Steve

So, i repeat:

What Meyer explained is that when you start with putting electrical stress to a water molecule and its atoms, you stretch the atoms, for real!!!!!!

You stretch the atoms for a moment.
Each time you stretch or flex the atoms, they release energy. The spinning moments of all internal particles in the nucleus of the atoms are slowing down and release energy.
The equilibrium state is broken.
Then nature starts to compensate and energy flows into the spinning particles, so they start spin again at the same rate as before.
So, if you shoot some voltage pulses into the water, the atoms are getting charged up because this energy flows thru a one way valve....Stans words.
The longer the non equilibrium state, to more zero point energy floats into the atoms for compensation.

So, what was Stan doing?
He used very tiny electrodes, at the end.
That makes it easier to send a high voltage pulse, before lots of current follow.
Using the dieelectric properties of water, means using the resistance of about 80 ohms
So, using very short, high voltage pulses .
And when a bit of gas is produced in the wfc, the resistance will go up, very high.
Thats why he used a collapsing coil. That way the discharge into the cell would adjust by it self.
The more resistance, means a higher voltage peak. and a longer duration of that peak. Till all charge has gone from the coil.

There must be a difference in weight between a hydrogen atom and a proton because the 1s electron shields the nucleus of the proton and neutralizes same charge of it.
However, when i google, most of the dummy´s give the same mass for a proton as for an atom.
And the molecule is of course times 2.

Ill guess and i read it also somewhere else that protons have more mass and more energy.

https://books.google.de/books?id=zUldcAIrL5kC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=monatomic+hydrogen&source=bl&ots=uUfhS7wE4B&sig=ACfU3U2ug5poUpRwimiLI8IuHA9iy1-Eow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY_KKy76_mAhUEShUIHQsxBSg4FBDoATADegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=monatomic%20hydrogen&f=false

I just try to understand Stans process.
He clearly is pulsing DC in stead of strait DC.
I know from my own experiments that the type of gas changes to the better for my test engines when i used unregulated DC.
Stans always claimed that his process is about de-stabilizing the gasses he produced.
So, what happens with the proton, swimming from the anode to the cathode? His bond with the oxygen atom was terminated when the oxygen let go some electrons at the anode.
The proton still feels the kathode and all electrons on it, so it moves towards the cathode. Right?
But, now we terminate the DC pulse. We remove the electrons from the kathode.
What will the swimming proton do? Go up and releases it self from the water bath?

Quote from: Steve on December 01, 2019, 12:36:53 pm

Stan tried to explain us his theory about using Voltage for breaking down the water molecule.
He wanted to overcome the attraction force of the bonding electrons.
Sofar nobody really explained this to me in a normal way.
I did some research and i want to share that with you, here on our forum.

The photoelectronic spectrum of H2O reveals four different energy levels that correspond to the ionization energies of the two bonding and two nonbonding pairs of elections at 12.6eV, 14.7eV, 18.5eV, and 32.2eV.

So what does that mean now?
It means that you need somewhere between 12,6 and 32,2 volts per bonding electron.

Now it becomes massive and tricky.

If you have two electrodes and you put 12,6v, you never ever get 12,6V on 1 molecule of water.
I explain: You dont have 1 electron on that electrode. You have a lot of them. And you have to divide the applied voltage per electron going to the other electrode.
If you have two electrons moving to the other electrode, you have 6,3V per electron.

So, back to Stans theory.
He needed to to use small electrodes, which he did. He had to use high voltage (lots of electrons)
Otherwise he would not be able to do any covalent bond breaking at all.

So, now it is you turn.
If we take 1 square inch of flat electrode.
How many electrons do you have on it when you apply 20kv?

Thanks for posting those photo electron voltages, Steve.  I wasn't aware that Stan was into that aspect.  One value he left out is the 6.1 ev for breaking out a single Hydrogen, leaving hydroxyl.  But keep in mind that these are kinetic energy values, representing precise electron velocities to produce impact dissociation.  A cloud of electrons traveling at one of the indicated velocities will produce the desired effect when injected into some water mist.  Vibrating free electrons in a water bath, at the exact velocity to cause the molecules to split, would be a good trick, and might be a more complex approach than is needed.  This is a quantum effect - a tiny bit too much voltage, and it won't work.

Thanks Tek,

Good point.
So, here is what Wiki has to say about this:
An electronvolt is the amount of kinetic energy gained or lost by a single electron accelerating from rest through an electric potential difference of one volt in vacuum.

So, if i have a potential difference of 1 volt across our waterfuelcell, electrons only flow from the cathode to the protons.
And also electrons from the water molecule flow to the anode.
The atoms feel the potential difference across a wfc.
Meaning that the higher the voltage potential across the electrodes, the more kinetec force electrons get?

coulomb?

Stan tried to explain us his theory about using Voltage for breaking down the water molecule.
He wanted to overcome the attraction force of the bonding electrons.
Sofar nobody really explained this to me in a normal way.
I did some research and i want to share that with you, here on our forum.

The photoelectronic spectrum of H2O reveals four different energy levels that correspond to the ionization energies of the two bonding and two nonbonding pairs of elections at 12.6eV, 14.7eV, 18.5eV, and 32.2eV.

So what does that mean now?
It means that you need somewhere between 12,6 and 32,2 volts per bonding electron.

Now it becomes massive and tricky.

If you have two electrodes and you put 12,6v, you never ever get 12,6V on 1 molecule of water.
I explain: You dont have 1 electron on that electrode. You have a lot of them. And you have to divide the applied voltage per electron going to the other electrode.
If you have two electrons moving to the other electrode, you have 6,3V per electron.

So, back to Stans theory.
He needed to to use small electrodes, which he did. He had to use high voltage (lots of electrons)
Otherwise he would not be able to do any covalent bond breaking at all.

So, now it is you turn.
If we take 1 square inch of flat electrode.
How many electrons do you have on it when you apply 20kv?

Stevie, Go ahead and Collect you a SCR.
Unlike our time together before stevie, I will be working with you in the same manner I have in the past few weeks.

Whatever makes you feel comfortable, Brian.
I must finish my replication of Horvath.
I have invested a lot of money in that crazy setup, so at least i have to finish it.
But little babys consume a lot of my time. The little dude is worth it..
So less daddy experimenting time at the moment..

I really need a 6" acrylic tube 13" long for my old tube cell. I do not even know where to purchase this. Any links for that or donations will be great! Thanks guys.

Google is yr best friend.....

https://www.estreetplastics.com/Acrylic-Tube-s/45.htm

For those that does not know,

Can you tell me what you hear him telling you?
Start at 33:26
He tries to explain the working of the cell.
I hear: two round electrodes and one is put inside of the other.
They want spark against eachother.
Thats what creates the hydrogen.
Basically he controlled a bomb.

The the same at 36:53
Lid of the cell and he saw sparks in the units (tubes)
He heard it snapping like electrical shorts
You need a strong alternator to keep the battery up.

Then at 43:46
Tiny sparks and the water started boiling

What do you hear?

Here is the schematic of Poch.
The coil must be bifilar.
Then tune the frequency and also the pulse width.

 

remember Pochintwin?



He replicated our circuit and he used a big bifilar toroid....

I have still all his data.

Like 350w in and like 500w into the cell

Or in his other video 60w in the circuit and 220watts out...in the cell....Brutal

Just watch this.....
This is what you want to do, i think..
Its called a boost converter.
This guy is lighting a 12v led on a 1.5v battery.
The coil gets charged first and then the coil discharges, plus the 1.5v of the battery in series.
So shortly you get and power boost, so to say..
It is fun to build.
I once made one with a wfc,
I always wanted to go back to it again...

Remember that circuit we build that showed more power out then in?
Thats the other variant....
Charge the coil and cell, switch off and part of the bifcoil got its charge from the cell and then power on, double power to the cell....

With a low resistance watercell, you might need to add a second transistor. 1 extra after the diode. So, one that breaks the connection to the capacitor...when you switches on the other transistor for charging the coil.

can you post a video of the gas production?

I have a question. I need some sort of confirmation of you guy,s, here on our forum.
Its about the following setup:
A two electrode watercell connected to ground and also a coil connected to ground.
Both hooked up to a pulsing DC.
You will create resonance.
The question is if the cell stays polarised because it is connected to ground.?

Just past this code in the falstadt simulator and play with it.
You will see very high voltage peaks across the cell.

https://www.falstad.com/circuit/

$ 0 0.000005 11.086722712598126 50 5 50
c 112 208 112 288 0 1.0000000000000001e-7 1.0745206956359044e-9
l 208 208 208 288 0 0.1 2.7158390326613247e-12
w 112 208 160 208 0
w 160 208 208 208 0
w 112 288 160 288 0
w 160 288 208 288 0
g 160 288 160 336 0
w 160 208 160 160 0
s 160 160 320 160 0 1 true
R 320 160 432 160 0 0 40 5 0 0 0.5
r 160 208 160 288 0 20000
o 0 64 0 4107 0.3125 0.000390625 0 2 0 3
o 1 64 0 4107 0.3125 0.000390625 1 2 1 3

The 3 cm distance between the two electrodes matches nicely with the 3nm wave lenght...
Standing waves.......

Soft X-rays are electromagnetic radiation with wavelength in the range of 0.12 nm to 5nm (or 5 millionths of a millimeter). This range of “light” lies between UV (like the light from a tanning bed) and Hard X-rays (which you might receive at the dentist’s office).

Photons in this range of the electromagnetic spectrum have energies of 250eV to 10,000eV.

Due to the inherently short wavelength of the soft X-ray, one is able to use this “light” to see extremely small features and to make minute features.

Within the soft X-ray regime, there is a region called the “water window” (2.32-4.36nm) in which the “light” passes through water, but is absorbed by Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Sulphur. In this region brilliant images of biological materials can be capture that are unavailable with other techniques.

do you have that video, ks?

Thanks for the comments X-Blade.

Your right, one gas starts being produced at a higher rate it leaves the surface. My theory is that once the initial conditions are met and the system goes into resonance another phenomenon occurs, the cell moves away from being an electrochemical cell and becomes an electric double layer capacitor.

I've had the theory on the double layer for a long time now and discussed it at length on open- source- energy with user Farrahday years ago.

If you can get the cell to behave like a double layer capacitor a good argument can then be made about how the system works and still complies with scientific law...I'll cover my theories on that in a later video.

My compliments for the great videos. I really mean that.
You did all the math and i think you might be right here. I remember what Ronny said about starting with electrolysis.
There are two points here which i want to put on the table.
1. If you are able to go from a water filled capacitor to an air or gas filled capacitor, then for sure that has an impact on voltage and capacitance
2. I did and all of you, propably, tests with our cells. What happend is that the higher you go in volts, the higher in amps you will pull.
Its very simple. Voltage = resistance times amps. Higher voltage , same resistance, higher amps
That threshold goes up to around 90V orso. Depends on the cell.
If you go higher in volts, then the amps doesnt go higher, as it seems some kind of limit to it...
I also found out that hydrogen is very very very higly conductive.
That would contradict with the Ronny theory as plain water is way less conductive at the start.

The Herman Andersson setup however, does support your and Rons theory as it uses pulsed low voltage with high amps and High voltage bursts low amps.
Same for one of the Horvarth setup.

I think that you should try to run electrolysis on your little cell and raise the voltage from zero to 600 volts, pulsed..  Then make a graph of the amps draw over the spectrum.
Remember Stan had informed a guy , i believe in Switserland or so, and that guy wrote that he had confirmed Stans technology witha very tiny cell...
Maybe big cells are not working with this technology.

Keep on doing the great work! Looking forward to your next videos, Adriank.

Cheers
Steve

I am also curious what your ideas are.

To turn on a car, your electromotor needs torque.
If you use a high rpm e motor and a gear ratio that goes from 120k rpm to 100 rpm, you might even make the engine turn.....
I want to see a video of that......