Stan used AMPS, big time!
Started by unknown · · 104 posts · last reply 24 March 2009
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#26 · date not recorded
[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.
Alan,
I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV. when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.
I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.
But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else.
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#27 · date not recorded
[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.
Alan,
I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV. when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.
I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.
But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else.
You mean you had a 50kv voltage *difference* across the water and it did nothing . -
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You mean you had a 50kv voltage *difference* across the water and it did nothing .
That is 100% correct. there was a 50KV voltage field across water (100% insulated electrodes) and nothing.
now there are someguys also testing with insulated electrodes on the overunity forum, but they using Varnish as the insulator, I have also tested this, and yes you can bring your voltage higher, but any bobbles you see are not created by voltage potential, but by current leaks into the water, so it is just electrolysis, and a very inefficient one. -
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electrojolt,
was the 50 kv dc pulsed in a step up pulse? when dankie say's "difference" this difference he speaks of is not used in conventional electric that has oscillating difference.. its difference being produced on a atomic level. caused by electron clustering that stan speaks of..
@stevie
i like the patent you brought to my attention, i just finished reading it.. from what i gather i feel stan doesnt go into detail to much with the electric in figures but it points out all the most important factors of the system.
out of the patent:
application of patent "is for a combustion system having utility (the state or quality of being useful) in a mechanical drive system"
stan is taking a overlooked perspective and is trying to show it.. stop thinking electric can only work in closed loop with electric.. stans system works in multiple closed loop Energy transfers.. he has thought of them all.. the closed loop the motors mechanical drive shares with power production in the alternator is considered feedback.
" the hydrogen atoms are diassociated from the water molecule by the application of non regulated, non filtered, low power, direct current voltage electrical potential" i would say provided by 3phase dc rectifided alternator.. the 120 out phases imitate pure dc.
it is controled by the following factors,
"varying voltage, varying pulse rate, varying spaces between plates, switching the number of plates, and plate configuration"
outlawstc
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#30 · date not recorded
electrojolt,
was the 50 kv dc pulsed in a step up pulse? when dankie say's "difference" this difference he speaks of is not used in conventional electric that has oscillating difference.. its difference being produced on a atomic level. caused by electron clustering that stan speaks of..
The 50Kv was DC pulsed, since the electrodes where 100% insulated, I had a 100% HV capacitor, so it would take some time to charge, so there was a step charge.
Now when you talk about atomic level, that is way over my head.... maybe that is why it didn't work. Since I don't understand what Stan means by his jargon.
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Hi,
I believe in low amp and are working on it now whatever the patents says.
There is endless many things we can try...... so keep it up
Best regards
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#32 · date not recorded
what i mean by on the atomic level is the potentials are present do to the imbalance of charge in the chokes.. that imbalance is a electron imbalance from the displacement of them out of positive choke. you can have volts without that in ac current but its being produced by the oscilation of electrons.. not by displacement. there somthin not yet understood with the reasons why insulated plates under high voltage doesnt work.. the stainless is not is insulated but it has properties to it that help restrict amp flow (silicon) but allow the vacuum and push electrical forces to be in the water.. maybe?? you really got to think of if it were that simple wouldnt stan of done it that way? in stephen meyers radio session he starts to talk about the stainless and somthing to do with the structure within the stainless and how the process is cold rolled to make the material..i need to listen to it again..
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2 HV tv coils, a while ago you said on wfc.org 50 TV which I read as teravolts[I have read many times that you tried opposite HV with insulated electrodes.
If you still have this setup, you could try to "extract" electrons or charge or whatever from between the isolation, maybe a lamp will do, and see what happens.
Alan,
I no longer have that setup toguether. When I tested, I used 2 HV tv coils as my HV source, so I know I was testing with about 50KV. when I applied the 50KV to 100% insulated plates, I could see the water move up the plates... similar to what you see in the water bridge video on youtube.
I then added non insulated electrodes and applied several pulsing voltages and freq, to see if water would break easier. didn't observe any thing.
I also used some Red Lazers, LEDs... no luck.
But this does not say that it will not work.... just that I could not make it work, maybe I needed to do something else.
no doubt that would break some water apart.
The added non insulated electrodes test is interesting, how approximately did you place them?
These were added between to the insulated cells, right?
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2 HV tv coils, a while ago you said on wfc.org 50 TV which I read as teravolts no doubt that would break some water apart.
The added non insulated electrodes test is interesting, how approximately did you place them?
These were added between to the insulated cells, right?
50 TV... no that must have been a typo. I can't even Imagine what that would do, I'm sure I would not be alive to talk about it.
yes, the added non insulated electrodes (just wires) where placed between the other insulated electrodes. -
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what i mean by on the atomic level is the potentials are present do to the imbalance of charge in the chokes.. that imbalance is a electron imbalance from the displacement of them out of positive choke. you can have volts without that in ac current but its being produced by the oscilation of electrons.. not by displacement. there somthin not yet understood with the reasons why insulated plates under high voltage doesnt work.. the stainless is not is insulated but it has properties to it that help restrict amp flow (silicon) but allow the vacuum and push electrical forces to be in the water.. maybe?? you really got to think of if it were that simple wouldnt stan of done it that way? in stephen meyers radio session he starts to talk about the stainless and somthing to do with the structure within the stainless and how the process is cold rolled to make the material..i need to listen to it again..
outlawstc
Outlawstc,
Thanks for the atempt to explain your point of view. Maybe one day I will get to understand. -
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the simplest way to say it is electrons create negative electrical force when compacted in insulated wire of exsess (Push on electrons) 29protons and 29 electrons is 0 volts(neutral) to be electrical negative charged you must have a consistancy of over 29 electrons..
holes which are copper atoms missing electrons (emf stripped) have a positive force (vacuum pull on electrons) so the more missing electrons creating holes gives more positive electrical force.. -
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Interresting read :
Quote from aquapulser :
http://www.aquapulser.com/research.html
Stan's VIC unit that incorporated the bifilar chokes was for use not with his tubular cell set up but with his water fuel injector. The output of this unit is single phase and there are no harmonics involved, however it must also be said that Stan instead uses laser light and so there is definitely some sort of phase conjugation going on with both the alternator cell set up and the VIC water fuel injector which is a conjugated laser cavity. Scalar effects are produced byphase conjugating a wave by 180 degrees to cancel out the energy, yet it produces a "stress wave" that can have physical effects. This is very similar to Meyer's mirored pulses that one gets with the rectified output of the Alternator. Click here to learn more about phase conjugation. -
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dankie,
can you give me a brief deffinition in your own words describing these scalar waves? i havent read a whole lot on them and i feel like you can probly point out key points like what is forming a scalar wave and what nots. paint the canvas for me buddy,
thanks,
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im reading into it and have found some interesting things.. look these terms up in wiki
Spontaneous symmetry breaking, Scalar field, differential form. differential geometry
i was thinking deep i min ago.... if i were to try to explain electric travel in wire from the electrons point of veiw.. put your self in the electrons shoes .. your being forced by emf back and forth in alternating current.. but are still moving forward up the hot leg at the same time. for a negative potential of electrons to travel they have to either be grounding out to earth (vacuum) at our homes or being forced by emf. i would say there going to ground.. but in order to stay moving in that direction would your forward potential(push) up swing be higher then your pull?..i would say yes.. and i would also be inclined to say that the higher upswing in ac gives the differential to show voltage.. that sounds like the most frictionist resistive way to use power(not send, but use), plus your not working with true high and low potential's
now this is how i see it from the electrons shoes in stans set up
to encounter a true positive potential and you are a electron it is like falling in the sky.. the floor comes out from under you.. weightless feeling.. to be the electron being forced into the negative choke its like going up in the space shuttle.. theres force needed.. now think about this.. those two forces on the atom effect the atom with the same forces working both ways.. but the key to understanding is that the positve particles feel like falling towards the force side of electric(negative) and the electrons want to fall to the positve.. they both incounter there falling in opposite direction!!.. but with both forces being present they arent just feeling the fall, there's also force behind it. so its like they have a jet pack and are doing a nose dive. force with fall.
that fall feeling can only be constant when it is pure.. the positive wound choke should never be thown into a negative state.. 0 and up.. with the 3 phases of the alternator working together is what creates the pure posiitve potential in the positve plate.. even though one phase might be hitting 0 the others being 120 out one of them is maintaining a high potential in the plate. a constant fall.. and from what stan says the more pure potential with less ripples the more efficient since its not dealing with snapping action. he called it a clipped pulse train?
outlawstc
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dankie,
can you give me a brief deffinition in your own words describing these scalar waves? i havent read a whole lot on them and i feel like you can probly point out key points like what is forming a scalar wave and what nots. paint the canvas for me buddy,
thanks,
outlawstc
Its not scalar waves , its opposing currents , just like two batteries in opposition , normally they cancel out . Now take this with 20,000 volts pressure , both in opposition .
The energy is cancelled out , its pointless to do this normally . But this has physical effects on the water and I believe that the tubes repel eachother vry very fast .
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you know what, I've been thinking about this, and I think you are misunderstanding how it it works, even tho it may work as explained, i think you have the wrong idea in your head.
(http://www.stanford.edu/class/me220/data/lectures/lect08/fig4_2.gif)
here is a diagram of some parallel plates with an electric field in between them, q+ and q-, and as you see there is a gradient for the voltage perpendicular to the arrows, while the field lines are in the direction of the arrows, and only in one single line straight down the center is there "zero" volts, and everywhere else there is a + or - voltage.
so 20,000+ volts, and 20,000- volts will not cancle out for zero volts, that just isnt how it works, there is a voltage gradient and only at the center between the plates will you have zero volts.
picture this, you have a rock 20 feet above the ground, and you drop it, when it hits the ground, you are at zero
now picture you dig a hole 20 feet down, and you have the same rock 20 feet above the ground, and drop it, it will fall 20 feet to ground level, and then 20 feet down the hole, (-20 feet), but the rock fell a total of 40 feet
so 20+ volts PLUS 20- volts is 40 volts, not zero volts. the voltage does not cancel, it adds.
there is only one spot on the voltage gradient where you have zero volts, and that would be the same as in my explanation, of the ground level.
If you want to talk about electrical stress, then sure, the oxygen is being pulled one way, and the hydrogen the other way, but the voltage does not cancel. -
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you know what, I've been thinking about this, and I think you are misunderstanding how it it works, even tho it may work as explained, i think you have the wrong idea in your head.
(http://www.stanford.edu/class/me220/data/lectures/lect08/fig4_2.gif)
here is a diagram of some parallel plates with an electric field in between them, q+ and q-, and as you see there is a gradient for the voltage perpendicular to the arrows, while the field lines are in the direction of the arrows, and only in one single line straight down the center is there "zero" volts, and everywhere else there is a + or - voltage.
so 20,000+ volts, and 20,000- volts will not cancle out for zero volts, that just isnt how it works, there is a voltage gradient and only at the center between the plates will you have zero volts.
picture this, you have a rock 20 feet above the ground, and you drop it, when it hits the ground, you are at zero
now picture you dig a hole 20 feet down, and you have the same rock 20 feet above the ground, and drop it, it will fall 20 feet to ground level, and then 20 feet down the hole, (-20 feet), but the rock fell a total of 40 feet
so 20+ volts PLUS 20- volts is 40 volts, not zero volts. the voltage does not cancel, it adds.
there is only one spot on the voltage gradient where you have zero volts, and that would be the same as in my explanation, of the ground level.
If you want to talk about electrical stress, then sure, the oxygen is being pulled one way, and the hydrogen the other way, but the voltage does not cancel.
There is 0 current flow in the circuit when you connect 2 equal batteries + and + .
There is added current flow when you connect them + -
A perfectly done bifilar will induce a field on itself and cancel itself . -
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i assume you are talking about this diagram, which you sent me before, where you have pulses of equal and opposite voltage, if you put this across the plates you will have double the voltage.
and if you think it is a good idea to cancel out the electromagnetic field in the chokes then you have the wrong idea again, the magnetic field of the chokes is to restrict electron flow, what you really want to do is magnify the electromagnetic field as much as possible
if you read tesla's patent on bifilar coils then you will see there are several different ways to wire a bifilar, and if you do it backwards then yes, you will cancel out the electromagnetic field completely, and allow electrons to flow without electromagnetic restriction, which doesn't make any sense if you go to all the effort of using resistive wire to help impede the electron flow and then eliminate your fabulous electromagnetic field
you must wire them bifilar to magnify the electromagnetic field, not eliminate it, otherwise it's not a CHOKEattachment_3422 similar.JPG
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i assume you are talking about this diagram, which you sent me before, where you have pulses of equal and opposite voltage, if you put this across the plates you will have double the voltage.
and if you think it is a good idea to cancel out the electromagnetic field in the chokes then you have the wrong idea again, the magnetic field of the chokes is to restrict electron flow, what you really want to do is magnify the electromagnetic field as much as possible
if you read tesla's patent on bifilar coils then you will see there are several different ways to wire a bifilar, and if you do it backwards then yes, you will cancel out the electromagnetic field completely, and allow electrons to flow without electromagnetic restriction, which doesn't make any sense if you go to all the effort of using resistive wire to help impede the electron flow and then eliminate your fabulous electromagnetic field
you must wire them bifilar to magnify the electromagnetic field, not eliminate it, otherwise it's not a CHOKE
Lets say you just split the signal from the secondary , each choke has its source , both cancel out at the same time .
Never mind the bifilar . -
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can you explain exactly what you are trying to "cancel"? -
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can you explain exactly what you are trying to "cancel"?
Its very simple , exactly the same waveform , vols/amps , on both sides of the water capacitor. Everything is equals but its in opposing directions . No current flow . -
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(http://www.tpub.com/neets/book1/chapter1/1-7.gif)
well you should stop using the word cancel then
even with two + charges you wont get a "canceling" effect, it'll be pure repulsion -
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Yes , repulsion
Intense repulsive force , pulsed . -
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ok, if it is repulsion, then you are not using that waveform i just posted, those are equal and opposite voltages, which add together, increasing stress pulling on the water molecule.
if you want a pure repulsion waveform then both plates would have to get the same positive pulses, or same negative pulses. -
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ok, if it is repulsion, then you are not using that waveform i just posted, those are equal and opposite voltages, which add together, increasing stress pulling on the water molecule.
if you want a pure repulsion waveform then both plates would have to get the same positive pulses, or same negative pulses.
Its the same opposite that David Serada interviewed the guy who had the thing that fell slower than normal gravity , that kind of opposite .