Meyers may have pulsed with 2 transistors
Started by unknown · · 82 posts · last reply 15 June 2009
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#51 · date not recorded
@ElectroQuoteBut if most of you blind believers did some real testing you would know this by now.
I'm not even gonna school you dude...keep on thinking you know what you're doin
I will say however, that comment is some ignorant shit!
It amazes me how people think their "replication" failure is somehow everyone's failure...too funny -
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We will see if there is something to Meyers and then I will move on to better things .
Stevie , you havent read anything , you cant understand the patents or the language of the subtilities of such a science , and you just dont know enough about electronics or physics enough , in fact , you have went from one panacea copy to another ( we know how those end) .
Your assumptions are based on your results , wich are lacking for the reasons above .
Who ever said breaking multi-trilion dollar techologies would be easy .
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#53 · date not recorded
@Electro
QuoteBut if most of you blind believers did some real testing you would know this by now.
I'm not even gonna school you dude...keep on thinking you know what you're doin
I will say however, that comment is some ignorant shit!
It amazes me how people think their "replication" failure is somehow everyone's failure...too funny
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Jolt ,
nevermind the comments of radiant_1 , he is young and emotional .
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#55 · date not recorded
Quote.I know how electricity REALLY works...and the "Poynting Flow" or voltage phenomena is the driving force, and that it's energy manipulates electrons and anti-electrons (Or whatever the counter flow is)....so I put the equation together and see it working in my mind....I offer MY OPINION!
@ radiant_1
i see it exactly the same way.. thanks for sharing the words "Poynting Flow" ... so tell me this radiant, would you say that we are copying natures natural driving force (eaths driving forces) ?... the primary is sending a signal that is driving a core and resembles the same flow of earths atmosphere's energy flow that makes it possible to read a compass? a compass acting like a wind vein in these forces of flow?
while the chokes energy flow resembles wind flow/ and TRADE winds? occuring in seperate chokes?? postive flowing toward the south while negtive electrons travel north at the same time on the POLARIZED core?
remember how hurricanes spins 180 out from each other dependant upon which side of the equator they are on... think on hurricanes learn there flows and what causes them to occur.. try to enlighten your self with what create's turbulance in TRADE.. turbulance flow in a circuit can cause destruction and heat.. timing even trades of opposite pressure will create balance.. what is it trading? pressure for vacuum or vacuum for pressure, its vice versa.. Bi directional flow of energy..
now relate this to the trade we are speaking of.. it will hopefully widen your perspective.. i know it sounds confusing but it holds many truths that explain the path of G.O.D and the path to overunity i think.. (i would say you can relate it like this question = vacuum/ positive volts and answer equals pressure/ - volts)
For every question there’s an answer, for every answer there’s a question there the same in relation but there are two differences involved to get action (GAIN) , distortion and clarity. When you are born, distortion of our reality is at its highest. Its simple times of life, the beginning... the mind is not full of mixed signals created from experience that happens in time... its blind. As we go through life we find clarity in many things and it gives us a sense of enlightenment and or a sense of troubles... distortions and clarity can create gain working in opposition to each other. The gain is wisdom and the truth. One step forward towards the question will in return, bring you one step closer to the truth. Hey it may be a bumpy road but its builds character. What shows the truth? Reflection. They make us walk in circles now days(alternating current), surrounded by nothing but distortion (turbulance). Some of us have intuition gods people (postive direction of flow)... some have ignorance (neutral) the devils infantry. There is so much truth in this .if you don’t understand it read it again and again (PRACTICE/ CYCLES). Since each time you read it, it shall bring you one step closer to clarity and one step away from distortion (GAINS), at the same relative time it will bring you one step closer to intuitive instincts and one step away from ignorance at the same time hey its duality vice versa (DUAL GAINS ) !! Life has too many variables and complexities to predict and prepare ahead of the time in most cases... so the only thing you can do is BE prepare for the ride 24/7... And in the present time of relativity it seems like it might get ruff. So hold on tight and don’t shit yourself.
i cant believe why you cant type g.o.d. on this site without it bleeping it out you used to be able to.. i guess some people got upset with me talking about g.o.d. on this site? one day you might understand why stan related this tech to g.o.d aka voltage (the main force that we know of driving our universe.... maybe one day people will stop fearing stuff that is said and getting offended and just take it for whats its worth to you. until then i guess fear and dis belief is the main drive for suppresion.. such as bleeping out g.o.d. lol
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@Dankie
Do not talk for me...do not excuse me...and do not attempt to minimize my words. I am only 24 but, have much life experience...I say what I mean and mean what I say.
@Jolt
I did not call you ignorant, I however, stand by my statement that what you said was ignorant because you have no idea (definition of ignorance)
I have no hard feelings, I just don't appreciate such patronizing assertions.
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I was going to let it pass, but due to your lack of respect, this is your second strike. -
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@Outlawstc
You hit it on the head....I agree with your analogies most completely. It's a pleasure to see others expanding their horizons. You have made the connection...you see how existence is a fractal....everything is smaller or larger versions of the same! Different yet the same....
I will PM you later with my take on the longitudinal primary (that's exactly what Meyer lays out....I don't think he ever realized that epoch of design)
We have to remember that Stan was evolving his system....he was trying to achieve perfection in amp restriction. By turning the primary 90 degrees the interaction of coils would be a complex spiral that is a product...or a tangent of the two coils EM fields.
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@Outlawstc
You hit it on the head....I agree with your analogies most completely. It's a pleasure to see others expanding their horizons. You have made the connection...you see how existence is a fractal....everything is smaller or larger versions of the same! Different yet the same....
I will PM you later with my take on the longitudinal primary (that's exactly what Meyer lays out....I don't think he ever realized that epoch of design)
We have to remember that Stan was evolving his system....he was trying to achieve perfection in amp restriction. By turning the primary 90 degrees the interaction of coils would be a complex spiral that is a product...or a tangent of the two coils EM fields.
I will talk with you more about it.
i am curious to hear more about the longitudinal primary, do you care to share a few more thoughts on it? -
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@Jolt
Serious? My second strike?
That's funny, you say,Quotedue to your lack of respect
But, what exactly would you call this?QuoteBut if most of you blind believers did some real testing you would know this by now.
I would say that's pretty disrespectful....I believe you took me wrong....I meant you have no idea of what I speak of, or where I come from.
What do u mean 2nd strike?...are u trying to intimidate me? Ur not an admin are u? -
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@ radiantQuoteYou hit it on the head....I agree with your analogies most completely. It's a pleasure to see others expanding their horizons. You have made the connection...you see how existence is a fractal....everything is smaller or larger versions of the same! Different yet the same....
I will PM you later with my take on the longitudinal primary (that's exactly what Meyer lays out....I don't think he ever realized that epoch of design)
We have to remember that Stan was evolving his system....he was trying to achieve perfection in amp restriction. By turning the primary 90 degrees the interaction of coils would be a complex spiral that is a product...or a tangent of the two coils EM fields.
as for winding the core i say you would take somthin like a playing card in demension.. somthing that can cuff around the delrin bobbin and chokes windings.. stans says it is wound logitudinal in space relationship... when i speak of practice you need to read key points more then once.. you dont get much on one pass of reading.. when i read this tech i will repeat a sentience several times in a row in my head.. i practice.. which in return has brought clarity.. the answers stare us in the face everyday.. well at least the ones who read..
anyways back to the point.. space relationship and logitudinal are the right question.. anyone who knows cordinates and maps know that longitude lines on a map are traveling north to south.. ok now which side of the vic is north and which is south? they are the flat sides of the bobbin.. the chokes and secondary are wound east to west.. so you do the math.. which is north and south.. so maybe take the playing card wind flat 2-d lines on it.. with will make them bidirectional layed.. like stan says as well... now every piece of the puzzle fits in place.. word for word.. cuff it around the core with wires running longitudinal..
yea i started catching on like 4 months ago.. its amazing how your views change when you understand. the basics..
so you also see how you can get way way way more heneries in one turn around the core? since you have to wind your way around the core and not wind your way down the core..
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thank you, that does explain a lot, very good description. i have never heard of this anywhere else before so it would be interesting to test, i don't know if it would work... but testing will determine.
if you were to take a single loop of wire and cover it in soap to make a bubble-film-layer, then the magnetic flux through the loop would go through one layer of bubble-film, meaning 1 turn, if you had two loops, the bubble-film would make 2 layers, for 2 turns, and if you had 100 loops, the magnetic flux would travel through 100 layers of bubble film for 100 turns... this is the concept of how the flux works and how 'turns' work, if you were to imagine a surface like bubble-film connecting all the loops, each layer through the coil increases the effect by so much.
so if you were to wrap a coil around a playing card, or piece of cardboard from a cereal box, and then wrap that around the primary bobbin cavity in the VIC, then all your bubble-layers would be in the center of the coil where the cardboard is, like a tall thin toroid, and your turns would count as the wraps around this cardboard, and yours flux path would be inside the coil... like a tall thin toroid... so how would this interact with the other coils?
all i can say is it is very interesting, and i hope a few of you try it, i'll try it when i get to that stage -
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its pumping the core to where the core is producing a "Poynting Flow".. this i think will cause the core to polarized giving it a north and south.. i have been preaching this for over 3 months.. sombody please try this concept.. i have a feeling its going to show great results... think how that signal will travel on a wind like the cuff... throw some views out of what you thinks going on in that case i would love to hear some perspectives
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@Outlaw
While the coils are wound east-west...the wire has a spinning corkscrew of magnetic field around it....when you spiral the wire around a core, these corkscrews of EM energy all add together in series in a gearwise fashion. These spins all accumulate to create a double sided vortex of B-flow....in one end of the coil...out the other. The core acts as a flux path...where all magnetic fields are sucked into it...instead of being evenly distributed. This intensifies the field in a smaller area creating a much more intense localized vortex.
Look here
By crossing coils at 90 degree phase, you will create a complex spiraling B-field....this may intensify the field even more, by creating a ball, or torus of B-field in the center of the core...EMF simulation would need to be run to see what would happen for sure.
But, listen very intently to this video, especially when they describe what they call a "Tesla Extra Coil" (Not really an extra coil)...they talk about the winding creating a complex spiral that speeds up the wave propagation beyond the speed of light.
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No offense Steve...but, I read nothing of any resonance, you said you needed a bigger tube because your circuit couldn't reach 300Khz. I see no successful replication at all. Maybe you have talked to others that have...but, I would like to see proof.
Here's the difference Steve, I try and decipher a rather mysterious patent...I use my reading comprehension coupled with my knowledge of physics and electrical effects to hypothesize how it's operating. We know voltage potential is suppose to do work...we know that there is suppose to be IONIZED GAS....we know that AMPS ARE INHIBITED...I know how electricity REALLY works...and the "Poynting Flow" or voltage phenomena is the driving force, and that it's energy manipulates electrons and anti-electrons (Or whatever the counter flow is)....so I put the equation together and see it working in my mind....I offer MY OPINION!
You on the other hand are trying to tell us all "As a matter of fact" that it's a myth and that Naudin failed and it was just amps leaking...you sayQuoteOf course we seen hv and capacitance and resonance
, yet when you show your replication you have no such thing. So, I ask you...why do you speak from authority, saying "it's a myth...it's amp leakage making bubbles"?...when clearly you are skipping the whole basis of my interpretation!
If you make a perfect capacitor (even a good yet slightly leaky one)...just charging it will only create minimal gas...once charged YOU MUST RE-ROUTE THE CHARGE...disconnected from load so you don't create an energy sink that would draw more amps on the primary wire (this is the gating time of Meyer's system)...the charge is on the plates...AND ACROSS THE WATER/DIELECTRIC...you should read up on HOW to make ionized gas if you think my mode of operation is a "The Myth of Meyer"
Radiant,
I promised you to show my NAudin tests. Later on, i tried other ideas.
What you suggest, is to use an EEC circuit to discharge the charge of the cap. Is that the trick accoording to your knowledge?
Please show us some of yr Naudin testsetup.
Steve
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QuoteWhat you suggest, is to use an EEC circuit to discharge the charge of the cap. Is that the trick accoording to your knowledge?
Please show us some of yr Naudin testsetup.
sorry i know this was addressed to radiant but i would like to put my 2 cents in..
i dont see the capacitor taking on the charge you are thinking of.. the charge you speak of, "discharge" that would require current flow to happen...
it is a simple physical process meaning the skin effect fields and potential in the plates are drumming on the water... no charge is going in or out the water through the plates... the charge build up in the cell is done by using the physical force to up the orbital spin of the electrons.. the drumming creates the scalor waves i beleive.. stan says the cell pumps itself.. well if there is any movement of water with NO moving parts i would say that is like antigravity of a fluid..
there are so many uses for this tech alot havent even came across yet.. like for instance this tech can be used to propulse underwater.. it can also be used to make a vehicle such as a figher jet be able to go from submarine (underwater) to flight..
if i can suggest anything to study in full other then water tech.. i would look into the electron particle generator...
stan said he would use the E.P.G. (electron particle gen) and the water fuel tech.. to power homes... he said it would be no bigger then a 4 foot tall hot water heater in design.. really listen to these next word because they are gold..
stan learned how to make a magnetic gas that would exist at room temp... gases of such do not exist at the moment in acedemia.. but i have noticed some speak of acknolegement such as i think radiant when we were talking about back emf and the bright spark when disonecting power source.. someone mentioned how the copper ions and what nots could bond which ambient air gases..
ok this magnetic gas is made from argon and metal.. stan built a sealed container that had electrodes in it with argon being fed into it.. using the vic to produce these magnetic gases.. so understand this vic and voltage is able to restructure atomicaly and makes the perodic table obsolete in alot of ways when it comes to what can bond to what.
the secret to this is that when you put a magnetic gas in a closed loop tube.. that is being mirrored on the inside.. you can pump the gas with a primary wound on a ferrite that couples the glass tube.. (i think its glass, it hasnt been clears said what the material is.. but it is non conductive.. you can then wind secondarys right to the glass tube (no ferrite) this can produce power more effecient then todays conventional..
the ultimate secret.. is that stan figured out he could send light into the mirrored close looped core that has magnetic gas in it.. listen real carefully to the major point being made here.. when stan sends frequencyed coherent light into the tube, it doesnt create current!!!! (pumping gases through the tube.. the light alone makes the volt fields jump in the magnetic gases.).
in conclusion.. stan would use the vic to power a hydrogen laser to power the closed loop core..
all this i just posted is a gift from me to you.. just as g.o.d. would want it to see a gain as a whole. (no greed)
stan would have done the same except he knew in those days you couldnt just throw it out there.. since greed would take it away in a heart beat.. he has helped out in many ways and has stood up for the whole like no other.. well i cant say that.. tesla tried as well, so did victor schauberger.
viktor schauberger made a antigravity craft.. he made living water somthing we dont drink much these days since the water has turned bitter.. living water is charged water.. it could help heal in many ways.. i would say it is the REAL holy water.. he was screwed over and over again. then some americans went to him and offered him unlimited funds to develop stuff for the good.. for the people.. well guess where he was brought in the u.s. TEXAS out in the middle of no where.. he was tricked into signing away all his work.. when he returned to i think austria he said they have taken EVERYTHING from me they even own me.. he died like 3 days later.
ask your self who the ballers were in texas that did this to him? there were no names said but i could make a few guesses. -
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P.S. i would say the raising and lowering amplitude.. is causing manefistation in the cell... electons move toward the pos and protons move toward neg.. the discharge you are thinking of is not a discharge really your just pausing the pulse to let the water stableize then hitting it again upping its potential even further... your alowing it to fully take on one wave set, before hitting with another.. -
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Stanley Meyer are just smiling in videos and pictures knowing that this time no one can take the idea from him..
Nobody took his ideas from him, for they couldn't understand what he did, but sadly his life was somehow taken from him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUaEnxLEdfI&feature=channel_page
He used volt for splitting water... Potential energy.... But we cant restrict the amps and at the same time have energy to use?... or can we? for example if i am welding some steel parts together and connect the ground cable for my MIG welding apparatus to a wooden table with the parts i am welding on... no ground...but that dosent mean i can weld for free for ever does it?... NO i cant... no amp! and no HEAT... Hello i said NO AMP = NO HEAT
Stanleys WFC was COLD and he claimes close to NO AMP.... HE DID NOT USE AMPS (or current)
What did he do?.. WHAT DID HE DO?.. hmm the opposite of electrolysis......
Maybe the answer will come if we wish on a star : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGeIc7EzJNo
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you ever wounder why stan says you need more heneries then capacitance?.. answer anyone? -
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you ever wounder why stan says you need more heneries then capacitance?.. answer anyone?
Dude , go put ur ideas to work .
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you ever wounder why stan says you need more heneries then capacitance?.. answer anyone?
Sure, basics.
The higher the inductance and the lower the capacitance, the narrower the bandwidth.
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QuoteDude , go put ur ideas to work
dude. . you need to stop trying to regulate peoples thought and when they should be posting and not posting..Quote
Sure, basics.
The higher the inductance and the lower the capacitance, the narrower the bandwidth.
Steve
what if i said i saw it another way... i see the more winds over the capacitance means the charge will be more magnetically attracted to the core for capacitance rather then the water to exchange and balance out...
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you ever wounder why Stan says you need more heneries then capacitance?.. answer anyone?
Henry's is the unit symbol of inductance, You have one henry when you use one amp per sec. and get one volt.
Capacitance is the ability for a capacitor to hold a electrical charge .. for example in the WFC..
So i guess Stan meant you need more volt in the inductors than electrical charge in the tube cell.. for charging the tube cell is a dead short condition, and you can`t bring voltage up in a dead short condition he said..
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