The metal pipes are also special type stainless steel, so as no contaminants get into the water. (not 302). You cannot make judgements calls from off of the top of your head, without studying the tech documents.That, of course, means to spend money for some of them. Others are actually on the Internet to read for free.
He was putting very high STRESS on the molecular bonds of molecules, until instantly they EASILY fall apart. Primary and secondary transformer fires for a lowered pulse voltage, then SHUTS OFF, the flyback effect fires higher than 1500volts to separate water molecules to EXTREMELY fine bubbles + foam -flowing upward. If you see just small bubbles , that's only H2 and O2. If large bubbles are seen, that's only water vapor. If any heat is noticed, that's is also NOT A Meyer cell for the Patented name Thermo Explosive Energy. -
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Read the US Patents by Meyer, and his 2 BOOKS! . It is stated that the voltrolysis electrode concentric tubes have a premade coating installed first, so as there is greater resistance through the water. The polarization still works. Also Meyer did not use standard insulated copper magnet wire on the ferrite transformer secondary side. It was RESISTANCE type wire from off a special reel , so as the end circuit has much higher resistance. The metal pipes are also special type stainless steel, so as no contaminants get into the water. (not 302). You cannot make judgements calls from off of the top of your head, without studying the tech documents.That, of course, means to spend money for some of them. Others are actually on the Internet to read for free.
He was putting very high STRESS on the molecular bonds of molecules, until instantly they EASILY fall apart. Primary and secondary transformer fires for a lowered pulse voltage, then SHUTS OFF, the flyback effect fires higher than 1500volts to separate water molecules to EXTREMELY fine bubbles + foam -flowing upward. If you see just small bubbles , that's only H2 and O2. If large bubbles are seen, that's only water vapor. If any heat is noticed, that's is also NOT A Meyer cell for the Patented name Thermo Explosive Energy.
Meyer work has many levels, from the flat vic transformer to the SS wire injector transformer. In the flat VIC transformer, he used ordinary copper wire and had no insulation at the tubes. Could you please print and then post the picture here, where is his books or his patents where he states that: " the voltrolysis electrode concentric tubes have a premade coating installed first"? Thanks. -
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What i mean is like a rolling foil leving a spiral Chanel within the electrodes
Resistances can be increased the more turns you put in -
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What i mean is like a rolling foil leving a spiral Chanel within the electrodes
Resistances can be increased the more turns you put in
In this way you are reducing the electrode area, which will increase resistance, you are right. But is easier to make smaller electrodes then. Even though, for 1kV/10mA, you'll need a resistance of 100kOhms, which is impossible to get like this.
And again, Meyer didnt insulate or put anything in between his tubes, here lies the secret... -
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I remember reading , way back in time, about the electrostatic spray on coating for Meyer's set of SS electrodes - matching use surfaces only.. He had tested various forms such as flat plates, tall concentric single tube set, and shorter sets of multiple concentric tubes. Efficiency changed with the form.being bench tested. I will check my files on Meyer cell for further data. He may have used the coating on just certain designs. -
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I wish i could feel só sure…
Só far o know nothing About stanley cell since o Didnt meet him in life
Isdifrerent than havingsmall electrodes pretry much different
The resistances are diferent in different parta Of the cell depending what conduction mechanism is in place
And specially when resonance take placê in relacione with the magnética firlds -
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I wish i could feel só sure…
Só far o know nothing About stanley cell since o Didnt meet him in life
Isdifrerent than havingsmall electrodes pretry much different
The resistances are diferent in different parta Of the cell depending what conduction mechanism is in place
And specially when resonance take placê in relacione with the magnética firlds
Well, physics says that when you charge a capacitor, the dielectric gets polarized and displace chages to the other side. If he coated the tubes in order to increase resistance, it is the coating that is beign polarized, not the water.
All I know about the real work I got from the guys who went to Stans estate and took the pictures. In the flat vic transformer, the wires were copper, and the electrodes were plain 304 SS, no coating. As he had 10 cells wires in series, and 10 flat vic transformers in the car module, he probably connected all the 10 transformers in series in order to drive the 10 series cells. -
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The Nice part here is that both Will get polarized! Walter Will have more than one electric field acting on
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If you have low current at the cell, the voltage at the cell will be Current (I) x Cell resistance (R).
For an 100Ohms cell, you need 1 amp to give you 100V.
Someone need to demonstrate how to violate ohms law first to assure that he had high voltage at the cell.
It is impossible to reach kV ratings in an 80Ohms cell using miliamps... And there is no phase shift between current and voltage at the cell...
You are thinking correctly.
Watch Ravi's channel where he shows the white coating on the pipes. This plaque, or rather its resistance, increases the voltage at low current.
There are about 5 methods to reduce the current to 0.001 ampere, but they must be used all together and synchronize their work with each other
You are right, I already saw that at Ravi's channel, but all of Stans tubes have no white coating on it, so he must be using another technique...
Another point is that we cant use anything between the tubes and the water as insulator. A capacitor polarization occurs at the dieletric. Our aim here is to have displacement charges at the water, which should be our "dielectric". Anything in between will be charged instead of charging the water.
Water cannot be a dielectric all the time. Since it is saturated with ions. And therefore becomes a conductor.
In other words, water changes its physical properties 'dielectric-conductor'.
Stan Meyer said in one of the videos that the longer a fuel cell runs, the better it works.
It can only be one thing, calcium oxide buildup on the electrodes