TGS

The New Zealand video is a gem it you know what to look for and ask the right questions. Meyer says everything I have been saying but I think he didn't know that it was something new to add to the books of science by I know for a fact he understood the science just as I do and perhaps a bit more.



In the video he talks about so much it's hard to know which part to talk about. He tells just how the water molecules are being broken apart into it's component atoms. He tells that he is using an AC waveform and talks about using magnetism to restrict the flow of amps and not a restive element. He talks about making the technology safe for use with his quenching circuits and how it works to slow the burn rate of hydrogen. He even talks about branch off technologies.

I watched this video very intently and asked many questions most of which I now have answers for. From this video and Arthur C. Clark's eye witness video I was able to put it all together. It took just one photo from Don Gable to get me to start asking the right questions that was given to me by a friend at a time when the photo's were top secret and I solved in just a few minutes what they couldn't solve in over three years. For me understanding the science behind this technology is all important as with that I can branch off into other technologies as the only thing that limits this technology is the inventors ability to find a use for it.

This is the one video where Meyer laid it all out for everyone but you have to ask the right questions to be able to see what a gift this video truly is. You need to understand science, be a good problem solver, know the usefulness of making use of the scientific and engineering methods, and be able to observe things like a pro. You will need the right tools for the job at hand and an ability to teach oneself new things, and above all you must believe Meyer is telling the truth.

Blessings everyone,
TGS

I watched that video when it first came out. Very well built cells and Gunther's circuit is well engineered.

I'm not trying to hate just trying to point some things out. There might be a logical reason why people keep pushing you away and kicking you out of forums. If you want to be successful with Meyer's tech you can't just go around claiming sole ownership of it.
You get on these biblical high horses as if the great almighty granted you and only you the wisdom to unlock Meyer's secrets-Common man!

And yes I know 3 people who have successful replications that they can all repeat at any time. If they wanted their names to be known in the 'Meyer circle' they would be. Point is they simply have better things to do. But there is a fourth guy I do not know personally but just showed a working replication in front of 30 witnesses. You know him, Max Miller, I bet all that equipment he has you gave him, you made his cell, boards and tuned it for him right?

All I gotta say is if you think you can lead the pack with Meyer tech your wrong, no one can. If this tech ever got into the mainstream do you really think you can compete with corporations that can put millions of dollars into R&D? Corporations with real engineers and real scientists...

Oh wait you can because you have the great almighty on your side, HA~!

Interesting point of view you have taken. Max and I use to work together. Did you know that I purchased his tickets to go to the 2013 Global BEM and other offered him free travel and room & board? While we were at the event Max went and stabbed us all in the back. Just before he had his event this past weekend we had a few words and in these talks I discovered that he doesn't understand how this technology actually works. At his event you will notice that he wouldn't do any timed temperature test or provide anyone with some MMW numbers so that his work could be evaluated properly by those that viewed it. Max and I broke it off once I saw that he was no longer listening to his experiments and forcing what he believed to be taking place on his experiments instead. Small world, huh? I am one of the few people that can actually tell he doesn't have the technology working correct. But like Russ, Max has learned how to put on a great show and the people that go to these shows don't ask him the hard questions. So, that's one crossed off of your list of people that claim to have this technology working correctly.

As for being chosen by the most high for this? All I know is I asked to be allowed to understand how this technology works and started to get a lot of strange dreams that lead me to understand how this technology actually works. Each time I would try and teach others what I had learned from these dreams I'd be shot down and rejected by practically all I would try and teach. So, it does make me wonder that my failure to be able to teach others is a sign that it just isn't meant for them to understand this technology. I don't know how all of this is going to play out but I do know that I have given up on trying to teach this technology and have moved on towards actually bringing it out instead as the numbers say I have been preaching to the wrong crowd as there is a whole world that needs this technology and someone is going to have to build it for them. When I posed the hard question to Open Source about how are those who can't build this technology for themselves supposed to be able to get this technology? The answer I was given let me know I was dealing with the wrong crowd as I was told "It sucks to be them." After this heart breaking reply to my question I started to break away from Open Source as they didn't stand for the same things I stood for. I only came back to this site due to a promise I made a long time ago. I fulfilled that promise, left the information up for a few months and then took it down due to the over whelming negativity I got from the members here. But I did live up to my promise. Now it's time for me to move on again as I wash my hands of these Open Source forums that have shown me nothing but greed, suffering, and ridicule.

As for the cell in the video it had to be replaced as it had flaws and errors in it's design and even it's replacement had to again be replaced for the very same reasons as I had to learn how to build the thing correctly by way of trial and error. Here are the other designs that lead up to the one I am using now.

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And this is my current design with all the bugs worked out of it and some improvements made to the original Meyer design that solved the problems I saw he was having with the unit.

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Again all of this was done by way of trial and error until I got it right enough to stop having the problems I was seeing. The one in the video actually would take 12kv or more to get it to work correctly. The other one didn't have enough resistance in the form of water between the plates, and this new on has been designed to take all of these problems and more out of the device.

On this site I did as promised. I posted the solution but it was openly rejected and once I saw it's rejection was total and/or complete I removed it. I now yield to the Blind Leaders as I choose to no longer fight them. I have a mission in front of me that I will be following to the best of my abilities to do so. Like those you talked about but never mentioned I too am not looking for fame or glory but truly looking to help the poor. Unlike them I gave hope to the idea that this technology would be accepted by the Open Source community but I stand here now knowing that I was wrong about that as the propaganda is just too strong and I simply wasn't able to break through it. I will do as my heart tells me but know that it too can not be fully trusted as after all it is only human. I will do my best to obey the most high YAH and follow his commandments to the best of my abilities to do so as that is what is required of man and especially from his people as I am of the seed of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob and we made a covenant with the most high and are still bound by it. So, I bid you all farewell as I take on this next chapter of my life in service to the most high YAH the creator of all things.

Bye for now,
TGS

why didn't even know you were black.
That's not even relevant here.
Is there anyone throwing racial slurrs at you? I've never seen such.

Your ridiculous dude, and you create your own enemies because for some reason that's what you want because it confirms your belief that the whole world is against you, so you must be right about Stan. In your mind it's not you that's the problem, it's everyone else. I've known too many of your types to continue this.



Back to the topic of EV's...

The electric motor will eventually take over because they are more efficient than any internal combustion engine.
All that heat that escapes through the tailpipe, all that heat that is removed via the cooling system, that's all lost energy.
Think about the frictional losses through the cylinders, crank shaft, and transmission and all the other moving parts and compare them to an electric motor which only has one moving part.

You never took the time to actually watch the video this thread was made about? So, you just came in here to say what exactly? Couldn't be talking about the video as in your own words you never saw it. Well, in a not so round about way that is what you just said here, correct?

Give me a name of one of these people that says they are getting great results with this technology so that I may have the opportunity to compare notes with them. If not then what was the true purpose for your commenting at all on this thread of which you obviously know nothing about? TGS stands for True Green Solutions the company that is mentioned in the video.

I'd like to say thanks to Sebosfato for his account of what happened to me on this forum as it comes at a time when it truly is needed. Yes, I was attacked on this forum and got punished for being attacked instead of the guilty party(s) being punished like it should have been done. Then they want me to leave the bible out of it when Meyer himself ties it with this technology. They want me to keep talking about this technology so that they can have it without ever having to put in a dimes worth of R&D. Sebosfato I think I have been preaching to the wrong crowd as they don't like the hands on approach I have been taking and sharing and also requiring them to do. So, I will take this technology to those that actually want this technology. A place where it will be cherished and cared for and most of all wanted for the right reasons. In looking at the big picture the total members of this forum verses the world's population this forum means nothing and thus I can and will do better to find a crowd that does want this technology for the right reasons.

All this talk about EV's is also pointless as you have no idea what this technology is capable of nor do you understand what will be required to push the internal combustion engines off the road and replace them with something new. If a company can manage to produce and sell one million EV's a year how much time would it take them to replace over 3.2 billion cars with internal combustion engines in them? You see I have run similar numbers to these questions before and the numbers are for long term planning as it isn't going to be something that can be done in just a few years time. Plus you are asking for this to be done at a time when the US and other countries around the world are on the verge of bankruptcy facing a great depression that's going to make the depression of the 1930's look like a walk in the park. The  people have no money as the system that has been set up to rob them of all of their wealth has done exactly that and is nearing the end of it's long term mission.

As for me I will be moving on to someplace where justice has meaning. A place where TGS can start actually putting this technology out to this world and it be accepted by the people there. Always remember this, "this technology is only limited to the inventors abilities to find a use for it." But in order to make use of it you must first get at the core science that drives it as without this understanding you really can't make much use of this technology. Here I have repeatedly heard people say they simply will not give TGS any type of support no matter what happens so with that being said I say best of luck to you all with your efforts towards solving this technology. Perhaps one of these other people that Adriank talks about will pay this site an visit and share what he/she knows and be a person of your likeness so that they will be acceptable to you as your rejection of me is dully noted. That question I ask and had never answered will always be with me as I simply don't understand your rejection of the approach I took towards solving this technology as it was completely hands on making use of the scientific method as a tool to make sure the job was done right.

See ya around maybe, good luck.
TGS

Interesting replies, but the primary question I asked was never answered.

Why on earth you, or anyone else, would resist this type of hands on approach is beyond me?

Do these look like claims to you?
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These are not mere claims as I have built these things and performed test in the real world and not just in my head. These people you speak of I don't know them and furthermore they are not in forums like these or did I miss something? As for this technology being over unity no, it's just that the science is new, but the energies can be added up using Albert Einstein's E=MC2. Massive is right in the we all should be working together but that is not what takes place in forums like these.

What is clear to me is that in this forum Black Lives "Don't" Matter for actions speak louder than words ever could. I was wronged in this forum as the actions taken against me are not just claims as they actually did happen. But I guess the question Adriank ask is basically why do I sit at the seat of judgement concerning this technology, am I correct in this line of thinking? The answer to this questions is easy, I did the work to get to where I am at concerning my understanding of the science of how this technology actually works. It wasn't solved in a day but took many years of hard work, time and money spent, while learning from each and every failure. These people that you speak of I simply don't know them so why don't you introduce me to them or show me their work here in this forum right now?! I am basing what I say on what I can see of the work of others and I tell you I don't know these people you are talking about and have never heard of or seen any of their work in this technology. Do I know these people and have failed to give them credit? I require hard proof of what you are telling me so that I may know of these others that you are claiming of right now. Until that happens my claim stands true as I don't know what I don't know as again I don't know of anyone else getting the results I am getting right now.

As for how history will judge me, who knows? More than likely they will treat me as they have always treated my people by pretending we don't exist. I notice these things when I look back on the history of my people and see the things they have done but never given credit for doing so. But, like most I can do nothing for how others chose to write about me or leave me totally out of their writings in the future. All I can do is keep driving on towards wherever this technology leads me and/or needs me. I can't changed the hearts of men who's forefathers have brought them up thinking it is right to treat my people the way they have been treating them from one generation to the next for hundreds of years now. All I can do is make sure I live according to my beliefs as I have no control over the hearts of others.

Take care everyone,
TGS

In this forum it is clear that what I have to say, even though it is experiment based, is unwanted here. The last time I was posting I was attacked just for being black and not only did the person(s) who did it not get punished by I was banned for being attacked. If that seems backwards it's because it is. The reason for these attacks is quite clear, in the experiments I have shown no one is able to duplicate the results I am getting so it would seem that jealousy made it's way into the hearts of the masses here. Putting that aside for the moment what I have shown everyone is my actual experimental data and pictures to go along with it. Yes, I have reached 9.3-4kv being applied to the plates of the exciter array but this falls short of the needed 10-20kv as stated by Meyer in his patents for the working voltages of the exciter array. I ran into problems that all of you are going to run into once you reach these voltage levels. Unfortunately this is where most of you will be left behind as the solution to the problem is a costly one and most if not all of you simply can't afford the solution.

So, where does this leave us? Well, to be honest it leaves all of you never to be able to follow what I have shown as it's simply outside of your abilities to afford now meaning your out of the game. With this technology the scientific method is a must as there are simply too many unknowns that must be figured out as trying to sit down reasoning this out simply isn't going to work as you need hands on experiments performed so you can carefully observe and learn from the results. Making use of the scientific method will force you to ask the right questions just as long as you are honest with yourself and pay attention to eye witness accounts of Meyer's technology in action as what they saw you will need to be seeing with your experiments. If the water is getting warm stop and figure out what you are doing wrong. If you are not getting high voltages again stop and figure out what you are doing wrong. Note, not until you figure out how to get the voltages up and above 10kv can or should you be looking for jaw dropping gas production.  When you start getting gas production you must take MMW numbers to make sure it is not Dr. Faraday style electrolysis. Taking careful temperature readings will confirm that as well for normal electrolysis will heat up the water at a predictable rate as well as produce gases at a predictable rate.

Now I take you to a bible scripture that I find relevant to this technology as it goes to those that put their pride and ego above the needs of the many. And for those of you that don't like the bible in this technology take it up with Stanley A. Meyer as he quoted Job 38:22-23 to explain this this technology and it's place in our future. Mathew 15:14 "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" Beware of these Blind Leaders that put pride and ego above all else making themselves look better than they actually are by putting forth lies in the place of real provable work. Some of them are paid to be here to make sure this technology never see's the light of day others are just puffed up full of pride and ego to the point nothing else matters to them other than their need to appear better than everyone else. The one thing you will notice with these people is the lack of any experimental data to back up what they are saying or showing. They will make claims that they are getting much higher voltages to their cells than Meyer gives us are to be the working voltages for the exciter arrays but not have jaw dropping gas production to go along with it. They will show their setups producing gases but refuse to give anyone any MMW numbers so that their work can be properly evaluated. And most of the time they will refuse to do any timed temperature test to prove that they are getting the same effects as told to us by the eye witness accounts of Stanley Meyer's work in action given to us in the Arthur C. Clarke video stating that it will run for a half hour and the temperature never goes up.

You all have to start holding people accountable for their actions and don't be afraid to ask the hard questions, like what type of test equipment are you using as if they don't have a differential probe they simply can't view this technology correctly. If they don't have a set up that is even remotely like that of Stanley A Meyer's then how can they expect to get the same results? Don Gable gave us all we needed to know in order to build the exciter array's correctly along with many other items. Sure they cost a lot to build but it comes with the territory if one wishes to pursue this field of study. You should be able to follow someone else's work providing that you also have the proper test equipment and similar cells from which to work and compare notes with. For those of you that get left behind don't take it personal and start adding in what you think will happen from your mind as this technology is very resistant to intuition and thus requires hands on experiments and at any point you find yourselves unable to perform the experiments simply choose to sit this one out as you will be doing everyone a favor by doing so.

In the video what people failed to ask me was is the unit getting hot? Well, the answer to that question is no. I ran the unit all day long and it's temperature never changed so I must be doing something right, agreed? In the video I showed a little above 4kv being applied to the exciter array but that falls short of what Meyer tells us are the working voltages for the exciter array being 10-20kv, correct? Thus you saw no jaw dropping gas production as I didn't reach the threshold for ionization with just 4kv being applied to the plates of the exciter array. I have improved much since then but as a result have run into problems that needed costly solutions to be able to correct those problems.

So, now where does this leave us and where to I stand? I can't answer for all of you but I will keep working on this technology at a pace I can handle. As for showing and sharing my work that remains to be seen as from my being kicked out for standing up for myself against racial attacks while the guilty go unpunished it leaves me terribly vexed.

Until the next time.
Take care,
TGS

I will start keeping a look out for you guys too as the one I have isn't the only one on the market.

Why they are needed is Meyer set up and system that has an isolated side to it which has a variable impedance that changes with the weather quite literally as the water's dielectric value is temperature dependent. If you manage to get the system to start charging into the thousands of volts and touch it you will know it is constantly looking for a ground as both my partner and I got shocked quite a bit when working on this technology by accidentally brushing into it.

The differential probe I use fits well for this technology as even though it isn't rated to handle 20kv it is rated to handle 15kv which is in the middle of Meyer's said working voltages for the exciter array being 10-20kv: https://www.globalmediapro.com/dp/A2H108/Pintek-DP-15K-Differential-Probe-35MHz-15kV/ It's a start as I have two other differential probes that are not rated to for these voltages and can't make use of them anymore as I have reached and surpassed their limit.

Shalom,
TGS

You read that Sebosfato? It looks like you will be getting that differential probe now  so do the math on just how much you need as we will make it happen for you 

This is how the technology will start one man at a time who's heart is in the right place.

Shalom,
TGS

Checking the literature to see what is already known in a given field is part of the Scientific Method.  doobie was using the Scientific Method when he found the information about lightning splitting water, as evidenced by the red component of the glowing discharge.  Now that Ed Mitchel has accepted this information as valid, here's a question for him:

Why is the spark from a worn out ignition coil red?

It's because the coil isn't producing any amps, just voltage.  So this voltage, only, must be splitting a little of the water present in air as humidity.  Right?

I found out a long time ago how to get a red discharge from my Plasmoid circuit.  I wasn't using any Scientific Method.  I was just experimenting at random, and made an accidental discovery.  That's how I work, and that's the Method I use.  I'm good at making accidental discoveries.  Isn't this still valid to Stan Meyer's system?  Remember that Plasmoid produces an IONIZING RADIATION, red or otherwise.

Whether or not I share this information depends on someone else's attitude.

All will be ignored from you as you are not a friend but the opposite and I truly do not feel comfortable talking to you.

would be very nice, it seems catarze takes a 13% percentage,, and if the goal is not achieved you get the money back

hope your friends chain really helps also everyone in the forum is invited too... my social networks all are up to it...

it will be probably better with paypay...

i only use this cards to buy things on the internet too as if i cant pay it get very huge interests

my probe 1000x is also 40Mohm... its output is for multimeters with 10Mohm input impedance

if 10 peason wanted to get a lot of 10 it would become much cheaper than could re-sell

I'll do what I can to help you get this as I think your work as reach an end pass without it and once you get it you will be all set to go.

Now comes the time when you will learn just who your friends are as nothing sorts them out like a little fundraiser. There are a lot of people in these forums who work for those that sell energy and they don't want to see their livelihood ended by this technology as anyone working for those that sell energy in any form more than likely are not a friend of this technology. I have found out this lesson the hard way in doing battle with them as they always prey upon the ignorance of others.

Just do the math on what you need as "we" will see what we can do as this is a good cause. But do take notice that not a single member of this forum has made a sound of support towards you right now as I sure am. This fundraiser will show you just who is truly on your side as nothing makes the Naysayer pucker up as tight as a snare drum when they are ask for funds to show their support for something they have no true intention of supporting.

As you can see through the school of hard knocks I have learned just how to weed them out.

Know that you have my support as my heart is truly in this.

Shabbat shalom,
TGS

yes ´m lazy...

you welcome...

and thaNK FOR THAT IDEA that you cant make it work but its correct so if everyone know it someone will use it for `free`` and will be forever thankfull to you... ... you just make me laught too much... i cant wait to meet you one day;; you got to be a nice guy...

i´m the kind of man so lazy that dont really should waste my time or the good energy i get with this unfruitfull discussion.

What idea that I can't make work are you talking about? What holds me back is far different than what holds you back as I am being held back by all the waiting times between projects as I save up for, pay, and then have to wait until things are made. Steve can even tell you just what I am waiting for right now if he wanted too but really he doesn't have to as I have mentioned just what I am waiting for so that I can proceed with my efforts to get my exciter array up and working. I showed a voltage that is just 1.2kv short of Meyer's 10kv minimum and the changes made should allow me to finally reach Meyer's working voltages for the exciter array.

But one thing is totally clear now is you now understand that ionization does in fact break the bonds of the water molecules as well as everyone else that reads that post I made. So, the doubt of rather or not this technology has anything to do with ionization should be over as like a cloud this technology has capacitive zones also and share many other things like a high voltage potential for example.

This thread ask for a formula on this technology and we broke things down to being that of hydronium and hydroxide ions. From our research it's clear that the hydronium ions are held together to strongly and we also learned that the single bond of the hydroxide ions are sad to be easily broken. Thus it is a logical conclusion that the gas production will be coming from the hydroxide ions as they are being broken down by way of ionization.

We even started planning for future experiments designed further our knowledge on rather or not the hydronium concentration will go up as a results of the process and if it does at what rate does it have towards dropping back down to a level 7 ph balance. These are being planned for in lew of Meyer's words and illustrations where Meyer talks about the reaction producing gases after it has been turned off.

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This is what we are talking about shown in this picture taken from the SMTB as the curve suggest something getting pushed out of equilibrium and then the time it takes for it be go back into equilibrium. These are the experiments we are talking about preparing for and the reasons why we feel we need to perform the experiments. If we can show a increase in the hydronimum concentration for then we know that it is the hydroxide ions that are being broken down to produce the usable fuel gases on demand with Meyer's technology.

As you can see we are moving forwards while you are still debating the tech to be ionization based or not.

Shalom,
TGS

i agree with you in many aspects for example

i didnt said thunderstorm  wont break water.. i said they are not breaking it thru the switch off of the covalent bounding...

i didnt said your undertanding of plants are incorrect i just said is has little to do with the electrical polarization process...

"Molecules can be separated by taking the electrons away from them." ~ excite the electrons and take them away is the core science.

the above is nothing more than an obvious statement that tells that if you take the brick off from a wall the wall will fall...

words are meaningless without trust... if you dont trust what i say why should you trust in my tables... now why should i show you any?

can the water molecule be broken without any exchange of electrons?

Once again you try and belittle what I show as that statement has never been made before as it is an Original Idea. Why I am demanding that you show your work? The scientific method demands that I ask you for proof given in a like manor. I showed you a cost effective differential probe to get and you say it's a waste of money so I really don't expect you will even try to get a truly nice oscilloscope like that of Outlawstc or Max Miller has that have differential probes built right into the unit at a cost of around $5k USD. Show your work as you word is what is meaningless here as I have shown you mines did I not? What are you afraid of? That if you actually get a differential probe it will show the world that you are not getting 50kv to your exciter array which is 30kv over what Meyer says to be the working voltages to the exciter array?

Show us is all I am asking you to do but you come up with every excuse in the book as to why 'you' don't have to show the world your work while the rest of us do. If you need funds start a crowdfunding campaign as I am sure all of your supporters here will give you a hand at getting one as even I might donate to your crowdfunding campaign.

The bottom line is I have shown everyone my work and it has not been surpassed by anyone working in the field to this date. I have also provided my original idea so that everyone can make use of it as they go out looking to see if these things are actually taking place in the world around them. And I remind you that is an original idea so you are not going to find it printed in any of our books of antiquity hence the word Original. I didn't have to share that with anyone as I could have kept that to myself but I shared it with the hopes that others would also be able to understand how this technology actually works. Like I said the body of evidence presented to date is stacked in my favor and I am sure others will find more evidence as time goes on as all they needed was to know what to look for which is what the original idea I posted gives them.

However your words are unsettling as you say the only reason why you haven't gotten it up and working is that you are too lazy. That translates to the world doesn't have this technology right now for you are just too lazy to put in the work necessary so that the world can have this technology. These are your words not mines. Now I have a much clearer picture of the type of man that you actually are and I guess I should say thanks for providing that needed to know information about yourself to us all.

"my lazyness is the only thing between me and a working cell... " a quote from you.

Shalom,
TGS

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http://sciexplorer.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/lightning-part-3-lightning-bolt.html

The air under a thunderstorm is very humid. Ionized hydrogen atoms split apart from from water vapour contribute red to the glow, so that ionized humid air glows violet. These are not my words but theirs and they say the hydrogen atoms split apart from water by way of ionization.

Is this clear enough for all of you! What more do you need?

And this information was shared with me from another person on the hereticalbuilders forum called doobie as he took the time to look for what I was talking about actually taking place in nature and, I might add, found it also.

"Molecules can be separated by taking the electrons away from them." ~ excite the electrons and take them away is the core science. This is my original idea and when I went looking for things like this taking place in nature I found them and shared what I found with everyone on this forum but these finds are rejected due to the man who's word is good as gold sebosfato. I clearly showed that a plant breaks down the water molecules in such a manor and again these are not my words but the words of others explaining how photosynthesis works. Like I said the evidence supporting what I am saying is overwhelming. But here on this forum all of this evidence is treated as something freely given has no value.

I show voltages being applied to the exciter array that no one has ever shown before and I emphasis the word shown as sebosfato has never shown what voltages he is placing on his exciter array as it is only his words which again are taken to be good as gold without any proof backing his words up. No one, to the best of my knowledge, has ever shown voltages this high being applied to the WFC other than myself. Not Max Miller, Outlawstc, Russ Griess, Don Gable, Sebosfato, and the list goes on and on and the only way to show this is with an oscilloscope like that of Outlawstc and Max Miller or with a set of differential probes. 8.8kv of potential difference is what I showed and again I have not seen anyone to this date showing voltages that high being placed on their WFC's as I have shown all of you. And again what are the working voltages of the exciter array according to Stanley A. Meyer in his patents? 10-20kv correct? I showed my work and all of this disdain is what I get for my efforts in doing so. If you have to get a differential probe to be able to show your work then get it and do so once you have it as your words are not as good as gold as I require proof just like all of you said I had to do when I showed my work to all of you.

From my point of view you don't want this technology in spite of how much you all say you do as you never demand proof from those coming at you with just their words to back up what they say. Prove me wrong and start demanding that people show you proof of what they are telling you.

Shalom,
TGS

since starting thread I have been looking for forumals ... ... havent been kicking back waiting for answer to fall in my lap
I tried to find dissociation of hydronium .    hydroxide = easy!


http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/Physical_Chemistry/Acids_and_Bases/Aqueous_Solutions/The_Hydronium_Ion

this site mentions hydronium increase = pH decrease

"Because hydronium- and hydroxide ions can “move without actually moving” and thus without having to plow their way through the solution by shoving aside water molecules as do other ions, solutions which are acidic or alkaline have extraordinarily high electrical conductivities."

kindve rings a bell about radio wave of the Kanzius guy

is it possible SM was dicing with pH from acid to base , electrically and using pH 7 as a non conductive point or zero point
Im talking high freq not slow chemistry level
also what do I know Im just throwing this in there

the article also mentions "holes and electrons" , no different than semi conductor talk

with hydronium I cant see what it would break down to , 11 proton , 10 electron ,therefore + ion , its heading for neg plate .....

I'm with you on that as I don't think the hydronium ions will be broken down either as they are held together too strongly. Plus we already saw that in nature the hydroxide ion does in fact get broken down with lightening so I think us working together on this right now have our answer. The breakdown of the hydroxide ions is what produces the gas production in Meyer's technology as remember the hydrogen molecules contribute a red glow to make the over all glow violet when air gets ionized that has a high humidity to it.

Meyer also talks about the reaction lasting for a while after the system has been shut down and this could be due to the hydronium ions dumping their charge onto the hydroxide ions with enough energy to break their bonds. It's just a thought for now as I don't have the equipment to take a close look at this but perhaps I know someone that does. I'll give him a call and see if he'd like to test this out for us once I have everything up and running.

It was very interesting to see how they both move without moving thanks for the share very interesting stuff. You might find this study of interest: http://imnh.isu.edu/digitalatlas/hydr/basics/main/chmtxt.htm

This page also talks about hydronium being very stable: http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ionisoh.html and a lot about the hydroxide ions.

I think we are in uncharted territory here as this reaction would need to be run and then it's Ph balance tested in a before and after test and against time to see it the reaction stabilizes as the gas production decreases to see if in fact there is a build up of hydronium ions in the water bath. I might need to pick up a good ph tester for this but the good doctor I know has all the good stuff lets just hope he is willing to test things out for us.
Shalom,
TGS

besides any process water goes through , water still has the natural property to self ionize itself

2 H20 <> OH-  +  H3O+

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ionization_of_water

so either an applied process over rides this natural property OR
self ionization is an integral part of the applied process OR
the process is the natural property Amplified

working with nature instead of against ,  just a thought

I think you are right as that is why Meyer's technology doesn't take up large amounts of current to break the bonds of the water molecules as it is doing something the water molecules have a tendency to do all by themselves. Ionization is the key we just had to start asking the right questions.

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-07-27_182645_zpshlpc68n3.png)

Here we can see that a very localized field can break the bonds of the Hydroxide ion as it is a single bond and fairly weak. The VIC transformer places a very localized field on the water molecules that are in between the voltages zones. Now if we take this a step further as I have shown in this drawing:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/TheElectricalPolarizationProcess-1.png)
We can see that the exciter array is pulling the water molecules apart in very much the same way as when the water molecules do randomly all by themselves so I think it's safe to say the process is in fact dealing with IONIZATION as it all makes a lot of sense when looking at the properties of water and comparing it to Meyer's technology.

Shalom,
TGS

@h2opower:

The waveform you claim is "impossible" is not impossible at all.  The only difference between that envelope and what Stan shows as the output of the 8xa circuit is that the amplitude increases with each pulse.  This is exactly what would be expected if a number of choke coils were spaced along a standing wave.  As the amplitude of the standing wave increases, so will the amplitude of the pulse produced by the coil at that position. 

You Jerry have no idea how Meyer made his standing waves or how this technology behaves as you have not built & tested a single part of this technology correctly. If I don't tell you right now you simply will not be able to tell everyone just how Meyer went about making standing waves and guess what? I am not going to tell you.

You see I have built & tested a great many things concerning this technology so I speak from experience have done the ground work to be able to know what it is I am talking about. You try and compare yourself to Stanley Meyer telling everyone, "See I am like Stanley Meyer" when you are nothing like him and you resorted to lying about and/or slandering Stanley Meyer in order for you to make such a bold claim: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=12862&postcount=144

What is your real agenda? Who's payroll are you actually on? The only way you are going to be able to see what this technology does is for you to build it as close to that of Stanley A. Meyer's designs and afterwords test what ever you build with actual hands on experiments. You can't look at the pictures and gain any real world knowledge or experience in dealing with this technology as it simply doesn't work that way.

Tell us which section in the technical brief is Stanley A. Meyer actually talking about standing waves if you please so we can at least know that you read it.

TGS : Put your fat a*s  out of this topic, you dont respect others opinion, so you are not adding anything to the research, please stay away from this topic.

Better any Moderator CLOSE THIS TOPIC.

Where is the calculation of the resonant cavity? do you even know any principle about what it is and how it works?

I will continue my research by myself offline without "interferences" of the "smart" men like TGS.

See you soon.

You see my point, this guy shows up to apple hill with an assortment of nuts and wonders why we are all looking at him funny.

Here is yet another person showing a B+ and a B- voltage being applied to his water fuel capacitor. Again the voltages aren't as balanced as they could be but it is workable and "we" can compare notes as we have brought apples to apple hill.

well a 3 % error would mean that if you have 100vpp you already get 3v of noise?

and if you have 10000v you get what 300v? so how do we know if this is just miscalibration or if is a real voltage at the cell my friend?

If not

why the 3%?

You see the problem i´m facing here?

300v appearing here could mislead totally what you are seeing as the waveforms also will get distorted out of it..

the probe seems to be working just fine but if we could get around on this problem it would be a perfect probe!

maybe small difference in the wires who knows..

I'd say turn your differential probe back in as you got a bum one. As I told you I don't get any noise and 2% error is what the probe I have is rated at. I set it on AC for the oscilloscope as that is what is coming out of the VIC going to the exciter array. It's a modified AC wave but it is AC none the less complete with a B+ and a B- voltage as per what Meyer talks about in his lecture videos and patent information. So when I show a scope shot of 8.8kv that is plus or minus 176 volts of that reading which is a good reading of the voltage that I show is high voltage. At 9.4kv the reading is good for plus or minus 188 volts so no matter what I am above 9000 volts of potential difference being applied to the plates of the exciter array.

Meyer says a cell of my size needs 10kv or more to work correctly so that is what I am shooting for. A cell your size will require 11kv or more according to the information Meyer gives us for it to work correctly. Only when we have reached these voltage levels being applied to the water fuel capacitor can we say Meyer was telling the truth or not with integrity. Not high voltage being applied to the choke but high voltage being applied to the load which is the water fuel capacitor with a resistance of Re according to what Meyer shows us in the patent information. If the transformer you make can't handle the load it will not send any high voltage to the exciter array. This is a problem most faced before I showed high voltage being applied to the exciter array at the 2013 Global BEM as when they hooked up their probes to the exciter array they would only see 5-10 volts being applied to the load.  Then comes along Max, Ronnie, and me showing that you can put a high voltage to the load. Then Russ finally crossed the 1kv mark with Ronnie's help, Outlawstc with Max's help, and several others with my help. We all still have work to do but at least we are all getting high voltage to the load. We may not agree on many things but we all hook up our probes to the same place to take our readings from so we can compare to each others work as we all have apples.

Right now from what you have told me about your work you are getting 15kv at the chokes but need to figure out why this voltage isn't making it to the load. Just so you don't waste any more money I will tell you that your transformer turn ratio is way off and you should adjust it to the same or nearly the same as what Meyer's is which is around 1:3 to 1:8 as any higher and the transformers can't take the load the exciter array places on them. I have already told you that the secondary and the chokes need to have the same turn count and have shown you just how to wire everything up correctly, at least I think I have, plus a whole lot more.

Now this waveform isn't mines but note he does have a B+ and a B- voltage being applied to the plates of the exciter array and is in the kv range. His voltages aren't balanced as the B+ and B- voltages need to be close to being equal as you can get but it is workable.

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-08-09_112058_zpsvyspwktk.png)

TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).

Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.

I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png

The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?

The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg

You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.

Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS

TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).

Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.

I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png)

The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?

The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg)

You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.

Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS

Why wont you put us at ease there TGS and give us some gas readings.

I might give some MMW numbers but as far as putting on a show for you all with the way you treat me and real science I don't think so. Thus far none of you have been able to surpass the gas production seen in this video with your efforts to reproduce Meyer's technology;



And this is the waveform that goes along with the experiment:

(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/GasProcessorfinalassembly005-2.jpg)