Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Started by unknown · · 80 posts · last reply 28 October 2010
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#51 ·
The car from the FutureEnergyConcepts video was run on 100% water no petrol.
Proto 6 went through several stages of developements.
The videos are not stretching the truth.
The last video is much more impressive.
Freddy has done all the math for the proto6 that he has open sourced it.
Had a visit with him last week and he is a blessed fellow and family.
The petrol is cut off with a valve, and can be used to enhance the system when it needs it like on a hill climb.
In the video he also states and shows loss of system pressure in the injection manifold when climbing a small hill.
I did not get a personal look at the truck but understand there were problems with certain people.
Also take note that the truck in the video's was a 4.3liter I think and it did very well with the cell unit.
So maybe using imagination if the motor was smaller than 4.3 it could sustain a larger climb and pressure could be maintained on the manifold better.
Or addition of another tube-set pair or 2 might work to maintain pressure when horsepower is called for.
The basic concept is there and it works well.
Better than anybody ever offered up to the public.
The only thing I suggest is to make a pair of tubes exactly as he stated.
Adam is making the tubes and tested one in Freddy's last video, go and check this out its very impressive.
Freddy did all the tuning math for us: tubes, 14.7hz PWM. Based on 1/2wave RF tuning I believe and fundamental frequency's of the tubes become acousto-mechanical with PWM at 14.7 the math was also figured for frequency wavelength in water and as much variables as possible with the water and gas between the gap.
There were so many variables this genious genuine man figured for us.
Personally speaking he is giving us a gift. We have been blessed.
He has been doing this for 30years, and has been involved with people we believe in. So anyone spewing negative crap is just that, a bunch of BS.
Don't forget all the people and companies that want to suppress this technology. Thats always a problem.
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#52 ·
Hi Komtek,
I calculated the amount of gas produced in his truck video and that was not more then 2 ltr a minute. You just cannot run such a big engine on that.
The last video of the adam tube looks great!
I would suggest that we try to replicate that it.
Should not be so difficult.
About the man, well, i havent met him so i only judge him on his video behaviour.
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#53 · date not recorded
Yes its hard to believe that a small amount of gas can go so far.
I originally thought maybe he had just a liter per min.
But this is no ordinary hydroxy or BG.
I'm not absolutely sure but think he said 2H2O2i that came up in a conversation somewhere. But he is also working on Proto7, its completely different.
Anyways the strength in his HHO alignment has substancially more impact than the norm.
They call it ionized.
He pointed out just the rise of the tube over its pair creates an ionization. (1 tube taller than the other). A very good point.
Because of the ionization of the gases, they become heavy so this may easily relate to more density.
Put this gas in a balloon and if the balloon does not float and falls to the earth then this ionized gas can be compressed substancially beyond 60psi.
If the balloon floats its not the right gas and you cannot compress it too far before it implodes/explodes, its been suggested be carefull at 15psi.
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#54 · date not recorded
Yes its hard to believe that a small amount of gas can go so far.
I originally thought maybe he had just a liter per min.
But this is no ordinary hydroxy or BG.
I'm not absolutely sure but think he said 2H2O2i that came up in a conversation somewhere. But he is also working on Proto7, its completely different.
Anyways the strength in his HHO alignment has substancially more impact than the norm.
They call it ionized.
He pointed out just the rise of the tube over its pair creates an ionization. (1 tube taller than the other). A very good point.
Because of the ionization of the gases, they become heavy so this may easily relate to more density.
Put this gas in a balloon and if the balloon does not float and falls to the earth then this ionized gas can be compressed substancially beyond 60psi.
If the balloon floats its not the right gas and you cannot compress it too far before it implodes/explodes, its been suggested be carefull at 15psi.
Komtek,
Ionization happens only when HV is involved or when photons hit a molecule/atom. Never heard of ionization in any otherway. Even Stan Meyer used a HV device.
The thing is that FFreddy is using lots of terms and i am sure he doesnt know the real meaning of them.
The matter of making more space between 2 electrodes doesnt mean anything except that you get less gas at those points.
I have had many tubes rising higher over others.... Never seen a miracle.
Btw, are you Adam on the other forum?
I watched his video with the 1 tube over and over. The only thing he is changing after he reaches the 3 amps is decreasing duty of his 14.7hz cycle. He keeps on hitting the tube with a very small pulse at the end.
For sure i will buy me 2 seamless tubes and tune them into the same frequency and see what happens after hitting that 3 amp border.
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UYes i see very strange terms too..
however i think that he believe that the gas will come out ionized is somewhat related to the fact that inside a conductor electric field must be zero...
he states that his gas can be compressed up to high psi without exploding, hope he show it...
some interesting facts about water
http://www.chem1.com/acad/sci/aboutwater.html
this make me think that maybe some non salt base or acid surfactant like edta could help us to weak the bound...
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#56 ·
I tried to tell you guys before that this is the real deal but I was butchered. I have been studying this HHO approach ever since which is why I had to temporarily abandon my own project here. It’s the bird in the hand reasoning/logic.
I am lacking certain details to complete my prototype “6” series replication which is why I can not offer or announce a successful replication at this time.
“...and the truth shall set you free.”
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#57 ·
I tried to tell you guys before that this is the real deal but I was butchered. I have been studying this HHO approach ever since which is why I had to temporarily abandon my own project here. It’s the bird in the hand reasoning/logic.
I am lacking certain details to complete my prototype “6” series replication which is why I can not offer or announce a successful replication at this time.
“...and the truth shall set you free.”
What kind of details are you missing, Mina?
Lets see if we can replicate this FF setup.
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"Wow, took a long time to make a reply and post and it came up blank. Try it again."
Here are links to the various Freddy sites and pages:
http://www.youtube.com/user/FutureEnergyConcepts#p/u/5/iaAAdeqSMFE
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hydrogen_Hog_by_Future_Energy_Concepts%2C_Inc.
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WaterFuel/FreedomReclamationProject/
http://groups.yahoo.com/adultconf?dest=%2Fgroup%2FFreddys_Cell%2F
http://www.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/
http://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/
There all linked together some way but this is a great start.
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#59 · date not recorded
Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall.
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Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall.
Carriage bolt for center of 3/4" tube has domed top.
Hi Komtek,
Thank you for posting all this info.
You wrote that the inner and outer tube are 180 degree out of phase.
What does that mean? I thought FF tuned both tubes to the same frequency.
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For the possible replicators in europe, here are the dimensions in metric mm.
Outertube:
Length : 152,4 mm (6 inches)
Outer diameter : 25,4 mm (1 inche)
Wall thickness : 0,9 mm ( .035 inche)
Innertube : 177,8 mm (7 inches)
Outer diameter : 19,1 mm (3/4 inche)
Wall thickness : 1,7 mm (.065 inche)
technical grade: ASTM A213 or ASME SA-213 (316 seamless?)
The top of the tubes are cut in an angle.
The bottum plug or bolt in the innertube must have a bolt surface, pointing into the innertube.
Ok, then you have to put a welder on the tubes to set the internal magnetic fields of both tubes in the same direction.
Tuning is done with help of an musik instrument tuner or a PC.
Hang the tube up and hit it with a stick of wood.
The outertube is 1 octave lower........
? I could not hear good what FF said on this.
He tested the innertube and got a 193.5hz. So ill gues he needs a 96.7hz for the outertube.
The innertube dictates the frequency of this all. You tune at the end the pwm on the frequency of the innertube.
The innertube = negative
The outertube = positive
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#62 · date not recorded
Yes the tubes have the same frequencys in them but are not the same frequency. (thats what my ear hears, but I only did the 2 center tubes).
Thats a very interesting part of this.
The tubes are really 2 different frequencys that are relative in harmonic fundamentals. (I have not done these outer tubes yet).
You will see when you have these tubes and ping them.
It will be more enlightening to have a frequency or tone software program, that you can record and playback and get real time frequency/tone measurements.
NCH tone generator has a 14 day free trial and also does not cost much to license.
There are also small programs for digital cell phones that only cost a few dollars.
I believe I was also told that this is tuned to a 1/2wave.
Only thing that comes to mind is like a 1/2 wave RF.
Don't know much about this 1/2 wave sorry.
It does go to show that a major job was done on this tuning, more than meets the eye.
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#63 · date not recorded
Hi Komtek and Mina,
I added more info in my older post here above..
Lets make it complete!
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Steve the 1 octive lower is only the center pair of tubes.
The completed Proto 6 system is 9 pair of tubes around a center pair of tubes.
9 pair of tubes are 3/4" and 1" as we already talked about.
Center pair of tubes is a: 6"x2"x.065"wall and a 7"x1.75"x.065wall. These tubes have a small 1mm gap while the others have a 2mm gap I believe.
These center tubes are the 1 octive lower you mentioned.
The whole system is 10 pair of tubes, 9 around the 1.
Its built into a container and here the GE GXWH40L container is available at HomeDepot that Freddy used.
Before we go into the proto 6 build we should test the single pair for operation as Freddy has shown.
Then there is a PWM and as Freddy uses the MX068 available from ebay.
The PWM needs modifications to 14.7hz. Its not a hassle to do this. I think were talking about a cap and resistors and can be done with resistance change only if you want.
Any PWM with the ability to get to 14.7hz can work.
The good thing about the MX068 is it comes as a 55amp PWM. Has a frequency control and a Duty control.
Freddy also modified the mosfets, number 1 check for thermal paste on the mosfets. The PWM should be capable of in excess of 100amps at start to help the system pressure rise quickly. After that its adjusted to 55amp. I believe there is a on/off relay connected to a pressure sensor set at 60psi. Very simplistic system.
I know he uses a lot of current but this does not matter for what the system is capable of.
The system also has a second battery and a battery isolator. Alternator capable of working (charging) the automobile battery as well as the isolated battery, suggested is 200 amp alternator. Some valves. Valve to shut off petrol. Pressure relief set to 75psi. Air cleaner dryer. Connection to injector manifold. Water tank. Water level sensor and pump. A relay. Some #12 wire for shorted coils to help take the edge off the square wave. etc..
Before we go into the whole thing, lets test the single pair and tune it.
The single pair of tubes also gets small plastic set-screws threaded through the outer tube to space the inner tube and gap.
It appears the length of the inner tube may be adjusted slightly lower at the bottom than the outer tube sort of like a wave guide, before this is epoxied into a vessel container.
The preliminary testing and details have to be worked out.
It would be nice to see a reaction just like in the video.
Once that is done and working then personally I would complete the full build.
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#65 ·
Besides setting the magnetic fields, the tubes need to be annealed to soften them. This is supposed to enhance their performance. -
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Yes you would think that annealing may be a plus.
I was told that it was not neccessary.
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#67 ·
Yes you would think that annealing may be a plus.
I think Freddy himself says it’s necessary in the following video at 7:50:
I was told that it was not neccessary.
It is an added expense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6U0xXMwBk&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=fn6MAv4zYmk -
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Question:
Did anybody seen anything about making the surface shine like a mirror on these FF tubes?
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Mina I was just relating to you what was told to me by Freddy.
Annealing will soften the metal if done correctly and it appears if its done can enhance the performance of vibration as Freddy has stated in the video for Proto 7.
Also there is personal creativity that can be applied to enhance the operation of the cell you will make as long as the fundamental principles of the system as it works are enhanced and not degraded. (certain other methods of building were also brought to my attention IE:epoxy laced with ferrous oxide method).
So the question is still the same, has a simple single pair test be done to confirm the enhanced ionized gas and production. Before anyone were to spend and possibly waste hard earned dollars on certain processes. (anyone else other than Freddy in a video?)
Also a quality seamless tube when made seems to undergo an annealing process and this may have to do with the manufacturer that made the tubing.
Meaning I'm pretty sure all manufactures may have slightly different processes although the methods are pretty much the same.
Freddy told me he purchased his tubes from onlinemetals. http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=902&step=2&top_cat=1
If you buy your seamless from online metals take a note of the technical grade: ASTM A213 or ASME SA-213
Further probing into this specification tells you: All material is to be furnished in heat treated condition.
This tubing has basically undergone some annealing to attach this specification quality to it.
It will be best when you purchase your tubing to understand what it is you are buying, so pay attention.
Annealing may be a waste of dollars if the metal has already undergone an annealing process.
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#70 · date not recorded
Steve that is a good point: "Did anybody seen anything about making the surface shine like a mirror on these FF tubes?"
Freddy mentioned to me a basic building block of construction is creativity/imagination and an intenseness of detail.
No where is it mentioned in Freddy's video's about polishing a tube.
Also I did not see any polished tubes in Freddy's shop.
I know Freddy was all about keep it simple stupid method as Stan Meyer.
Speaking with Freddy he states many of these processes are uneccessary, but also these many processes enhance the performance just a little.
So it seems that how much work are we/you willing to do?
If the inside of the center tube is polished you would think that it aids to vibration of acousto-deflection/reflection, by not being absorbed by a rough surface, but what if you want it to be absorbed to aid in vibrations?. I think more information is neccessary.
If the inside of the tube pair gap is polished its another question.
We know that a sanded surface exposes more surface area and in turn more area makes more gas as in a standard electrolizer.
But an acoustic vibration may most likely deflect better off a polished surface (don't know), still more information is needed.
Now it becomes self experimentation on various theory's.
Does anybody have any PDF study's on acousto-mechanical deflection/vibration? It may be helpfull of more understanding.
Signal vibration propogation.
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I was just informed that the rod holding the cell in the video of Freddy's test was also connected to a steel chair and was explained as funneling energy from the outside environment into the cell.
Also that another chemical was being used as a catalyst.
These informations and descriptions will become available in an upcoming PDF file from Freddy.
Either way I look at it it is apparent that there is some interesting reactions happening with Freddy's cell.
It appears that the full information disclosure will be available when the PDF is published.
This PDF will have a cost of $100 when its available.
I don't think it wise to perform a full replication build just yet.
Although testing of a single tube cell sounds interesting to see what result may be acheived.
What other catalyst in the bucket can produce his result?
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I was just informed that the rod holding the cell in the video of Freddy's test was also connected to a steel chair and was explained as funneling energy from the outside environment into the cell.
@Komtek:
Also that another chemical was being used as a catalyst.
These informations and descriptions will become available in an upcoming PDF file from Freddy.
Either way I look at it it is apparent that there is some interesting reactions happening with Freddy's cell.
It appears that the full information disclosure will be available when the PDF is published.
This PDF will have a cost of $100 when its available.
I don't think it wise to perform a full replication build just yet.
Although testing of a single tube cell sounds interesting to see what result may be acheived.
What other catalyst in the bucket can produce his result?
Thanks for the additional information. What I was wondering now is when Freddy is going allow the secret/private replicators to publish their independent results and have their measurements/results verified?
I have a great deal of respect for Freddy and his accomplices. They are about to change the world in a major way and sometimes it's hard to imagine freedom from the parasitic (not to mention unscrupulous, greedy and manipulating monopolizers) energy vendors at long last becoming a reality. -
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Mina, do you have results?
I may be able to help get results published/verified.
1) Can speak to Freddy.
2) Have spoken to Sterling Allan (PesNetwork, PesWiki).
Also would like to hear of your build details if you want to share.
You could email me at: komtek@cableone.net if you would like to exchange some input and ideas.
We can Skype too!
John
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#74 · date not recorded
I think that Freddy used the negative and positive of his battery and his pwm to charge up the water and make it conducting. As soon as it conducts, the charge between the chair and his battery took over...
Dont you think that too?
Its like an electric discharge when you put yr hand on a metal door.....
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Steve, It was a small amout of time he turned on the PWM to 3amp.
If that succeeded to charge the chair negative and to run the cell for the rest of the video, does not compute very well in my thinking, but anything is possible it seems nowadays.
The cell stayed very vigorous when the current was removed, just as it had a 3amp or higher current still going to it.
I was told the chair was acting like a antenna so to speak, absorbing and using the energy from the environment. (that would be nice).
Also if it could have been used as a antenna, then how about trying this with a real antenna?
I can see it would be nice to make a test of the single pair of tuned tubes.
Does not appear very costly.
Mina I may have misunderstood you, I was told pretty soon a replication will be completed and shortly after that a PDF will be published.
We can only sit and wait for that to happen.
Wish they could spend more time on it but I'm assuming everyone has a real job and builds as spare time becomes available.
I mentioned and someone else did also, for Freddy to make a video showing the chair and all connections to the cell. It sort of leaves you skeptical when you don't get to see the whole picture.