New video: Edward Mitchel
Started by unknown · · 117 posts · last reply 4 January 2016
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#51 ·
Sorry I asked. Even more sorry that I actually expected an answer. -
#52 ·
My question dealt with comparing your results to normal electrolysis. Meyer's claim was that he produced an unusual amount of Hydrogen for the amount of power he used. What is YOUR benchmark? -
#53 ·
@h2opower:
The waveform you claim is "impossible" is not impossible at all. The only difference between that envelope and what Stan shows as the output of the 8xa circuit is that the amplitude increases with each pulse. This is exactly what would be expected if a number of choke coils were spaced along a standing wave. As the amplitude of the standing wave increases, so will the amplitude of the pulse produced by the coil at that position.
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#54 ·
@h2opower:
The waveform you claim is "impossible" is not impossible at all. The only difference between that envelope and what Stan shows as the output of the 8xa circuit is that the amplitude increases with each pulse. This is exactly what would be expected if a number of choke coils were spaced along a standing wave. As the amplitude of the standing wave increases, so will the amplitude of the pulse produced by the coil at that position.
You Jerry have no idea how Meyer made his standing waves or how this technology behaves as you have not built & tested a single part of this technology correctly. If I don't tell you right now you simply will not be able to tell everyone just how Meyer went about making standing waves and guess what? I am not going to tell you.
You see I have built & tested a great many things concerning this technology so I speak from experience have done the ground work to be able to know what it is I am talking about. You try and compare yourself to Stanley Meyer telling everyone, "See I am like Stanley Meyer" when you are nothing like him and you resorted to lying about and/or slandering Stanley Meyer in order for you to make such a bold claim: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=12862&postcount=144
What is your real agenda? Who's payroll are you actually on? The only way you are going to be able to see what this technology does is for you to build it as close to that of Stanley A. Meyer's designs and afterwords test what ever you build with actual hands on experiments. You can't look at the pictures and gain any real world knowledge or experience in dealing with this technology as it simply doesn't work that way.
Tell us which section in the technical brief is Stanley A. Meyer actually talking about standing waves if you please so we can at least know that you read it.
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#55 ·
I already told you I quoted the wrong video. Why are you ignoring what I said? And why are you calling me a liar, instead of the person who made the video? Besides, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of standing waves. Why don't YOU tell us the effect of a standing wave on the coils which are positioned along it?
I think you claim the waveform is impossible just because YOU can't make it. Speaking of which, where have YOU shown a standing wave, with all your 'hands on' experience?
And I also told you someone doesn't have to build the same hardware he shows to infringe on his patents. Are you using 'deliberate amnesia' to justify continued defamatory statements? I am still copying what you say. Ignoring that as well? -
#56 ·
guys guys....
Please keep it techno , please.
No liars, no mud slinging.
Respect rules here. You know that all....
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#57 · date not recorded
right very cool... do you want to see standing waves ed? a coil oscillating because of its self resonance is an example of standing waves..
Now i ask standing waves are unipolar?
why don't we stop losing time and go make it work... what are you missing? Another 11vic transformer to wire in series?
mas is very very impossible to believe that you propose this... I agree you could split the function of the vic among coils.. but i think you exaggerated..
i get my 50kv and more with much less...
You explanation about the diode and how you look at the vic for me is incorrect... for me is not satisfactory..
maybe if you turn the disc you could see it differently...
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#58 · date not recorded
Hey Ed, go ahead and post up a video of this system in action. We all want to see the results you are chanting about for 2 or 3 years now.. 1mL of gas every 2 days doesn't count. -
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Yes, Where is your polarization process... i see any...
the electrical polarization process is enough to trigger hydrogen production on demand when reach resonant action...
that mean when you can proceed with the process over and over again in a constant manner.. to control the needs...
where is mine?
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Ed Mitchel said that Meyer discussed standing waves. That's all the proof I need to believe that standing waves play a role in his system.
Standing waves are bi phasic. Two waves traveling in opposite directions interfere to produce a sum which is a stationary waveform. John Kanzius sends rf through salt water, then reflects the waves back through the water again, producing a standing wave. His frequency (13.56 MHz) doesn't completely split the water, so the gas only burns, rather than explode.
With my Meyer's injector build, the rf travels through the injector then produces the plasmoid ignition spark. The energy in that spark back couples through the injector, producing a standing wave. This will split the water fast enough that the ignition spark is still there when the fuel gas hits it.
I'm going to spend less time typing and more time building. I'm standing when I build. -
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I had a flame over water similar but not same as kanzius in 2007 2008... the yellow part seems to be sodium burning.. also for the smell... with a prototype i made... you can see how the prototype was like in the youtube channel... but not the test... it were a 10cm yellow open flame with bad smell... it was a tube filled with water and sodium hydroxide.. with few drops of alcohol... although the same amount of alcohol would not sustain a flame for more than 30s... the thing could run for 15min 30min there was up to 20 amps flowing... 12v car battery... -
#62 · date not recorded
I don't see any valid questions concerning the video or the technology so I guess my work here is done for the moment.
Nor do I see any answers to questions posed.
I'll check in from time to time but know this. Know already all what you need to know if you can understand the science I posted. -
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I did answer your questions, but you ignored what I said.
It's hard to see a hero turn into an ogre. Many times, I would have shut down my Ed Gray thread, but you kept me going, also wearing a bull eye on your back. Or so I thought. Now I see you differently. : (
Your work here is done? What work is that? Harassing one specific person, after following him here from the other forum?
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#64 · date not recorded
I did answer your questions, but you ignored what I said.
It's hard to see a hero turn into an ogre. Many times, I would have shut down my Ed Gray thread, but you kept me going, also wearing a bull eye on your back. Or so I thought. Now I see you differently. : (
That's all folks.
You don't understand the science so talking with you is like talking with someone with diminished capacity. -
#65 ·
Ed has left the ionizationx forum.
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#66 · date not recorded
Sorry about him...Its hard to go alone against a river... its said how he want to sailing alone... i
i would like to point how the vic must have the coils polarity arrange...
it seems to me that in Ed drawings he is using both chokes in subtracting from the secondary where only the tx5 should be doing that... why?without prof...thats what stan show in the patent of the vic!
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If the Vic transformer only provides charging pulses to the electrodes, pulses can be generated electronically. Doesn't work. When the choke coils are on the same core as the primary, they are also secondaries. With the main secondary wired to a choke secondary, the output has two waveforms, so that makes a standing wave. Couldn't an op amp mixer provide the correct signal to a stand alone choke?
If two frequencies are slightly different, the standing wave will walk. A wave sweeping across the water is the same as the water sweeping across a stationary wave. -
#68 · date not recorded
the pulses are actually generated electronically but the vic adjust the electronic pulse to the correct impedance level.. and restrict the amps to allow voltage to take over and does the work. an "electronic" low voltage would never work...
Grounding the cell will never work.. can you see that?
if you have a baseball and a bowling ball which can you launch higher? thats why the cell is preferably small...
I believe the chokes action only happen when in the same core... otherwise the configuration of how it should be connected should be different maybe for it to work... probably coupling with coils.. or actually changing the config.
In my analysis the magnetic field going on on the coils is key..
i started a new thread talking a little about this...
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#69 ·
Hey TGS
how do you get the molecules striped off electrons without consuming the required energy for ionization?
How could you do it without amps flow or preventing electron flow?
there is a quantum leap between the ionization you describe and covalent switch off stan describes...
i will explain it to you... as for it work the same on particle accelerators
when you get a gas you can ionize it... (my teacher words) You can indeed take all the electrons out of oxygen if you want but it takes energy for it..
in an electrical particle accelerator the end energy of the particle depends not only on the accelerating voltage and mass of the particle but also on the charge...
so what they do is to strip the electrons of the oxygen for example for raising its net charge and end up with a more energetic particle at the end of the accelerating distance..
how they do that? in one embodiment they charge the oxygen negatively adding 2 electrons (fro, a hot filament connected to negative million volts capacitor plate ) and the oxygen is liberated being accelerated from the target point... as it gets accelerated it gains energy... now this oxygen strikes a positive high voltage screen (connected to a positive plate a capacitor) that will take the electrons out of it and make it to be accelerated now in the direction of the target.. as it has now 4 to 6 electron missing the energy it achieve is very high...
what you see is that we gave kinetic energy and used it to strip the electrons... no overunity...
if you were to do this with high voltage for every electron you ionize you get power consume... if you want 1 mol of oxygen ionized...16grams missing just one electron you need to apply high voltage needed times 26.8 amps!
if you get an over voltage ( a voltage too high for the ionization) you generate more heat like electrolysis over voltage...inefficiency....
so really whats you point?
i believe meyer indeed used ionization.. but for me this was part of the rocket science.. actually its also possible for me that he indeed ionized just few atoms per cycle to achieve thermal explosive energy ( atomic reaction ) from just them.. not all...
nature is not preventing the water molecule from forming...
nor nature is in anyway trying to switch off the covalent bound... we are seeking to do un-natural things... no nature can explain it...
nature only explain the working of particle accelerator since your thunderstorm example is similar.. it explain even ozone and acid rain..
but i'm sorry to disappoint you, with all you posted all it seems is that you again try show everyone how "special" you are and how "stupid" other stanleymeyer readers are...
If your summarization try to close a point that you unfortunately did not prof, until you don't see its not even valid for you, you won't do anything new...
i hope all that i said help you somehow...
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#70 ·
1 watt * 1 second is 1 joule... 1W/s=1J
1 watt * one hour is 3,6kj =1W/h=3600J
497kj /mol mean you need:
138 W/h per mol...
given 26,8 amps is a mol of electrons
you have to give each electron 5,15v of potential... if we summing all this at once gives 500kv
you end up with 1 mol of oxygen diatomic molecules missing one electron
or half mol of atomic oxygen plus half mol of missing 1 electron oxygen atoms...
assuming it is correct
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#71 · date not recorded
i wish you good luck... but the wire insulation i'm using is my way of doing and you don't know anything about it no i don't need to lie shalom...
the wire insulation you are taking as 2,2kv i take as maximum 400volts thats where your problem really is.. when you go up for high voltage you need to stay far away from the limits.. if high frequency even worst...
i use oil... although the last picture setup in air got over 25kv without burn... under oil its design to go up 80kv at whatever frequency,,
the secret is to use layers... every layer give you insulation... and make your coils bigger...
i hope you make it work...
i'm sorry if just trying to copying stan work you could not achieve the high voltages you wanted... why don't you start with 1 turn at the primary ... . -
#72 · date not recorded
i thank you for your good will i would love to be helped now!
i tried to make a fundraising campaign on facebook... not even no dollar achieved... i would really promisse that anyone who wants to help in donating i will only use of course the money for that finality...
here it is the links...
i created a link that anyone could donate a fixed money monthly to help ...
https://www.mercadopago.com/mlb/debits/new?preapproval_plan_id=ce587e578d96409194fb6767032f4500 -
#73 · date not recorded
i thank you for your good will i would love to be helped now!
i tried to make a fundraising campaign on facebook... not even no dollar achieved... i would really promisse that anyone who wants to help in donating i will only use of course the money for that finality...
here it is the links...
i created a link that anyone could donate a fixed money monthly to help ...
https://www.mercadopago.com/mlb/debits/new?preapproval_plan_id=ce587e578d96409194fb6767032f4500
Can you make a gofundme account as I am not comfortable providing that amount of information about my credit cards in times like this as I have had my information stolen before several times now. You can create one for free and tell us all what it is about here and we will be able to follow your progress as who knows I might have to donate twice: https://www.gofundme.com/
Shalom,
TGS -
#74 · date not recorded
i just tried but its only for american citizens,,, that link for donations is perfectly safe by the way it is the ebay in brazil its called mercado libre and the company thru where i receive money of things i sell on the ebay... like paypal... i have a paypal too but need to check since its a long time idont remember to use...
if you feel better with that..
i really hope that if those 300 guests looking the pages we are writting could give maybe 3 dollars i could have the ability to buy this http://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2JGB4/Pintek-DP-30K-Differential-Probe-30KV-50MHz/
it costs around 1500R$ of brazilian money there are also some taxes for transfering the money to them already in my bank... and when it arrives it get more taxes end up costing some where around 3000R$...
this would end up in dollars costing 1000$ dolars...
i have some very nice equipment i would be willing to exchange by one like that... i need to sell some things i have here... i have a all set for television broadcasting with many receivers antenas... each costed equivalengt to 3000 dollars i have like 20 of that.. but is very hard to find some company to buy it.. i´m trying
i got all this from my job i left it had no end so i took to my house to sell it and ishare with them50%
anyway its being hard...
i hope in this time of great crisis some good souls that have being blessed with material goods and cant wait more to see this thing happening and believe i can do it and believe that maybe with that special tool in my hands i can do it some faster i would really be very honestly honored to use it the best i can and compensate back every each of you who donated perhaps not with something material but imediately if you start to believe you will be filled with hope because i´m just working for a better world.
i have no ipad no iphone no ipod no inothing.. i have no bicicle, i have no car... all i got in the last 9 years was expended to this reseach... i dont even buy new cloths.. trully all i need is seeing this thing working
some people in the way helped me a lot, like my parents, brothers, friends, neighbours coleghes teachers,.. all of them are waiting too...
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#75 · date not recorded
i just tried but its only for american citizens,,, that link for donations is perfectly safe by the way it is the ebay in brazil its called mercado libre and the company thru where i receive money of things i sell on the ebay... like paypal... i have a paypal too but need to check since its a long time idont remember to use...
if you feel better with that..
i really hope that if those 300 guests looking the pages we are writting could give maybe 3 dollars i could have the ability to buy this http://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2JGB4/Pintek-DP-30K-Differential-Probe-30KV-50MHz/
it costs around 1500R$ of brazilian money there are also some taxes for transfering the money to them already in my bank... and when it arrives it get more taxes end up costing some where around 3000R$...
this would end up in dollars costing 1000$ dolars...
i have some very nice equipment i would be willing to exchange by one like that... i need to sell some things i have here... i have a all set for television broadcasting with many receivers antenas... each costed equivalengt to 3000 dollars i have like 20 of that.. but is very hard to find some company to buy it.. i´m trying
i got all this from my job i left it had no end so i took to my house to sell it and ishare with them50%
anyway its being hard...
i hope in this time of great crisis some good souls that have being blessed with material goods and cant wait more to see this thing happening and believe i can do it and believe that maybe with that special tool in my hands i can do it some faster i would really be very honestly honored to use it the best i can and compensate back every each of you who donated perhaps not with something material but imediately if you start to believe you will be filled with hope because i´m just working for a better world.
i have no ipad no iphone no ipod no inothing.. i have no bicicle, i have no car... all i got in the last 9 years was expended to this reseach... i dont even buy new cloths.. trully all i need is seeing this thing working
some people in the way helped me a lot, like my parents, brothers, friends, neighbours coleghes teachers,.. all of them are waiting too...
My thoughts exactly as there are 932 members in this forum and if we act collectively then we can do this with ease for you.
As of right now I am in the middle of a very large purchase and I can't touch my credit cards for about two or more months so we have to figure out a way that I could help you like pay pal or something. I'd like a crowdfunding platform as then I can share it with my friends and them their friends and so forth and we can all track your progress. Not many of us even have credit cards now days as they are just a drain on real income and most of us have figured that out. Mines is just for company credit so that I can make purchases easier but pay it off quickly to avoid all the charges.
I looked a bit at these two are they good for you to use? "Catarse and Movere are now the main crowdfunding websites in Brazil."
If we work together we can get you this differential probe as it has a very high impedance which makes it very good for use with this technology.
Shalom,
TGS