Error in Stans Gas production

#26 · date not recorded

i see that stan could have a misleading statement but if stans graph is tru 25 volts each @4.4amps will produce 1000cc a min,, 50 volts will do 2,000cc a min @4.4 amps.. 100 volts will do 4000cc in a min,,, he shows that when u reach 12.6 @4.4 amps the climb in production becomes proportional with voltage compared to electrolysis..

Steve

#27 · date not recorded

my 2 cents:

Stan deliverd the gas under a little bit of pressure.
If you look at the vid of the Idle buggy, or if you look at the pics of similar test, you always see that they keep the tubecell underpressure.
So, they release gas from a cavity under pressure.

That has 2 reasons.
1. the engine cannot suck all gas out of the cell. That is very import. I see that importance in my own tests.
2. As long as the cell is under pressure, you have less change for backfire.

The amount of gas coming out of such pressure system, is the same as from a non presure system...as far as i was able to see and measure.

Dynodon

#28 · date not recorded

when the buggy was idling in the driveway,he states 13.5 psi, 5 volts and 2 amps to the rotor.The gages are hooked to the rotor of the alternator,and has no refference to the volts on the cell.
Don

Dankie

#29 · date not recorded

Well I tried googling all of the deaths and funerals of past inventors like Henry Moray , EV gray , Puharich etc ...

All pretty much a big nothing about death or relatives information or funeral in the first 5 pages basicly ... Some conspiracies etc ...

Pretty much as you would expect , this is not found on google but in town records etc ...

dudleyengineering

#30 · date not recorded

even if you think that stan is still alive you should still be respectfull of his family and others and stop saying his cold dead lifeless body it just not polite

Dankie

#31 · 17 Jan 2010

Quote from: dudleyengineering on January 17, 2010, 00:23:47 am

even if you think that stan is still alive you should still be respectfull of his family and others and stop saying his cold dead lifeless body it just not polite

W/E ... Stan or Stephen wont be reading these posts .

I need to be sure that he died the way they say he did .

sebosfato

#32 · 17 Jan 2010

Quote from: Dankie on January 17, 2010, 01:20:15 am

Quote from: dudleyengineering on January 17, 2010, 00:23:47 am
even if you think that stan is still alive you should still be respectfull of his family and others and stop saying his cold dead lifeless body it just not polite

W/E ... Stan or Stephen wont be reading these posts .

I need to be sure that he died the way they say he did .

@Dankie

Man, what is going to change for you, if you know it? You don't believe he was poisoned? I'm almost completely sure. Do you know why? Because i'm sure that his system works! And i can say, you should not find out about his death. Think about if he had a kind of life stile like trying to save the world, while people didn't helped him like he thought they should. And if he just said, oh boy i don't want to have to continue living being the water car inventor and at the same time being a failure because of the inability to release it, because also of the threats. Maybe he still alive and have faked his death, to try to live a "normal" life. Big deal. What do you think, that you are going to find him? You wont. If he was able to invent the wfc, he is also able to disappear too, so forget about this and let his secretes to rest in peace. Living or not living, the important is that his ideas will remain alive forever.

So again, I can ask you a favor, Please don't touch the past! you will find very terrible surprises, and probably takes out an history that must remain secret. Respect Stan He really deserves.

check this movie is quite nice and source of inspiration.

sebosfato

#33 · 17 Jan 2010

This video is made in brazil, and it brings to you many advices!

the audio is in english and you can also read the english subtitles. Please watch it you all

Peace for all of you

Dankie

#34 · date not recorded

I have researched his death .

I am pretty sure , 99% sure , taht he died the way they say he did .

The nature of his death , if true , can be some evidence to confirm that his device did work .

Believe me , I want to believe he did it . I mean no disrespect for Stan , but I wanna be 100% SURE .

Now if somebody has direct , or indirect evidence , in wich a logical deduction of chain of events can lead us to being more sure , plz share your hypothesis and observations .

haithar

#35 · date not recorded

can we stay ontopic here?

outlawstc

#36 · date not recorded

ok this is the strongest view i can come up with on how stan may have got 7000cc from 7 lbs pressure in his cell.... i dont see anywhere in stans evaluation that says the temp of the water in the fuel cell... stan says that this process is a cold process not interacting with the temp of water... i think stan would use colder water in this process at least colder then room temp.. water is at its most dense point at 39.2 degrees F.. density i beleive has a proptional relation to dielectric resistance, stans ideal circuit is one that restricts amps and allow voltage... .. i think stan liked it in the 70 degree region when showing off.. 70 degrees water is in a higher density then room temp... if the water is 72 degrees and is being relesed into a chamber that is surrounded by a ambient room temp and or environment would it not expand due to room temp?.. this also means if the gas is cold entering into the intake of a vehicle the ambient air temp will cause the fuel gass to interact exothermaly.. mean the gas would want to force a expansion of it self into the medium that holds a constant ambient tempature... (ambient air)

outlawstc

#37 · date not recorded

i decided to pick up a book i have been meaning to read and flipped to a random page in the book to read this lol..

The treatise "Minerva Mundi" attributed to Hermes Trismegistus, contains, under the most poetical and profound allegories, the dogma of self-creation of beings, or of the law of creation that results from the accord of two forces, these which the alchemist called the Fixed and the Volatile, and which are, in the Absolute, Necessity and Liberty.

When the Masters of Alchemy say that it needs little time and expense to accomplish the works of Science. When they affirm above all, that but a single vessel is necessary, when they speak of the great and single furnace, which all can use, which is within reach of all the world, and which men possess without knowing it, they allude to the philosophical and moral Alchemy.. In fact, a strong and determined will can, in a little while, attain complete independence; and we all possess that chemical instrument, the great and single furnace, which serves to separate the subtile from the gross, and the fixed from the volatile. This instrument, complete as the world and accurate as the mathematics themselves, is designated by the sages under the emblem of the pentagram or star with five points, the absolute sign of human intelligence.

The end and perfection of the Great Work is expressed, in alchemy, by a triangle surmounted by a cross: and the letter Tau, the last of the Sacred alphabet, has the same meaning.

The "elementary fire" that comes primary by attraction, is evidently Electricaly or the Electric Force, primarly developed as magnatism, and in which is perhaps the secret of life or the vital force.

Dankie

#38 · date not recorded

Well thats great outlaw , theres nothing like a good book .

I love geo-political books , I never really read much till I knew how interresting things really were lol .

I am currently reading Zbigniew Brzezinski's the grand chessboard .

Theres alot of mediocre authors , have to research the good ones .

outlawstc

#39 · date not recorded

this isnt out of your average buy at the bookstore book.. its in the freemasons book.

haithar

#40 · date not recorded

Okay yesterday i had a discussion with electrojolt with the result that we both believed stan's demo tubecell was not only not overunity, but very inefficient.
I have given it a thought over the night and day and since i had come to that conclusion yesterday only based on vague memories of electrolysis efficiency i got my calculator out and tried some things.

Here are the assertions needed:
- pressure meter measures in PSI not in Atmospheres
- the voltage and current values were not going into the circuit at all but directly into the tubes, no power loss at other components
- there is no electrical polarization process and it's normal electrolysis
- 1 liter [volume] = 10³ cm³ = 10³ cc = 1000 cc
- the faraday constant is 96485C/mol, it’s the charge on which 1 mole of a substance is created
- stan created 470ml / minute at 40 Amps (12,5V) – NOT 7l/min
- the decomposition voltage of 100% efficient electrolysis of water is 1,23V
- 1As create 0,19cc of gas (*http://www.chemieonline.de/forum/showpost.php? p=263191&postcount=14)

With 40A of current, 60s of time, 1,23V of minimum voltage, regular electrolysis at 100% should create 40A * 60s * 0,19cc = 456cc gas. This requires 1,23V * 40A * 60s = 2,95kJ of energy.

The 4cc for an hour at this current like stated in the test is ridiculous and wrong.

Stan created 470cc in 60 seconds using the same current, that is roughly 100% the faraday efficiency. The assumption was that it is normal electrolysis, so not 12.5V * 40A create gas, only 49,2W of the 500W do this, the rest is dissipated as heat. This is of course very inefficient, although the current/charge use in general is very good. The numbers of the only published test result and of course the nature of the invention speak against him.

Although there are factors which speak for him: Several people, including a tv documentary, noticed NO heat creation when 450W of heat should have been dissipated, there are several people who claim to have replicated the invention (in parts), the circuit (if used) is well known as a voltage multiplier which wouldn’t allow for a current that high.
My conclusion is that if the test data is real the EPP exists, although the efficiency of that process is not known and may be under unity. It is very unlikely to have a common electrolysis process with that gas creation for the charge put in.
It is also likely that the 500Watts were going into the circuit total (for the motor which drives the alternator for example) and were not used wholly for gas creation purposes as asserted.

Donaldwfc

#41 · date not recorded

Quote from: Donaldwfc on October 05, 2009, 02:35:51 am

I did the test, here are the results:

Cavity = 1 in * 4 inch * 3.14 = 12.56 Cubic Inch = 205.8 Cubic Centimeters

Salt Water
5 psi in 16 seconds

Rain Water
1.3 psi in 30 seconds
2.6 psi in 60 seconds
4 psi in 90 seconds
5 psi in 113 seconds

Tap Water
1.9 psi in 30 seconds
3.7 psi in 60 seconds
5 psi in 81 seconds

5 psi @ 205.8 cc Cavity = 115 cc of gas produced

Salt Water = 431 cc/min
Rain Water = 61 cc/min
Tap Water = 85 cc/min

All tests performed with 10 volts on the Variac, no other electrical measurements taken.
This is with Four 3" Tubes

This is with a normal alternator, now you might be wondering why so many people have built this set up and not figured out how he ran the dune buggy on water.

haithar

#42 · date not recorded

They probably measured the input to the motor, divided it by 9 for each tube and then measured the gas output.
If i remember correct the alternator circuit didn't even have a vic, only the pulsing waveform for the motor?

electrojolt

#43 · date not recorded

I actually think they measured the current used right at the cell right at the cell.

so if he in did ran the dune buggy with only 0.5 lpm of hho, then he must have been doing something else.

this something else is what we need to find out.

some people think we can create some new gas using oxygen and nitrogen . oxygen is pretty easy to manipulate. now nitrogen is a different beast. with its triple bond it is very hard to break. but recent discoveries show that hafnium works as a catalyst to break the nitrogen molecule. once broken then it can easy bond to other molecules.

i contacted this company to see if i could order some. but they don,t sell to individuals.

Steve

#44 · date not recorded

Do they sell outside usa?

Steve

Donaldwfc

#45 · date not recorded

Quote from: electrojolt on April 15, 2010, 22:24:06 pm

so if he in did ran the dune buggy with only 0.5 lpm of hho, then he must have been doing something else.

this something else is what we need to find out.

no he didn't run the dune buggy on 0.5 lpm, the test results you are talking about is for a normal alternator, the dune buggy was run on an RVIC, the "something else" is called the voltage intensifier circuit

electrojolt

#46 · date not recorded

didn't he have a video showing the buggy running on that 9 tube cell ?

Donaldwfc

#47 · 16 Apr 2010

yes, and he specifically said he was using the alternator to restrict the amps, that's a 60+ amp alternator, do you think he has normal windings in it?

electrojolt

#48 · 16 Apr 2010

yes do think the windings were stock. to restrict amps he controlled the current going to the rotor, that lowers the magnetic field induced in the stator controlling the current flow to the cell.

so we know that the tube cell in the 1st videos idled the buggy and we know that the cell couldn't produce more than one liter of hho even at 60amps.

so how did the engine idled with such low amount of hho?

the only way i can see the engine run on that little amount of hho is that he had to be creating something else.

Hydrocars

#49 · 16 Apr 2010

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=978.0;attach=5653

Hydrocars

#50 · 16 Apr 2010

Quote from: electrojolt on April 15, 2010, 22:58:20 pm

didn't he have a video showing the buggy running on that 9 tube cell ?

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