Steve

I tried this and noway i found any raise in voltage across the cell....
Not sure if extra electrolyte will help, Fabio.
It is confusing...

It looks like its just discharging obviously because thers no voltage applied.
The geometry being tubes instead of flat plates also obviously formed a decent capacitor.
I dont know why nobody ever shows a cell being pulsed with 26 volts charging up to 1000 volts or more....thats the example Stan gave ?
The water polarizes as soon as a voltage is present...polarization simply means the hydrogen is attracted to the negative and the oxygen to the possitive....when voltage is present they become polarized...simple.

i agree here with Newguy...

its almost Christmas...
Unles you are moslims, then you should know what the christmas thoughts are?

Hohoho 

it doesnt have to be on youtube.
Just upload it here.
And you can remove it after a day if you feel thr need...

thanks for all the posts here.
If somebody claims to have a working Meyer setup then why doesnt anybody take a little bit of time and post a video of it?
With some explanation in it.
Its that simple...

The other option is:
Transformer isolated converter by the forward converter concept.



That way you can create the low voltage high voltage switching and double frequency at the cell.

So the choke coil(s) gets a charge, the waterfuelcell gets a charge.
What to do with that?
Hmmmmmmmmm.
I know it!!!!!!
The cell has a negative discharge peak when you cut off the charge.
Coils have a negative discharge too, so when the buck boost coil is getting charged by the transistor or transformer secondairy, the otherside is also helping charging tue buck boost coil.
In parallel charging up the buck boost coil....
Is that not efficient?
YES.
Another 100 point for Steve.
Is that not some kind of an electron extraction circuit?
Yes it is!!!!
100 points 

guess what type of resistance Stanley used?
Something that doesnt suddenly reacts on quick changing voltages?

Yes! Coils have that behaviour!
100 points for Steve 
And what type of coils are designed for softening voltage peaks?
I know it. I know it!!!!!
Choke coils!!!!!!
Another 100 point for Steve 
Shall i continue?

VIC = transformer isolated converter = Tic
VIC=TIC
A buck Boost type of converter.
It is Ampere limiting.
It is step charging the watercell.
It shoots Back emf or reversed coil discharging charge into the waterfuelcell.
Discharging a coil strait into a waterfuelcell doesnt work as t is to short for the waterfuelcell to react.
By adding a resistance we have a longer t and the discharge can charge up the cell

Hello Steve.

It is clear on the Independent Test Evaluation Report that it is not overunity, nor even 100% efficient.

The supposed gain as Stan claims was from resonant cavity but nobody saw any demonstration.

That was a test with a tubecell driven by an alternator electromotor setup.
Thats not OU at all from an electricity perspective.
If he had the bif coil in there and he would have hit the water with hv spikes, then he might have createe a different isotope of hydrogen with more mol mass.
Then the ou numbers would be different......

I only can say that the thicker the metal, the less resistance?
But from Stan files, i cannot remember him mentioning anything like that except that he was clear and happy to see how many electrons copperwire contains...

Maybe it's time for a lesson in basic electronics:D The only problem with Meyer's technology is that nobody has a clue as to what he was doing in his circuit, so let's walk through it. In the circuit below we have a pulsed DC current input to a toroidal core transformer, the secondaries of this transformer form a resonant series circuit. The resonant series "working circuit" consisting of the secondary transformer windings, blocking diode, a resonant charging choke,water cell capacitor and variable inductor. When people look at this circuit they see what they want to see, that is what there textbooks have told them they should see, but that is not all there is. So let's see what really happens based on facts I have learned from actually building the circuit.
First a DC pulse charges the toroidal transformer primary inducing a higher potential voltage in the transformer secondaries. Since the primary current is pulsed DC the secondary current is also pulsed DC, the secondary windings produce a current flow through the blocking diode then when the primary current is abruptly stopped an inductive discharge (flyback current) is discharged through the blocking diode from the secondaries. Many people consider the inductive discharge and other reactive components as having no power in them but this is only because they lack the understanding of how these reactive components should be utilized. The inductive discharge would normally fly right through this circuit with little effect if it not for one component ---the resonant charging choke. I wonder why it is named resonant "charging" choke? this would imply it is charged by something and it is charged by the inductive discharge from the transformer secondaries. The resonant charging choke is Tesla patent 512340 "coil for electromagnets" and is a bifiliar wound coil. This coil does one thing-----it stores the high voltage inductive discharge from the transformer secondaries as capacitance between the conductor windings and this capacitance also cancels the inductance of the coil. This is one point many people cannot seem to understand, If the capacitance of this coil constitutes energy stored in the form of an electrostatic field then this capacitance must discharge when the circuit potential drops but the capacitance is not polarized externally:eek: ----so where does it discharge to?. The blocking diode ensures the resonant charging choke current discharges in the same direction as the current that charged it in the first place. So here we have a situation where the induced current in the secondaries charges the resonant charging choke and the water cell capacitor, next the resonant charging choke discharges with an equal current in the same direction through the water cell capacitor. The resonant charging choke bifiliar would coil is an integral part of what Tesla refered to as a "magnifying effect" whereby the potential of the circuit does as much "work" as the current. Next we have a variable inductor after the water cell, this variable inductance is designed to tune the circuit. A variable inductor stores energy in the form of a magnetic field, this inductance can act just like a flywheel. That is the inductance will oppose a rising current by producing a magnetic field and it will oppose a falling current by raising its voltage to maintain current----just like a flywheel uses momentum to resist change. That is the purpose of the variable inductance---to maintain current flow in one direction through the circuit which includes the water cell capacitor. I hope you are starting to see what is happening in this circuit, there is no overunity---that is impossible, there is no magical zero point energy appearing out of nowhere, there are no fairies sprinkling magical pixie dust to power the circuit. There are know and proven facts, action and reaction, in this case the facts are that the inductive discharge current from the transformer secondaries has never been utilized in an efficient manner. Each DC input pulse will raise both circuit potential and current simultaneously, as such the energy or "work" performed in the working circuit will always be greater than the input energy.
It is said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So why do you do the same things over and over, building your circuits in exactly the same way, it should be obvious you will never achieve different nor better results.

I will break the basic effect down in terms I hope everyone can understand. The resonant charging choke does not utilize EM induction(ie.. a magnetic field) it utilizes electrostatic induction(the electric field) like a capacitor.
If you take a balloon and rub it in your hair the balloon becomes electrostatically charged through friction. If you bring another balloon near the original one there will be an attractive force between the two because the charged balloon induces an opposite charge in the approaching balloon. The laws of electrostatic induction state the originally charged balloon will NOT lose charge but will charge the other balloon in an opposite sense---google electrostatic induction for yourself if you don't believe this. We can say the two balloons are now a capacitor---two oppositely charged objects(conductors) with a dielectric between them (air). There is also an issue of "net" charge whereby electrons must move to the approaching balloon from a source but that is not an issue here.
There is no difference between the balloons and metal conductors such as copper wires the only thing that matters in surface area. The two separated balloons form a capacitor, two metal plates can form a capacitor or two copper wires separated by a dielectric(the insulation). Physics states one object can charge another in an opposite sense and the object inducing the charge will not lose charge thus it has lost no energy. Read whatever you wish into this, It is a scientific fact and I did not make this up for your benefit.
The main problem is that nobody other than Tesla has bothered to understand what might happen if a very high voltage(electrostatic) short duration pulse were applied to two conductors separated (a capacitor) by there insulation( the dielectric). Also what happens when the two plates are connected in series? Potential moves on the surface of the conductors before one milliamp of current moves so there is an instant when the two separated conductors wound one the same core have a huge potential difference between them. One conductor has a surface charge in motion but the next winding ahead of it has yet to be charged thus an opposite charge is induced in it creating a potential difference, when the circuit voltage drops this inter-winding capacitance is discharged as an electric current. But the current is a product of electrostatic induction not a changing magnetic field as in EM induction. In which case--- the source of the charge(the line voltage)inducing an opposite charge in the secondary windings can lose no energy in the process" as physics states. Only extremely short duration/high voltage pulses manifest this effect, such as high frequency square waves at high voltage which is exactly what Meyer's was using in his working circuit.

Quote from: X-Blade on October 22, 2018, 17:14:59 pm

Edward Mitchell was another idiot like you.
Pulling so many power to his cell, creating steam bubbles and calling it Hydrogen.
This board have that amazing scientific content...

sorry Neal. You are not an idiot.
X blade` please choose other words.
For me.

thanks
Steve

Quote from: Steve on October 24, 2018, 09:09:03 am

all those people who run away, i dont understand.
If you want to share yr results, then please do so.
Why run when 1 person is negative?
Dont go in discussion with him but appreciate thr good people.
Its the same on all forums, sadly enough.

New Guy, really?

Yea i dont appreciate the attacks on Neal and Ronnie.
Nobody has to follow anybody ,those that think they wasted time and money following anybody with this stuff wasnt in it for the right reason to begin with.
I cant speak for everyone but its really hard to want to engage with a  research group with 800 guests that contributes jack shit compared with the usual 5 or 6 members.
Id suggest finding a way to get the 800 guests to engage in discussion and be a real part of the group or close ther eyes.I cant be the only one not interested in such a huge silent audience.

P.s.

Hope everybody had a nice summer and ready for the season once again

The summer was great. Thanks. I became a dad for the fourth time 
So, most of my free time is consumed by the little one. But in some weeks, i might be back on the project.
You know, many of us are frustrated by not seeing real results after putting a lot of money in the project.
Members walk away to other forums and just sneak peak here.
If you have any suggestions what to do to change that, then please let me know.

I run this forum from my hart for years. I funded it out of my own pocket.
I have seen attacks, technically and written ones.

I just wanted to create a place where we inventors / replicators can exchange info.
Not a bulley place or whatever else.
I share what i did.
I hope to inspire others as well.
But ill gues the light goes slowly out with a lot of guys....Which i understand too.

Hope you stay for a while and if you find another nice forum, please let me know....

Cheers
Steve

Hi guys.

I apologize about that, but I was sincere and a lot of people over this boards know that Ronnie said a lot of nonsense and contradictions, he was making people loose their time and money with crap theories and until today nobody saw  his damn cell working.
He only wants attention and bear with me for being honest about my thinking.
It wasnt me who started do go to the level of name calling, and one advice to you all:

Dont be affraid to say what you thing about SCAMS because some people try to get advantage against the others with less knowledge about this "technology".

I will not take off any word I said about Meyer demo Cells, and about Ronnie.

Hi X blade,

I understand your frustrations. I really do.
I only cannot state that Ronnie or Neal or Stan are frauds, because i could not replicate their work.
We have seen videos of Stan.
It would be so much easier if Ron or Neal or somebody else from his peer group would post a video in which they show their claims.
I must say that i liked Rons explanation, in contrast to you. But thats all personal.

Cheers

all those people who run away, i dont understand.
If you want to share yr results, then please do so.
Why run when 1 person is negative?
Dont go in discussion with him but appreciate thr good people.
Its the same on all forums, sadly enough.

New Guy, really?

am i not looking on the forum for a couple of days , do i see this childisch behaviour.
Please act as adults.
Thanks.

thanks for posting.
It is known that you can charge a cap that way.
Ill guess the trick is to short the wfc after a charge...
So, not really step charging but discharging...

plse make sure that the space around the innerrod is the same in totall diameter as yr standard carburator inlet diameter.

The other thing is that the container wirh the water petrol mix becomes very cold during operations. That shuts it down...

Try to insulate yr geet reaction chamber so you can keep it as hot as you can...As close to the exhaust hole as well.

And the diameter of yr exhaust hole must match the space around the two tubes where the exhaust gasses go thru.

In stead of using that glas bottle you might think of using two smaller carburators. One for water and one for petrol.

Did you take a look at that huge geet build pics?

My best results with geet i got with my hho cell and an bubler filled with used oil....

I like it that you want to test a geet system.
If you have any questions....

cheers!