Bedini Energizer Kits Available!
Started by admin · · 107 posts · last reply 11 September 2015
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#26 ·
Geoffrey, we will have the boards very soon, we are simply verifying that all things are working correctly, and that we have all parts in stock for shipping. you may make a board for yourself, but you may not make them for sale without a licensing agreement from John Bedini as all the circuits are patented. Teslagenx has a licensing and marketing agreement with Energenx for worldwide marketing of Bedini Designed Circuits. We also have an agreement for selling on this forum with Aaron and John Bedini.geoffrey sr miller wrote:
Hi John B. & John K.
Is this SSG board going to be available any time soon?
Because I am thinking about making boards with parts to sell.
Is the reason that the SSG boards are not available now is,
because they have a lot of liability on them.
Like people getting there fingers in the SSG boards and getting shock?
And coming back to the people that made them?
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Thanks and have a great day
Geoffrey
Please be patient its a marathon not a sprint.
all boards are experimental and are sold as such.
Tom C -
#27 ·
Tom C wrote:
Geoffrey, we will have the boards very soon, we are simply verifying that all things are working correctly, and that we have all parts in stock for shipping. you may make a board for yourself, but you may not make them for sale without a licensing agreement from John Bedini as all the circuits are patented. Teslagenx has a licensing and marketing agreement with Energenx for worldwide marketing of Bedini Designed Circuits. We also have an agreement for selling on this forum with Aaron and John Bedini.
Please be patient its a marathon not a sprint.
all boards are experimental and are sold as such.
Tom C
Hi Tom C
I just thought I would offer some help making coils, boards cutting plastic etc..,
John B never got back to me on making the coils, boards cutting plastic etc....
I talk to him a couple of month's ago. I have a coil wrapping machine ect...
Have you or John B or John K running 5,000 watts of power off of the charge batteries for a continuous load 24/7
using the SSG TO CHARGE them ?
If NO , why not ?
Thanks and have a great day!
Geoffrey -
#28 ·
Hi Geoffrey,geoffrey sr miller wrote:
Have you or John B or John K running 5,000 watts of power off of the charge batteries for a continuous load 24/7
using the SSG TO CHARGE them ?
If NO , why not ?
Thanks and have a great day!
Geoffrey
Since you asked, no I have not. You wanna know why? It's not because this technology does not work, which is what you are implying.
For me it's purely the cost of having to do that. You've been researching this for a while by the looks of your website, so you should understand the numbers. So lets have a look them.
To run 5kW for 24/7 means that you would be drawing 416.67 amps @ 12 volts. This means, assuming you don't want to replace your batteries ever and you run them at the C20 rate, you need 8,333.34 amp hours of batteries. That's a big cost in batteries, I don't know maybe $5k at a guess.
Since we know if you want to keep your batteries you can't charge and discharge them at the same time. So now I need one set of batteries to run my 5kW inverter and one set being charged by the SSG. So now I need 16,666.67 amp hours worth of 12 volt batteries. That's a lot of batteries and a lot of cash!
All right, so now we have our batteries and we also spent a few hundred dollars building a vented area to store them in and then another few hundred for the copper buss bars and cables to connect them all together. Add some more cash for distilled water and testing equipment for maintenance.
Now we need a 5kW pure sine wave inverter because we plan on running some computers and inductive loads like refrigerators and washing machines etc. about another $3k for a decent one.
Since we have the money to splash around we design and build, or buy, an automated battery swapping solution that can handle 500 amps and zero switching time when swapping. Add another $1k or thereabouts.
Right, so now we have all of that what's left. Oh yeah, an SG that can charge up 416.67 amp hours of 12 volt batteries before I run down the other bank, about 24 hours. By the time you design and build that you're up to another $5k, more if you add your time for what it's worth.
So if you add that all up you are looking at around 20 gorillas to build and run a 5kW setup, which for me is about half of my daily average electricity usage. I know other people that use up 30kWh per day so they would need a system 6 times bigger.
I don't know about you, but right now I don't have a spare 20 grand to get half off the grid. And that is why I don't run a 5kW inverter 24/7, OK?
Thanks for asking and you have a nice day too
John K. -
#29 ·
This is an interesting post. I came to the same conclusion awhile back...I kind of see having a working SG around as a "survival" tool. I do a little bit of prepping for a SHTF scenario, and having a quiet machine like that in the house out of sight...that can charge up a few batteries to power some essentials would be a godsend. I would worry solar panels would be stolen.
It's unfortunate however that the setup you describe is so far out of reach financially.
Looking forward to new battery technology in the future, maybe from John B, that can handle deep cycle applications and be drastically cheaper...
John_Koorn wrote:
Hi Geoffrey,
Since you asked, no I have not. You wanna know why? It's not because this technology does not work, which is what you are implying.
For me it's purely the cost of having to do that. You've been researching this for a while by the looks of your website, so you should understand the numbers. So lets have a look them.
To run 5kW for 24/7 means that you would be drawing 416.67 amps @ 12 volts. This means, assuming you don't want to replace your batteries ever and you run them at the C20 rate, you need 8,333.34 amp hours of batteries. That's a big cost in batteries, I don't know maybe $5k at a guess.
Since we know if you want to keep your batteries you can't charge and discharge them at the same time. So now I need one set of batteries to run my 5kW inverter and one set being charged by the SSG. So now I need 16,666.67 amp hours worth of 12 volt batteries. That's a lot of batteries and a lot of cash!
All right, so now we have our batteries and we also spent a few hundred dollars building a vented area to store them in and then another few hundred for the copper buss bars and cables to connect them all together. Add some more cash for distilled water and testing equipment for maintenance.
Now we need a 5kW pure sine wave inverter because we plan on running some computers and inductive loads like refrigerators and washing machines etc. about another $3k for a decent one.
Since we have the money to splash around we design and build, or buy, an automated battery swapping solution that can handle 500 amps and zero switching time when swapping. Add another $1k or thereabouts.
Right, so now we have all of that what's left. Oh yeah, an SG that can charge up 416.67 amp hours of 12 volt batteries before I run down the other bank, about 24 hours. By the time you design and build that you're up to another $5k, more if you add your time for what it's worth.
So if you add that all up you are looking at around 20 gorillas to build and run a 5kW setup, which for me is about half of my daily average electricity usage. I know other people that use up 30kWh per day so they would need a system 6 times bigger.
I don't know about you, but right now I don't have a spare 20 grand to get half off the grid. And that is why I don't run a 5kW inverter 24/7, OK?
Thanks for asking and you have a nice day too
John K. -
#30 ·
Hi Branch,Branch Gordon wrote:
This is an interesting post. I came to the same conclusion awhile back...I kind of see having a working SG around as a "survival" tool. I do a little bit of prepping for a SHTF scenario, and having a quiet machine like that in the house out of sight...that can charge up a few batteries to power some essentials would be a godsend. I would worry solar panels would be stolen.
It's unfortunate however that the setup you describe is so far out of reach financially.
Looking forward to new battery technology in the future, maybe from John B, that can handle deep cycle applications and be drastically cheaper...
I'm not trying to discourage anyone from researching and building this technology, but merely stating the reality. As JB would say "there is no free energy, you have to pay for it".
Yes, the energy is free for the taking but just like a solar panel or a windmill you must pay for it first before you can get the energy free from the environment.
Now I'm not saying that this technology is out of reach either. Most people on a meagre income can build the basic SG and prove to themselves that the technology works as claimed and demonstrated, if built as directed. Once they are familiar with the concepts and principles of John Bedini's patented technology, it's then up to them to choose what they want to do with it.
I do get a little disappointed when asked if I am using JB's technology for large practical applications and if not, why not. Such questions are perceived as being intrusive and imply that as a supporter of the technology I should have a large practical free energy system in use. However, I have found from experience that usually the underlying question is really "does this stuff work?".
John K. -
#31 ·
Hi John K.
John I love your long post!
It points out to people what it takes to run off the grid Elect. and what it costs to run.
I Know that the SSG works, I have built them for years as far back as the 1980's when john B put out his book. and I saw him.
The key is to use the SSG as a PRIME MOVER, I know that it is not used that way but it can be!
20,000$ will give you 16 years @ 100.00 mo. using the elect. grid. and this is why the grid is still used today, but you know this.
What is needed is a new PRIME MOVER hook up to a 10,000 or 20,000 watt GEN., IT is coming!
And Do away with solar,win and batteries!.
Thanks for responding, I hope we can talk on the phone my # 215-910-1193
Have a great day!
Geoffrey -
#32 ·
Hi Tom C.
Does Rick F. have a licensing agreement with John B to be selling his NEW SSG double disc unit on his website.
IF it is John B patented technology?
Thanks
Geoffrey
Tom C wrote:
Geoffrey, we will have the boards very soon, we are simply verifying that all things are working correctly, and that we have all parts in stock for shipping. you may make a board for yourself, but you may not make them for sale without a licensing agreement from John Bedini as all the circuits are patented. Teslagenx has a licensing and marketing agreement with Energenx for worldwide marketing of Bedini Designed Circuits. We also have an agreement for selling on this forum with Aaron and John Bedini.
Please be patient its a marathon not a sprint.
all boards are experimental and are sold as such.
Tom C -
#33 ·
Hi John B.
If all electronics. are potted WILL the neon bulbs be in there too?
Or will neon bulbs be out in the open so you can see them?
Could you put up a pic. of the potted circuit of your new piastic SSG unit?
Are you and Chuck still going to work on the crystal cells, after you finish getting the SG plastic unit ready to sell at the end of Dec.?
Have you and Chuck done anything else with the self running oscillator / battery unit that you built?
Thanks, Geoffrey
John_Bedini wrote:
Geoffrey,
Ok, Yes I have my reasons for doing this I want everybody on the same page so the machine is understood.
For example, if the board is built here and tested we know the machine is working on good batteries. The best battery can be bought at wal-mart. The battery is a garden battery it works the best with the machine. The only thing I see is they have been sitting on the shelf for months and must be charged to bring them back, this requires charge and dis-charging for at least two to three times before running on the machine. I cut these batteries off at 15.23 volts to not over charge them. Other things here are, if your battery will not raise to 15 volts easily they are leaking and must be looked at as maybe useless. Using used batteries for testing works in some case but not all. If your only using the machine for reviving batteries that is something different.
I would really like people to invest in good batteries and not use used batteries the may have been abused and have bad cells. In my testing I remove 1 AmpHr from the battery because of it's size and good testing can be performed doing it this way, charting is easy this way. If you take the battery below 11 volts under hard load you may damage it. Most systems use a C20 discharge rate for this type of battery. C10 at the max for 1 AmpHr out not letting the battery go below 11 volts.
John -
#34 ·
geoffrey sr miller wrote:
I Know that the SSG works, I have built them for years as far back as the 1980's when john B put out his book. and I saw him.
The key is to use the SSG as a PRIME MOVER, I know that it is not used that way but it can be!
Geoffrey
If you want to go offgrid then using this Tesla impulse / sharp gradient technology to generate hydrogen instead of charging batteries would be much more efficient.
Hydrogen is an ideal fuel source. It burns hot and clean. It can run engines, create steam, or be burned directly for heat. It's a very efficient for home heating because it can be burned inside with no need for vents.
Steam power is one of the oldest sources of electricity and still the most common by far. Nearly all large scale power generation is steam based.
Sharp gradient pulsed DC has already been repeatedly proven capable of generating hydrogen very efficiently.
SSG devices are good tools for learning about Tesla impulse / sharp gradient technology.
It's unreasonable to think that every home could have a massive bank of batteries and inverters. A small diesel engine genset running on hydrogen could power a whole neighborhood easily. -
#35 ·
@all,bluestix wrote:
It's unreasonable to think that every home could have a massive bank of batteries and inverters. A small diesel engine genset running on hydrogen could power a whole neighborhood easily.
Drawing 5000 watts steady for a home is what I think is unreasonable - Geoffrey didn't say 5000 watts for home use, but people's homes are usually the biggest investment of their life and to take care of home first, it won't need that much for the average home. If anyone is burning 5kw steady at their home, there is something wrong.
My last home, which had an electric oven, electric hot water heater, etc... used about 780 kwh per month - that is an average of about 1kwh every hour 24/7. That doesn't account for the peaks of the water heater, oven or clothes dryer but 1kwh isn't much.
For electric at my new home, I use use 450 kwh per month, which is only an average of 625 watts every hour 24/7 and this house is 3000 square ft. The electric clothes dryer is the biggest load I have when it is on. I'm about to change all the lights to LED to drop it even more and have a better power factor. But my priority is weatherization and insulation. Getting a large triple pane window to replace my #1 heat loss in the home. I think everyone should be focusing on using what they have the most efficiently first before looking at building a home power plant where they're going to be wasting half of what it makes anyway.
625 watts per hour average means I only need 2 banks of batteries that are about 1000ah rated each.
Solar is so cheap now - about $1.50 per watt for good panels.
So with 2 battery banks, a Solar Tracker III, 5 coiler SSG with the cap dump (to replace the Solar Tracker at night) and some solar panels, I'll be off the grid for my electricity at fairly low cost.
I do rely on gas for my radiant water heating system and hot water tank, but those will be replaced with electric heat pumps pre-heated by solar so my electric won't go up too much.
Anyway, for the average home in America at least, 5000 watts steady is complete overkill.
This SSG kit, the topic of this thread, is a learning tool that proves the point that has been discussed for years and that is why it is available. This SSG kit is not claimed to be a home power plant, nor is it intended to be one so any discussion about it not being able to fulfill that need is completely irrelevant to this thread. Hopefully, we can stay on topic. There are plenty of threads on some of these other topics and if there isn't one - its easy to start one. -
#36 ·
All the kits for the current production run are completely sold out and we are not taking any more orders for now until these are all tested and shipped out.
I'll post a message when they're available for order again - thank you for understanding! -
#37 ·
That's great for a few enthusiasts but still not feasible as an actual alternative to grid power.Aaron Murakami wrote:
So with 2 battery banks, a Solar Tracker III, 5 coiler SSG with the cap dump (to replace the Solar Tracker at night) and some solar panels, I'll be off the grid for my electricity at fairly low cost.
2 x 1000amp hour battery banks X 100M+ homes is billions of pounds of lead.
Also... its very hard to get Solar Tracker III's because they are 'made by hand'. Six weeks minimum wait time for one unit. Still waiting on mine.
SSG bike wheel kits are great learning tools. All sold out already.
Five coiler SSG also no longer available because Rick spent all his money on a conference (which was awesome) and no one else sells them AFAIK.
So I think I will rewatch all the Stan Meyer lectures while I wait for my Solar Tracker to ship. -
#38 ·
I have to agree with aaron on this one, efficiencies first before pursuing your electrical needs. the planning of an off the grid home requires a different set of appliances, Dc ammonia cycle fridges, dc microwaves, wood for home heating.Aaron Murakami wrote:
@all,
Drawing 5000 watts steady for a home is what I think is unreasonable - Geoffrey didn't say 5000 watts for home use, but people's homes are usually the biggest investment of their life and to take care of home first, it won't need that much for the average home. If anyone is burning 5kw steady at their home, there is something wrong.
My last home, which had an electric oven, electric hot water heater, etc... used about 780 kwh per month - that is an average of about 1kwh every hour 24/7. That doesn't account for the peaks of the water heater, oven or clothes dryer but 1kwh isn't much.
For electric at my new home, I use use 450 kwh per month, which is only an average of 625 watts every hour 24/7 and this house is 3000 square ft. The electric clothes dryer is the biggest load I have when it is on. I'm about to change all the lights to LED to drop it even more and have a better power factor. But my priority is weatherization and insulation. Getting a large triple pane window to replace my #1 heat loss in the home. I think everyone should be focusing on using what they have the most efficiently first before looking at building a home power plant where they're going to be wasting half of what it makes anyway.
625 watts per hour average means I only need 2 banks of batteries that are about 1000ah rated each.
Solar is so cheap now - about $1.50 per watt for good panels.
So with 2 battery banks, a Solar Tracker III, 5 coiler SSG with the cap dump (to replace the Solar Tracker at night) and some solar panels, I'll be off the grid for my electricity at fairly low cost.
I do rely on gas for my radiant water heating system and hot water tank, but those will be replaced with electric heat pumps pre-heated by solar so my electric won't go up too much.
Anyway, for the average home in America at least, 5000 watts steady is complete overkill.
This SSG kit, the topic of this thread, is a learning tool that proves the point that has been discussed for years and that is why it is available. This SSG kit is not claimed to be a home power plant, nor is it intended to be one so any discussion about it not being able to fulfill that need is completely irrelevant to this thread. Hopefully, we can stay on topic. There are plenty of threads on some of these other topics and if there isn't one - its easy to start one.
I have 4.6 KW grid on my roof right now. it is a grid tie system. I only get 30 percent of my power from it on a yearly basis, the extra in the summer I sell to the power company at wholesale. in the winter I still buy most of my power from the grid.
starting a new thread on this subject.
Tom C -
#39 ·
That lead exists anyway and is constantly being recycled through the scrap yards. The difference is in these systems, the batteries stay good for way longer eliminating the need to constantly dump these kind of batteries every few years.bluestix wrote:
That's great for a few enthusiasts but still not feasible as an actual alternative to grid power.
2 x 1000amp hour battery banks X 100M+ homes is billions of pounds of lead.
Also... its very hard to get Solar Tracker III's because they are 'made by hand'. Six weeks minimum wait time for one unit. Still waiting on mine.
SSG bike wheel kits are great learning tools. All sold out already.
Five coiler SSG also no longer available because Rick spent all his money on a conference (which was awesome) and no one else sells them AFAIK.
So I think I will rewatch all the Stan Meyer lectures while I wait for my Solar Tracker to ship.
Yes, all the chargers are built to order so there is a bit of a wait.
There will be other kits later, but it will be a bit. Tom will make a multi coil frame available in the near future and you can use the same coil/circuit that comes with the Energizer kit right now. The coils/circuits aren't available by themselves at the moment, but that is something in the works. -
#40 ·
Any performance specs for this kit? -
#41 ·
performance specs for what kit?Wei wrote:
Any performance specs for this kit?
Tom C -
#42 ·
BEDINI SG BICYCLE WHEEL KIT
check the first post of the thread
There is only 'quality' descriptions. Any other info on how good is this kit to be worth the price?
Or is this thread about another kit? Am I confused or missing something? -
#43 ·
sorry Wei,Wei wrote:
BEDINI SG BICYCLE WHEEL KIT
check the first post of the thread
There is only 'quality' descriptions. Any other info on how good is this kit to be worth the price?
Or is this thread about another kit? Am I confused or missing something?
there was a post right above yours that mentioned our 6 coil prototype Kit. so I wanted to be clear. this kit will give you 1 to 1 charging plus the mechanical, it is a test platform for research built to Johns specs, by John so he knows it works as he states.
Tom C -
#44 ·
Geoffrey,geoffrey sr miller wrote:
Hi Tom C.
Does Rick F. have a licensing agreement with John B to be selling his NEW SSG double disc unit on his website.
IF it is John B patented technology?
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Thanks
Geoffrey
Rick in the past had a licensing agreement with John and Energenx. I do not know what the current state of their business arrangement is, its not my company.... . anyone can go off and build anything and sell it, and make all kinds of claims. I do not know what circuit Rick is using, it is most likely a derivitive of hJohn's monople circuits. I would not trust the claims of anything anyone makes as far as efficiency or performance goes until it has been verified independantly.
I can only tell you what is legal and ethical from our standpoint.
Tom C -
#45 ·
Hi Tom C. or John B. or peter L
If all electronics. are potted in the new SSG unit WILL the neon bulbs be in there too?
Or will neon bulbs be out in the open so you can see them?
Could you put up a pic. of the potted circuit of your new piastic SSG unit?
Are you and Chuck still going to work on the crystal cells, after you finish getting the SG plastic unit ready to sell at the end of Dec.?
Have you and Chuck done anything else with the self running oscillator / battery unit that you built?
Thanks, Geoffrey -
#46 ·
Hey Tom,
From the video posted awhile back showing the test results on the CBA III, it looked like the kit was doing a lot better than 1 to 1 charging. As in the primary curve had barely dipped, and the charging curve completed...leaving room for another battery...
Tom C wrote:
sorry Wei,
there was a post right above yours that mentioned our 6 coil prototype Kit. so I wanted to be clear. this kit will give you 1 to 1 charging plus the mechanical, it is a test platform for research built to Johns specs, by John so he knows it works as he states.
Tom C -
#47 ·
I doubt any of them want to catch bullets so they probably aren't going to say what the actual ratio is. The one in the Advanced builders DVD shows the same thing.Branch Gordon wrote:
Hey Tom,
From the video posted awhile back showing the test results on the CBA III, it looked like the kit was doing a lot better than 1 to 1 charging. As in the primary curve had barely dipped, and the charging curve completed...leaving room for another battery... -
#48 ·
bluestix,bluestix wrote:
I doubt any of them want to catch bullets so they probably aren't going to say what the actual ratio is. The one in the Advanced builders DVD shows the same thing.
No one is dodging any bullets here. That was a very short video of a small part of one of many test runs we did in John's shop at the time. It is very hard to look at a few minutes of video and draw any conclusions on what the charge/discharge ratio may be.
Our testing over repeated cycles showed that the charge battery charged at a similar rate as the primary battery discharged. If the mechanical energy generated by the rotating wheel was factored into the equations, the COP of the machine was greater than 1.
Can you post a reference to the advanced builders DVD where it shows the same thing? I'm not sure I've heard of it.
Thanks,
John K. -
#49 ·
Hi To ALL can anybody answer the ? below
If all electronics. are potted in the new SSG unit WILL the neon bulbs be in there too?
Or will neon bulbs be out in the open so you can see them?
Could you put up a pic. of the potted circuit of your new piastic SSG unit?
Are you and Chuck still going to work on the crystal cells, after you finish getting the SG plastic unit ready to sell at the end of Dec.?
Have you and Chuck done anything else with the self running oscillator / battery unit that you built?
Thanks have a great day.
Geoffrey -
#50 ·
The SG board that comes with the kit does not have neons in the circuit, so the answer is no. unless there are design changes I do not know about. there were no neons in the first prototypes we assembled.geoffrey sr miller wrote:
Hi To ALL can anybody answer the ? below
If all electronics. are potted in the new SSG unit WILL the neon bulbs be in there too?
Or will neon bulbs be out in the open so you can see them?
Could you put up a pic. of the potted circuit of your new piastic SSG unit?
Are you and Chuck still going to work on the crystal cells, after you finish getting the SG plastic unit ready to sell at the end of Dec.?
Have you and Chuck done anything else with the self running oscillator / battery unit that you built?
Thanks have a great day.
Geoffrey
Tom C