Electrode Potential..
Started by unknown · · 26 posts · last reply 15 December 2010
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Electrode Potential... What is it? What could this be?
Carbon, Atomic Number 6, Has 4 electrons orbiting its valence shell.
Zinc, Atomic number 30, Has 2 electrons orbiting its Valence shell.
Nickel Atomic number 28, Has also 2 electrons orbiting its Valence shell.
Basic Battery Operations, Positive Carbon Pole with a Zinc negative Termial. Electrons Freely travel due to the Choice of Electrodes.
Within batterys the electrodes must not be the same. This way with a carbon Pole having only 4 electrons in its valence shell, and the zinc 2, the charged electrons in the past wants to travel from the carbon to the zinc (BECAUSE OF THE CHOICE OF ELECTRODES.)
Zinc, What does it look like? Take a NONE rechargeable batteries wrapper off, Scrap clean. That's what Zinc looks like! Excluding 9 volt batteries. Those of you that knew Herman Anderson. His electrod of choice was Nickel. His electrode was about 13.5 inches in diameter and Nickel Plated. The other Electrode is unknown to me.
Meyer, SS Electrode Vs SS electrode. Wast of time. (There is NO "ELECTRODE POTENTIAL" There.)
Google = (Electrode Potential) and Include in your Brain, Electrons in Valence Shells.
Potassium Hydroxide = Electrolyte..
HOWSTUFFWORKS.COM = Battery, (Have A Read On Electrodes.)
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QuoteElectrode Potential... What is it? What could this be?
Carbon, Atomic Number 6, Has 4 electrons orbiting its valence shell.
Zinc, Atomic number 30, Has 2 electrons orbiting its Valence shell.
Nickel Atomic number 28, Has also 2 electrons orbiting its Valence shell.
Basic Battery Operations, Positive Carbon Pole with a Zinc negative Termial. Electrons Freely travel due to the Choice of Electrodes.
Within batterys the electrodes must not be the same. This way with a carbon Pole having only 4 electrons in its valence shell, and the zinc 2, the charged electrons in the past wants to travel from the carbon to the zinc (BECAUSE OF THE CHOICE OF ELECTRODES.)
Zinc, What does it look like? Take a NONE rechargeable batteries wrapper off, Scrap clean. That's what Zinc looks like! Excluding 9 volt batteries. Those of you that knew Herman Anderson. His electrod of choice was Nickel. His electrode was about 13.5 inches in diameter and Nickel Plated. The other Electrode is unknown to me.
Meyer, SS Electrode Vs SS electrode. Wast of time. (There is NO "ELECTRODE POTENTIAL" There.)
Google = (Electrode Potential) and Include in your Brain, Electrons in Valence Shells.
Potassium Hydroxide = Electrolyte..
HOWSTUFFWORKS.COM = Battery, (Have A Read On Electrodes.)
Good Day...
nice observation warp,
I can see where your coming from when it comes to the electrodes gaining a potential... The question is do the electrodes need to gain a quantitative representation of potential or do they need a jolting change of statel to step charge water?
All in all what im saying is you can look at voltage as static or as dynamic..
During dynamic states the force is progressively changing at a rate that is determined by amps and resistance.. that resistance is a back pressure to current flow.. how much current is flowing multiplied by the resistive back pressure force = voltage being applied
To find the voltage of a circuit you do V=IR current flow rate times the resistance tells you the voltage within a circuit..
Higher current flow to any resistance will be higher voltage. if the resistive element cannot handle the higher current it gets hot and expands (takes on energy) to a state of less resistance...
What im trying to get at is voltage can be seen as a static potential where all the valence electrons are removed and is justified to be voltage potential..
Or it can be see as a dynamic force which is them going into transit. the speed of their transit while working against the back pressure that restricts them... so the speed at which the valence electrons can be removed from the electrode may justify electromagnetic force that yields a higher potential of voltage due to velocity of transit in a given second..
I feel we are trying to perpetuate higher states of potential in water and i don't think the electrodes need a quantitative static charge to do so..
Stan refers to them as excitors in the tech brief not once did he refer to them as electrodes -
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One 304 S.S. tube Will become positive charged and the other 304 S.S. tube will Become Negative Charged. Just like he says, he did not stretch the truth on that. -
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One 304 S.S. tube Will become positive charged and the other 304 S.S. tube will Become Negative Charged. Just like he says, he did not stretch the truth on that.
You can Take A Zinc Electrode and an Carbon electrode and Place it into water. The Carbon Carrying 4 electrons in its valence shell will be positively charged as it (Takes In) the electrons in the water Paste (From the "Charged" zinc) carrying only 2 electrons in its valence shell. It is Clear why the carbon here in this case took on the Positive charge! At least it should be, If it is not clear, Stop your work and take up chemistry for a couple of months to help, (Open your mind.)
HOWEVER, Carbon Becomes the Positive electrode because of its valence shells behavior and the zincs behaviour, There Exist a Mystery alloy (Found in NiMh Rechargeables) Wiki, And once this metal Replaces the Carbon The Zinc then becomes the Positive Lead, A very Abnormal behavour and yet (All proven in tap water.)
Take A rechargeable battery apart, Disassemble its TOP with a Tube Cutter. (Remove its Positive anode Arm.) See Just how important the Laughable alloy is for allowing electrons to exit its liquid. You'll quickly see the AA battery become Useless when removing the arm witch Dips into the past. Try Bypassing it with a simple Prob needle from a Multimeter with No Effect!!!
There's a reason Your Fuel cells are oxidizing on its terminal. Can not you understand that by this the electrode potential is None equal (As It Virginly was!) De virginized electrodes with the oxidization only creats a very small electrode potential. IF Both were equal, Electrons wouldn't flow. This can be Tuned with this knowledge. However, Oxidization accures and theres electrolysis.
1 304, Placed Near 1 316L electrode is Better than --- 2 304 electrodes, or even 2 316 electrodes.
if you're wondering what zinc looks like, Check out the tubes in stans video. As you can see when thought to be Stainless steel while viewing the famous youtube video clearly it doesn't look to be ss as the tubes appear dark, or dull. Zinc carries a very similar look, there is also zinc coating, Allthough herman used Nickel.
As your quote stated, (Will Become.) Right you are! But, with a WISE selection, it (Already Is/(Fixed).) The Electrons "in any Paste/Electrolyte" are looking for somewhere to go, It is the Choice of electrode Potential that will determine their electron ejections direction and ionic cation movements!!!!!
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The difference is like a 0.1v per tube. Thats a gain, but not very much.
For a tubecell it does matter.
Not sure how to use this in drycells....
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Well I am far enough along to know what I am seeing, as I have it in front of me.
The SS will charge up and hold a charge, aligning the water molecules between them. (without the circuit attached) I have had in upwards of 6v difference between the tubes after its shut off, 2v after 24hrs. The higher the water charges up, the higher the potential between the tubes is. At a ratio of course. He says they hold enough of their charge during gating (T3) to keep the cell from discharging. That means the tubes maintain the charge at full rate during that time.
The 304 Stainless tubes do this because pulsing brings on atomic particle alignment in the metal. Positives on outside, negatives on the inside, depending on which tube it is. (it forms its own anode and cathode on each tube)
No current, no chemicals. Its electrostatic.
The tubes stay Clean. No white stuff, since there is no current.
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Well I am far enough along to know what I am seeing, as I have it in front of me.
The SS will charge up and hold a charge, aligning the water molecules between them. (without the circuit attached) I have had in upwards of 6v difference between the tubes after its shut off, 2v after 24hrs. The higher the water charges up, the higher the potential between the tubes is. At a ratio of course. He says they hold enough of their charge during gating (T3) to keep the cell from discharging. That means the tubes maintain the charge at full rate during that time.
The 304 Stainless tubes do this because pulsing brings on atomic particle alignment in the metal. Positives on outside, negatives on the inside, depending on which tube it is. (it forms its own anode and cathode on each tube)
No current, no chemicals. Its electrostatic.
The tubes stay Clean. No white stuff, since there is no current.
Does the gasproduction continue on the same level as with strait dc, Hardkrome?
With strait dc, i also see lots a charge in the water.
With my drycell, i can light a bulb on it after shutting down the power, but gasproduction really is half, when pulsing a 50% squarewave....
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What makes Zinc, or even carbon important in an AA battery? Why is Lead important in an wet cell battery??? Please Look into this for yourself.
("What Electrodes does an AA Rechargeable battery use?? & WHY") "I Bet you can not answer that for yourself!"
Why where those electrodes selected for the rechargeable AA battery? (Describe Why)
What must the ATOM look like in SS 304, How many electrons in its valence shell? How about 316?
Have you found the Perodic chart for electrodes? Did you see SS on the list?
Great Read http://www.howstuffworks.com/battery.htm/printable
http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Corrosion-Thermodynamics/Standard-potential.htm
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&&sa=X&ei=9lbtTI7dFISClAfuxrn_AQ&ved=0CBcQvwUoAQ&q=standard+electrode+potential+table&spell=1&fp=b69933d19f024e3b
With this, you have Full understandings. Without, you have nothing.
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The Website Scrood my above post up and lost it!! Yikes
What makes Zinc, or even carbon important in an AA battery? Why is Lead important in an wet cell battery??? Please Look into this for yourself.
("What Electrodes does a AA Rechargeable battery use??") "I Bet you can not answer that for yourself!"
Why where those electrodes selected for the rechargeable AA battery? (Describe Why)
Have A Read Here http://www.howstuffworks.com/battery.htm/printable
With this, you have Full understandings. Without, you have nothing.
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Hardkrome, if you charge the cell, then drain the water, will it still have, say, 6 volts across the tubes?
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Here is a Better Link. http://www.mpoweruk.com/chemistries.htm
There you can read on zinc being better than copper just to the side of the photo,, Etc,,... Allot of information will not be found on the internet. Much like the Definitions on the internet, Dads 30+ year old webster dictionary has way more in it that can be found on the net, Just as some old books have information on them that you will not find on the net.
The internet is not the thing, You have to just "Come Across" the real information that's out there. I happen to have came across the importance of the electrodes, and wanted to share it.
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i read through them i think you have read way to far into electrochemical interactions that create current..
you are reading how alloys chemically interact to create a potential.. (a source/battery)
these battery processes are based on chemical reactions of metals with acids or bases
Stan says verbally on videos the the stainless steel is chemically inert to the process..
chemically inert means NOT chemically reactive..
Stans exciters have a decomposition rate of like .0001 per year.. last up to 10 thousand years..
Stan was not removing electrons in the fuel cell taking them into the circuit but on a minute level..
so there is no need for the exciter to take on electrons or pump them out of a solution.. it needs to pluck them and let them recombine then they exit and pass though a positive field and oxygen's are ionized. This is when electrons enter the circuit.. Only time electrons are being removed are when the water is already changed into a fuel gas state..
I try to look at the charging action being due to some perpetuating application of force.. (voltage)
I dont see the water holding a constant charge like a battery
I see it being dissipated just as water is to boil under a high heat potential..
but maybe it just might hold a voltage potential while under pressure conditions.. kinda how water does when being heated under pressure.
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I couldn't help from posting..
If you view the last above link, When you Strip electrons from the Cathode, And Apply them at the Anode, How is it they do not seem to be where you put them when you go to Certify the attempted process just applied?? Why does it seem as if the electrons Just got away?
I'm referring to charging a fuel cell.
The electrons Striped from the cathode and applied at the anode, as you imagine it,,, They get gone, electrons are lost and oxidation occurs because of electron loss..
1. What is Causing this?
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Well if i were to strip from the cathode and apply to the anode it would be done through the circuit not the water.. and if my circuit is built correctly the energy will be stored in the charging inductor not the water..
I think the secret is in the multilayer coil as ancient mist was speaking about.. with the applications of frequency matching the acoustical properties of the cylinder.
Think of it like this. the fuel cell is not charging to where it is holding a static state of equilibrium.. it is being oscillated and that oscillation during off time will dissipate.. stans charging choke is acting like a capacitor and holding the storage of the charge.
He said he can turn power on for something like 10 seconds and produce gas for 90 somthing seconds on the off time.. To me this sounds like a resonant oscillation that slowly dims (dissipates)
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Tubes have to be in the water, The voltage across the cell is during run time and is in the cavity. I happend to notice that after I was pulsing it for a couple of minutes, that the metal was retaining some charge because it is aligning the the water molecules.
The production dosen't start picking up at a fast rate until you hit about 50V across the cell stepping to 100v. The electrostatic bond that holds them together has to be broken. It surely does not work well with conductive water.
I work with SS everyday at work. As soon as any city water hits it, I get calcium on it. I have chiseled out calcium deposits 2" thick in SS pipes that had warm or hot water going through them. This process can not have any heat at all.
Now having a negative voltage on the negative tube and a positive on the positive tube will keep both tubes clean.
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If your electrodes have a natural voltage difference your stagnant unused cell will slowly produce gas. also all metals used in batteries corrode, SS304 is not chemically reactive with hydrogen, oxygen or water and any deposits are not from the electrodes but from the impurities in the water. So the problems overcome by your theory to use already aligned materials as electrodes has issues that are overcome with SS.
1. your electrodes will corrode rapidly - yet another thing that will need replacing.
2. your electrodes can start production autonomusly.
3. your process is not reversable (lead and leadoxide electrodes would not be counted here)
4. to regain your origninal materials would cost more energy than what you make. (unless you invent a really effficient way to reverse the oxidization process too)
5. Some of your proposed materials are autoreactive in water.
If the blend of SS304 stan used had high percentages of Zinc then it might be helpful but i would think that this would corrode over time, and not the time frame Stan talks off.
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You have no ideal how water can be used in many applications of thermonuclear weapons, The Production of certain things, Not named here is closely monitored. All of you are so closed minded it is unreal, it is Impossible to guide any of you in any direction due to your closed minds of what some guy did. Once you see what you are putting your foot into, It might be best for you to just walk away. Everything you wonder about, if its been done, You wonder who knows the secret. Well, They will not tell you the keys for several Great reasons, All I can say Is I can't blame them.
This technology is Not what you think it is, And with a Closed Mind, And unwilling to dedicate the time to what i'm pointing out you will get nowhere fast. Deuterium is not far from you, And Urey isn't telling everything, You have been ask time after time to learn the isotopes still your ignorance choose to ignor, All of you. With these attitudes you want figure anything out unless you're really set on it, I mean dedicate your life to it. You have No ideal the trouble it can bring when you take it too the levels it needs to be at, There is Very little information on the internet and when you start to see things like Uranium then you start asking yourself if its what you really want to be working around. Do you have any Clue how much hydrogen you can pack in a rain drop? Urey got many liters in just a Cc.
I have tipped many of you off way too much time after time with no appreaciation, This is the end of the line. Keep Tuning your coils, And ignore stans synthetic gas, Fractional distillation and the 5 steps of D2o (Heavy Hydrogen.) If someone has to tell you how to do something, You may be too dumb to be around it, Best to just keep shut about it as we wouldn't want this information to end up in the wrong hands. I think I said enough to the willing as to the ones stuck in toyland, Well most of what I typed just whent way over their heads which is a good thing b/c they don't need to be barking around those tree's anyways..
And Up a Level you go, Look out for that Sticky water...
Outta here/ Done with having my information unappreciated, Sharing just sucks,, More like pulling a load.
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Brian,
Not sure where all this comes from.....
You have been out for a long time. Did you build any new things that really worked in that periode?
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brian,
Im sorry if you feel as if people are ignoring you and not appreciating your sharing... The way i see it is you brought a new idea/ perspective to the table.. For us not to thoroughly discuss, how are we ever gonna grasp how it can be possible what you say??
As for you saying you throw out hints... why do you just hint why not express yourself fully?
When someone brings something to your forum that may not go with common understanding why do you look at it as if they are not listening? Why don't you reply with the facts you have to show why it could be possible..
why not counter the statements with the facts you have.. instead of looking at it negatively?
You shared some links i read them and didnt gain the perspective you have... does not mean i wont eventually see it.. things dont just click when you want them to..
You say this technology is not what we think it is yet you have not replicated the concept of what we think it is.. You seem to have done lots of reading and are accumulating your ideas of what makes it work.. (when i say seem this means i could be wrong on my perspective so please dont take offense)
instead of looking at these comment you feel are ignoring the fact you bring (in a negative way) look at it as discussion..
I do appreciate your sharing and would like for you to keep sharing whatever you feel..
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I've been watching the forum and I see its direction, As well as progress.
Its time to view things from other angles as I just presented above. If you have a few bucks and Nothing to do then I would recommend, http://www.amazon.com/Atoms-Molecules-Quanta-2-Volumes/dp/B002K7PK3S
Grab it before someone else does... -
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Galvanic corrosion is the corrosion that results when two dissimilar metals with different potentials are placed in electrical contact in an electrolyte.
A difference in electrical potential exists between the different metals and serves as the driving force for electrical current flow through the corrodant or electrolyte. This current results in corrosion of one of the metals. The larger the potential difference, the greater the probability of galvanic corrosion.
Galvanic corrosion only causes deterioration of one of the metals. The less resistant, active metal becomes the anodic corrosion site. The stronger, more noble metal is cathodic and protected.
Galvanic corrosion potential is a measure of how dissimilar metals will corrode when placed against each other in an assembly. Metals close to one another on the chart generally do not have a strong effect on one another, but the farther apart any two metals are separated, the stronger the corroding effect on the one higher in the table.
This table lists the potential differences for various metals in water. The order of the series can change for different electrolytes (for example, different pH, ions in solution).
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Oxidization is caused By lose of electrons, ? -
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Yes, that is correct. Oxygen can be extremely reactive depending upon how many electrons are missing from the atom. Oxygen has a very high affinity for electrons(electronegativity) and will take them from anything such as hydrogen which is weaker or metals that have an abundance of free moving electrons like copper. That's why metals make good conductors. And if the reactive oxygen cannot find an electron to fill it's shell/s it will substitute it with stuff like dust particles. That's why "Oxyclean" is such a good cleaning product much like hydrogen peroxide. Can reactive oxygen steal electrons from water molecules? Yes, they can! -
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Here is a reference to my post above...
http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/freeradical3.htm
(http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/images/micrgrph.gif)
As the graph shows, the NMR signal that measures cluster size by line width at half-amplitude shows 65 Hz for reduced water and 133 Hz for tap water, revealing that the reduced water clusters are approximately half the size of tap water clusters.
Through electrolysis, reduced water not only gains an excess amount of electrons (e-), but the cluster of H2O seem to be reduced in size from about 10 to 13 molecules per cluster to 5 to 6 molecules per cluster. ( see the graph ) -
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interesting chart bubs... sorry to drift off topic a lil but can we say that the cluster size will also effect the absorption rate water has into the body? tap water being less saturating into tissue compared to micro which would be more absorbing.. all in all i think your charts saying contaminates can change the cluster size of a molecule of water?