Old cows new insides?
Started by unknown · · 15 posts · last reply 18 September 2016
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How Meyers setup works according to Ted Zettergen:
If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that. It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred. Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work with. The components must resist at least 2000V.
The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.
The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.
Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current, this experiment will really surprise you.
For even less current you can make some experiment with a centertapped puls-transformer.
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The key to the Meyer process is resonance, and without resonance the
system produces no gas. At 12watts you see why no gas is produced
without resonance. This is a standard LC resonant circuit in which you
MUST (!) match Capacitive reactance with Inductive reactance. This
then creates an LC resonant circuit in which the two legs of the power
supply match in frequency exactly. A Ham calc make the calculation of
resonance easy once you know the capacitance of the cell and the
frequency you are driving it at. Once you have your inductance
calculated you then buy the proper chokes 07/24/2005 12:18 AMYahoo!
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within the inductance range needed. The adjustable one needs
(obviously) to be tunable within a small range, so that when the cell
temperature changes and causes the capacitance of the cell to change,
then the inductance can also be changed to keep the cell in resonance.
If you cell has the ability to vary distance between conductors, then
you simply change the distance and thus change the capacitance of the
cell rather than changing the inductance. You must vary one of the
other though. I have found since then that the capacitance of the cell
can be changed and works just as well as the inductors being adjusted.
You don't use ANY electrolyte, you don't want ANY amperage at all,
only voltage @ resonance. REPEAT, YOU DON'T NEED ANY CURRENT FLOW,
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Hi Steve.
Nice to see you are there, this forum almost stopped.
There are other people claiming the same like UncleFester (Tad Johnson) but no one showed it.
It looks to be unreachable to us, water varies the dielectric constant in function of frequency and temperature.
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Well, its my forum, so i am always here
Do you have any idea on how to calculate or to measure the capacitance of a waterfuelcell?
cheers!
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#6 · date not recorded
Well, its my forum, so i am always here
Do you have any idea on how to calculate or to measure the capacitance of a waterfuelcell?
cheers!
Dry the cell completely and measure it with air.
Air dielectric is very near to 1.
Then multiply by the water dielectric constant.
I made some experiments with paper as dielectric and it correspond correct.
By the way I have some doubts abou wfc behaving like a real capacitor... -
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Well, its my forum, so i am always here
Do you have any idea on how to calculate or to measure the capacitance of a waterfuelcell?
cheers!
Dry the cell completely and measure it with air.
Air dielectric is very near to 1.
Then multiply by the water dielectric constant.
I made some experiments with paper as dielectric and it correspond correct.
By the way I have some doubts abou wfc behaving like a real capacitor...
Ok Xblade. The cell is now drying in the sun....
Lets see what the single cells will show and what they do in series....
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I have some thoughts to share and discuss with you, since nobody cares on the Russ forum because I am on Max Miller forum.
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#9 ·
Dear all,
Most of us know that a bifilar coil has a high capacitance.
How about this: If we use in Meyers schematic a bifilar coil, is that like putting a capacitor in front of 2 normal choke coils?
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#10 · date not recorded
recently i have thought a lot about the bifilar and the most important application i find is to have most coupling and perfect turn ratio of 1:1
i was thinking lately about using a bifilar to form a center tap and get half wave rectification out of it.. with two diodes...
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Let me tell you what i think.
I think Meyer used 2 normal coils as chokes or he used 2 bifilar coils as choke.
Read TWO. Not 1.
Think about it.
If you use 1 bif coil, you automatically create in Meyers circuit a serie and parallel RLC circuit.
If i understand Tad well, he used single coils and in such a way that you only have serie resonance....
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Dear all,
Most of us know that a bifilar coil has a high capacitance.
How about this: If we use in Meyers schematic a bifilar coil, is that like putting a capacitor in front of 2 normal choke coils?
A bifilar coil produces two wave forms from a single wave input. JL Naudin shows that Tesla's bifilar pancake coil will drive Meyer's cell. But he still had to use a choke, to choke off the amps.
Also, Meyer did not use normal choke coils. The output from the secondary went to the choke coils, but his choke coils were also secondary windings themselves, being on the same core as the primary. Therefor, Meyer chokes produce two wave forms, exactly the same as Tesla's bifilar coil. -
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Well, i want to approach this not the same way as most of all testers and inventors.
The first stage of the VIC is to step up voltage and to turn a squarewave into a sinewave.
I seen that on my scope. It doubles the frequency, as Meyer said.
That part can be done on a single core as the chokes also seem to work fine on an extra set of cores, according to some members.
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Steve, each coil has its own inductance and capacitance, and performs like a paralel RLC circuit, when it happens at resonance of itself LC components, it represents a high reactance value and voltage across it. -
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Dont matter if its bifilar or single wound.
Bifilar is used to both coils match inductance and capacitance of them self
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