Stan used AMPS, big time!

#76 · 23 Mar 2009

Lets put this subject aside for the moment , it is confusing me .

All this is confusing me .

Opposing or opposing , why is it so hard to know wich , both are incredibly different .

But when I read things like this I really feel I am right .

FreeEnergy.pdf

Dankie

#77 · 23 Mar 2009

We should remember this from good old Bearden

Something this obscure is obviously NOT propaganda .

BeardenPrecursor.pdf

outlawstc

#78 · 23 Mar 2009

sorry dankie dont mean to jump of the new subject but i was gonna post this yesterday to go with this quote from earlier post

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But remember that at a certain coil , Stan mention *non-voltage shift* , this means that both secondarys are at the same pressure level .

in this pic of the alternator schematic i made. it shows what the 180 phase in pulses are doing with the flow of electrons and holes (missing electrons atoms) i also want to emphasize on the words one directional flow.. that means holes are flowing one way while electrons flow the other way .
notice how i colored the bifilar coils to bring out there orientation.. notice the balance that can exist between the opposing charges allowing the bi filars chokes negative choke to keep all its electron clustering to output side while keeping its holes on the opposite side.. it is happy because it is attracted to the electron cluster on same side sitting next to it in the positive choke.. so there electron clustering is happening to one side as wellas the other just in seperate wires.. wouldnt that balance create a non voltage shift?

during 180 out phase the negative electron pulse hitting the negtive electron cluster in the positve copper choke.. would that not act like a off switch.. electrons hitting electrons at a diode??? so that in the next 180 in hit you are stepping up in potential because the positve choke never released its hole on switch off time..

now ask what the center tap diode (negative stainless) choke is doing 180 in and out. 180 in its giving it electrons 180 out its getting hit with a pole flop of positive potential so it is colliding with holes on both sides of the diode..

realize the balance of opposing charges and there attraction to each other..

so once these charges build up to 40kv if switched off at the primarys the choke wires still hold there pole oriented charges untill it can be consumed in the decomposition of water? remember stan stated he could turn the system on for 5 seconds and when he turned it OFF it would still produce for 94 seconds after.. he says it produces 15 times more on off time then on time..

outlawstc

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Dankie

#79 · 23 Mar 2009

Great thinking outlaw , great stuff .

Outlaw is comiong along really well .

haithar

#80 · date not recorded

outlaw, thanks for the diagram.
however i have some questions.
what is the red circle on the electron extraction? where is the copper bifilar going to?
it's also confusing that you speak on electrons and holes (positive charge i guess?) in a circuit diagram. are you referring to the technical or the physical current? that is important because of the diodes and in which direction they have to be set.

Alan

#81 · date not recorded

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where is the copper bifilar going to?

not connected

outlawstc

#82 · date not recorded

red circle is connected to positve output of copper bi filar. i feel as if they should be isolated.. but you think about it and a air gap works as good isolation but can also help perform work with air ionization.. i show only the red because for extraction of electrons thats what it passes through during extraction(no neg present).. just the positve potential.. theres still missing items in the diagram like output for the electrical stress in the hfp .. it just makes to much since to take advantage of that with the copper chokes.. since your high volts are going to be in those wires specificaly.. as for electrons and holes.. i suggest falling back to the elementary of electric. think about it this has been so easily over looked for many many years of being possible.. for some of the smartest people of our time(engineers, scientisct, etc..) there had to been a flaw/ twist in there roots that has kept them satisfied with understanding.. and i would say that it is they over look the efficency possibility in the building up of potential differences.. and i dont think they fully understand how chokes can react in a charging manner when they are bi filar wound being pulsed with a sync burst.. every sync burst its thowing off a balanced difference in both directions. holes one way and electrons the other.. meyers even said in one of his videos that people who study electric learn about deflection of electrons and chemistry only focuses on proton aspects of the atom.. theres a wall clear as day that has been established that helps keep this from happening. chemistry and electric should be united in many ways.

outlawstc

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Dankie

#83 · date not recorded

Quote from: outlawstc on March 23, 2009, 16:55:52 pm

red circle is connected to positve output of copper bi filar. i feel as if they should be isolated.. but you think about it and a air gap works as good isolation but can also help perform work with air ionization.. i show only the red because for extraction of electrons thats what it passes through during extraction(no neg present).. just the positve potential.. theres still missing items in the diagram like output for the electrical stress in the hfp .. it just makes to much since to take advantage of that with the copper chokes.. since your high volts are going to be in those wires specificaly.. as for electrons and holes.. i suggest falling back to the elementary of electric. think about it this has been so easily over looked for many many years of being possible.. for some of the smartest people of our time(engineers, scientisct, etc..) there had to been a flaw/ twist in there roots that has kept them satisfied with understanding.. and i would say that it is they over look the efficency possibility in the building up of potential differences.. and i dont think they fully understand how chokes can react in a charging manner when they are bi filar wound being pulsed with a sync burst.. every sync burst its thowing off a balanced difference in both directions. holes one way and electrons the other.. meyers even said in one of his videos that people who study electric learn about deflection of electrons and chemistry only focuses on proton aspects of the atom.. theres a wall clear as day that has been established that helps keep this from happening. chemistry and electric should be united in many ways.

outlawstc

Oh my , Outlaw has grown to be an excellent theoretical physicist .

Great to have you here outlaw

outlawstc

#84 · date not recorded

thanks dankie i have many hours of pondering. the best way to understand is perspective. you got to visualize and try to understand everything whats going on in the wires them self on a atomic level. visualize how emf can constantly displace the excitors in a multi phase set up (alternator). now remember how stan says the voltage will cause alignment in the plate material. what kind of alignment??.. now think on how there alignment could be 180 out from each other giving clockwise and counter clockwise scalar wave? the differential vortex? idk still pondering lol.

outlawstc

Dankie

#85 · date not recorded

Quote from: outlawstc on March 23, 2009, 19:08:58 pm

thanks dankie i have many hours of pondering. the best way to understand is perspective. you got to visualize and try to understand everything whats going on in the wires them self on a atomic level. visualize how emf can constantly displace the excitors in a multi phase set up (alternator). now remember how stan says the voltage will cause alignment in the plate material. what kind of alignment??.. now think on how there alignment could be 180 out from each other giving clockwise and counter clockwise scalar wave? the differential vortex? idk still pondering lol.

outlawstc

You mean the plates themselves have both magnetic *flux lines* going opposite to eachother . The thumbs rule thing , those kind of flux lines ? Perhaps they are crossing eachother and causing the elephants to go against eachother .

Perhaps he is trying to *oppose the entropy* ?

Everything is in constant motion like Bearden says ... From the infinitely big to the infinitely small .

I am intruiged by what bearden says , every dipole can keep a bit of energy and not thrown it back out in the time domain ?

Stan is talking about an *energy generator* , a *static energy generator* , and he aint talking about the EPG . He's talking about how he gets more energy out than in . Seems to me like this is what Stan meant . What if Stan's final technology was so revolutionnary that the whole physics would have to be reinvented . This is bigger than a simple water car , this is totally new science .

There's a few things that are clearly impossible with Meyers . The water is simply not breaking apart with higher voltage , it is not holding its charge , it is never pure enough under normal conditions . Meyers never coated his plates , so I believe this coating ravi stuff is simply disinfo .

There is all this stuff about the state space tickling , stuff that is not found in the puharich papers or anyone else .

So I believe that everybody had his own method , some were better than others .

Next step is , if we know dingel could pull some electricity from this , why wouldnt Meyers have done the same and have a double usage for that extra unaccounted for charge ? This new hypothesis fills in the mysteries of how exactly do we get that water to charge , whats all this mumbo jumbo that Meyers talks about ?

It fills in the gap , it goes along with other theories from respectable people .

outlawstc

#86 · date not recorded

well when those differences are next to each other present in the plates. it messes with the space time between them.. i was saying the other day what causes us to fall and what causes us to need force to goto space... and could this force occur in a OPPOSITE manner.. meaning that particles of positive charge have gravity toward the negative excitor and electrons feel gravity toward the positive field.. and at the same time can those charged particles of the atom feel a pushing force pushing them in the same direction they are being pulled?? 2 forces acting in space time on both opposite charges in a opposite manner.. and the only thing holding these particles together is potential..

have you heard of coral castle in florida?

Dankie

#87 · date not recorded

Quote from: outlawstc on March 23, 2009, 19:46:04 pm

well when those differences are next to each other present in the plates. it messes with the space time between them.. i was saying the other day what causes us to fall and what causes us to need force to goto space... and could this force occur in a OPPOSITE manner.. meaning that particles of positive charge have gravity toward the negative excitor and electrons feel gravity toward the positive field.. and at the same time can those charged particles of the atom feel a pushing force pushing them in the same direction they are being pulled?? 2 forces acting in space time on both opposite charges in a opposite manner.. and the only thing holding these particles together is potential..

have you heard of coral castle in florida?

Its strange , after connecting the dots I am persuaded this is the key . If these opposite waves somehow cross , and the water's components is attracted to counter-clockwise wave AND clockwise wave , it is still pulling apart , just not in the way we imagined it did . Kinda like your drawing from yesterday outlaw , it inspired me .

Some people , somehow are seeing this on a piece of a paper , hydrogen goes left , oxygen goes right ... WRONG !!!

The universe is just a tad more complex .

Dankie

#88 · date not recorded

This thread is legendary , anybody who tries a move on this thread will be suspect .

Now , the next question , if the universe is circular in nature , what happens if we pulled on the water's components when they are on *opposite sides of the circle* ?

As one part gets taken away by the clockwise and another taken away by the counter-clockwise .\

Now pull !!!!

But wait... what if @ that point its already in gas form and has gained massive volume , now its pusing out of the injector into the motor in this out of time state ?? ( Hypothetical )

outlawstc

#89 · date not recorded

exactly.. it effects the protons and the electrons.. since water has a dominant positive charge on one side and the electrons are on the other side thats creates the dipole orientaion of the molecule.. the tickleing and plucking of 1-3 electrons on the negative electron side is what switches off the bond of hydrogen and oxy.. when they are being expelled the electrons make it back to the oxy to form stable gases.. since there no longer a dipole they are not effected with the opposing electrical stress as much in the water bath i dont think and the scalar wave might actually help pump the gases out?

outlawstc

Dankie

#90 · date not recorded

Just brg me all that sacred geometry shit with the opposing Vortex stuff , It kinda looks like a heart ...

Prove to me I am wrong ...

outlawstc

#91 · date not recorded

if you had two inductor chokes for one secondary output on seperate cores it wouldnt work. the balanced difference on the core is what keeps the charge in the core... if they were on seperate cores there wouldnt be a mutual balance of difference magneticaly shared... .. this will cause the electrons to flow from negative excitor over to positve. creating current.. the same core is mutual inductance for them.. it causes a mutual balance of electron clustering keeping it from having voltage flop/ back emf?

and what i really mean by this is they may be of opposite charges but they are equaly attracted to each other and i beleive they can sit next to each other in dielectric coated material (copper or stainless) with these displaced charges, without producing mad heat in any of the windings. and allow the skin effect to take place on the excitors of opposite polarity.

Dankie

#92 · date not recorded

Are you saying there would be no problems of arcing between both wires side by side , It should be wound as a real bifilar ? Since the pressure level would be the same ?

Yes I believe , 100% that the coil is meant to be on the same core , no exeptions .

What is the stainless had a better coupling factor to even more equally balance itself , naturally ?

The heat itself is caused by the vibration of the magnetic wire .

OT: I think this user had interresting things to say

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2410-stan-deyo-2.html

outlawstc

#93 · date not recorded

its weird to think that but i would say yes.. and that would allow a smaller capacitance space dankie. you thinking what im thinkin. lol were on the right path of understanding. the only time it will want to arc is when there differences arent mutual.. what i mean by this is say you have 400volts that you want to peak at.. if your getting 400volts positve electrical force and some how getting more electrons in the system you may read 450 volts negative electical force.. that would be a unbalanced difference.. and the electrons will want to arc to the positve side to try to balance to around 425 volts.. but when a power system is on and its contstantly getting strays in it to allow imbalance that will created a constant current/ load.?

outlawstc

Dankie

#94 · date not recorded

Quote from: outlawstc on March 23, 2009, 22:01:43 pm

its weird to think that but i would say yes.. and that would allow a smaller capacitance space dankie. you thinking what im thinkin. lol were on the right path of understanding. the only time it will want to arc is when there differences arent mutual.. what i mean by this is say you have 400volts that you want to peak at.. if your getting 400volts positve electrical force and some how getting more electrons in the system you may read 450 volts negative electical force.. that would be a unbalanced difference.. and the electrons will want to arc to the positve side to try to balance to around 425 volts.. but when a power system is on and its contstantly getting strays in it to allow imbalance that will created a constant current/ load.?

outlawstc

Hmm , that would motivate the use of a dioded coil connected to grown , the amp-inhibiting coil .

outlawstc

#95 · date not recorded

dankie the amp inhibitor coil isnt going to ground directly.. it is the stainless negative choke.. going to negative excitor. it is the one in my drawing.. connects to center of secondary. and negetive tube. the positve choke connects to positve induction side of primary(rotor) and the positve tube. thats how stan was getting a 0-20khz pulse on the output.. he wasnt getting it threw the emf the rotors giving to the stator windings (secondarys) in the alternator.. the only way for electrons in and out of the system is from the negative excitor, through the water, into the positive excitor and into the primarys electrical circuit.... but with the sync pulse and the mutual difference, i dont think leackeage is a concern.

Dankie

#96 · date not recorded

Quote from: outlawstc on March 23, 2009, 22:28:14 pm

dankie the amp inhibitor coil isnt going to ground directly.. it is the stainless negative choke.. going to negative excitor. it is the one in my drawing.. connects to center of secondary. and negetive tube. the positve choke connects to positve induction side of primary(rotor) and the positve tube. thats how stan was getting a 0-20khz pulse on the output.. he wasnt getting it threw the emf the rotors giving to the stator windings (secondarys) in the alternator.. the only way for electrons in and out of the system is from the negative excitor, through the water, into the positive excitor and into the primarys electrical circuit.... but with the sync pulse and the mutual difference, i dont think leackeage is a concern.

Well I believe it is a reference and that it is connected to 0V state since thats effectively whats its trying to do on the other side , maintain a *non-voltage* differential between each choke .

But I guess it doesnt matter who is right when all you gotta do is connect the lead .

Dankie

#97 · date not recorded

Nice Image , this is sacred geometry that explains all about our universe .

I can just imagine these waves happening in the injector .

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outlawstc

#98 · date not recorded

it fits in the schematic well.. notice how stan shows a coil orientation for the amp inihbitor. that orientation is exaxtly how it should be for stainless negative choke.. notice the direction of flow thats aloud i into that amp inhibitor it allows electron flow into the choke. and blocks hole charges from forming on off time

outlawstc

#99 · date not recorded

dankie,
i was listening to stephen meyers on the blog radio.. he happend to bring up stans plate cell, the one with the adjustable gap.. he was talking about how he like it because you could see the production between the gap? production in ribbons.. your scalar wave pic made me think of the picture he was painting. i gotta listen to it again.

outlawstc

Dankie

#100 · date not recorded

*REPOST*

You mean the plates themselves have both magnetic *flux lines* going opposite to eachother . The thumbs rule thing , those kind of flux lines ? Perhaps they are crossing eachother and causing the elephants to go against eachother .

Perhaps he is trying to *oppose the entropy* ?

Everything is in constant motion like Bearden says ... From the infinitely big to the infinitely small .

I am intruiged by what bearden says , every dipole can keep a bit of energy and not thrown it back out in the time domain ?

Stan is talking about an *energy generator* , a *static energy generator* , and he aint talking about the EPG . He's talking about how he gets more energy out than in . Seems to me like this is what Stan meant . What if Stan's final technology was so revolutionnary that the whole physics would have to be reinvented . This is bigger than a simple water car , this is totally new science .

There's a few things that are clearly impossible with Meyers . The water is simply not breaking apart with higher voltage , it is not holding its charge , it is never pure enough under normal conditions . Meyers never coated his plates , so I believe this coating ravi stuff is simply disinfo .

There is all this stuff about the state space tickling , stuff that is not found in the puharich papers or anyone else .

So I believe that everybody had his own method , some were better than others .

Next step is , if we know dingel could pull some electricity from this , why wouldnt Meyers have done the same and have a double usage for that extra unaccounted for charge ? This new hypothesis fills in the mysteries of how exactly do we get that water to charge , whats all this mumbo jumbo that Meyers talks about ?

It fills in the gap , it goes along with other theories from respectable people .

attachment_3443 opposing.JPG