AncientMist

So I did know  Dynodon had a video on the VIC layout that ran one tube of the VIC circuit. Hydrogenmask has started the thread it is located here. http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1513.msg17736/boardseen.html#new

What I am putting together is in the pictures/videos their are no individual bobbins that share a capacitance effect on each other. Like how the fig 6-1 does. It just shows both chokes individual from each other. From what I have been researching is that the parasitic capacitance can be used if the inductor is properly design. Stans show the the chokes a multilayer inductor. This may also be the reason being that Stan used a small tube set because the tube capacitance is small. Because the coils capacitance is a small capacitance to Start with. Do you remembered he mentioned the coating of the wire need to be over 3,000 volts?

This would mean the resonance is happening inside the Choke itself with its own capacitance and inductance. This is true cause ever coil has a resonant frequency.  This resonance in the coil would create high voltages in series with the wfc tube.

This also maybe why Stan wound his own inductors to have control over the inductance and distributed capacitance between the coils or turns of wire.

So to figure this problem with Stan would be proficient in inductor design.  Most of the time distributed (parasitic) capacitance is a downside to inductors. What is very fasinatic is that Nikola Tesla did invent  coils to have an increase of parasitic capacitance thru the winding of bifilar coils or pancake coils.

In conclusion is that the distributed (parasitic) capacitance of windings or the capacitance of individual coils plays a very important part to the WFC to create high voltage. This important missing part may be what everyone has missed and need to implement. To increase the potental difference of each winding or coil to achieve higher voltages!!! I going to research more on this. hehehehe

Suggestions???

Ok I am just throwing this out there but lets look at the words resonant charging choke. I believe Stan Meyer gave this its name for the reason I am about to discuss. If Stan did use a multiple Multilayered coils side by side with dielectric material such a delrin. then the following would be true.

Resonant - when the diode blocks the current from flowing the other direction the Stans special coil that i described can store energy thru its made capacitance and inductance. This could be resonated with certain frequency. This hold true since any inductors due have a self resonant frequency.

Charging - when input voltage is applied the coils self made capacitance and inductance stores energy.

Choke - any inductor is an choke that restricts amps by slowing the process of current fluctuations. 

@ sebosfato

I am sorry to here of the wasted efforts on time money for the cause of Stanley Meyer or any other related projects.  I have had similar events as well on other projects when learning something.

Sure Stan Meyer may have put some things that are not clearly seen but feel it is already there and he give it to you plain as day in the Tech Brief, patents, and videos. This is true when I had no idea about electronics and physics, but the more I learned the more he is telling the truth. From what I tell he described it, it was common knowledge for him.

A good example would be a teacher when they teach something. I do not know if this is going to make sense, but I have had teachers know what they were talking but lacked the communication teaching methods to get it across. It was harder to understand. Stan Meyer was getting the point across but was missing things that were common knowledge for him which for us it is the fine details. This is how I take it but I am open to anything.

The reason for my anylisis for the multiple mutlilayered coil is a couple of reasons.
1. He said that while working with radar he discovered this process. The Pulse Forming Network is used in the radar field.
2. He uses the phrase inductance/capacitance. Inductance is easy to understand but the capacitance is a capacitor form thru between the coils.
3. He shows that there are multiple coils are used instead of one inductor in the fig 6-1 VIC.
4. He uses the coil symbol instead of an inductor symbol.
5. Also the drawings in fig 8xA he shows individual coils with coupling inductance.

What am thinking of is instead of using a single inductor it should be used by a multiple mutlilayered coil. Now as far as the interaction of the transformer goes. This would be a concern with the VIC 6-1. I am just looking at the interaction between the resonant charging choke and the WFC. The reason why the transformer has no magnetic reaction in the fig 8xA.

Has anyone seen the choke for Figure 8XA??? Can this be a Multilayered Coil... The International report has a pic but I can not tell.

The VIC is a tuned tank circuit. The posibility of using the same core for a multiple stage step up transformer (thing of it kind of like a marx generator charge in parrelle discharge in series) This is part that intregues me. A tank circuit when tuned to circuit resonance can push the voltage to a mathmatical infinite. This means it will push it up to the point of dielectrical breakdown. Now his statements about the VIC slowly fall into place for everyone. There were a few that i didn't understand till rescently.
1. he talks about the two "inductors" increasing in base voltage by adding more turns, now with an inductor more turn means more henries not more voltage, on a step up transformer more turns means more voltage.
2. His frequency doubling effect only happens if all the coils share the same core and the right frequency is used. This is because you will get the pulse from the "inductors" and then the pulse from the secondary all of which having the voltage doubling effect that inductors have.
3. His use of the 1kv diode. This wouldn't do much to the extent he is talking about except for the protection of the "inductors"
 
There is one point i think should be though out before mimicing his idea. BEMF. There will be a fair whack on it, most absorbed in the inductors and secondary but somethign to think about.

Yes the more turns on the inductors would not increase more voltage and also more turns on the transformer for for increased volts...

So I think I have the solution to create more voltage.  heheheh

Ok so someone this site someone was referencing the PFN which is a Pulse Forming Network. It use is to step up the voltage on the relationship of the coil with capacitors. Now if the coils between other coils were side by side  they would create capacitance with each other. This is clearly demonstrated on the parasitic capacitance of the dielectric coating on the wire side by side of the wire.  We are not looking at the parasitic capacitance but a capacitance between the multilayered coils. The coils beside each other created capacitance between each other. Now lets think is this what Stan did with the VIC Circuit. Yes!!! This was on the secondary as well on the chokes. Also I just watch the New Zealand video and he say more turns create more voltage. This is not the more turns on a regular one coil inductor but was he saying add more coils side by side each other to create a capacitance effect. 

Why does he use the phrase inductance/capacitance??? Look at the beginning concepts he demonstrated with figure 8XA.
Actually if you hear him an go back to the Tech brief he show a parallel capacitance. In many of the VIC drawing he show the symbol of a coil instead of the symbol of the inductor. The Coils are a representation of each multilayered inductor.

So in conclusion on will have to just make a multilayered choke. This would result in a step charging affect in the WFC by the means of discharging of each capacitor between each coil. With the step charging effect the voltage will reach to the point of dielectric breakdown of the water molecule. Like Stan said he was dialing into the natural properties of water meaning dielectric breakdown..

Really wish I had the material to build this. So if anyone wants to use their same setup but make the choke a multilayer coil by using the capacitance effect.

The picture of the coil for the Figure 8XA shows the individual coils. How do I know well, look at the coupling
inductance between each coil.


                                                                                               

Hey sebosfato.

Your process does follow in the same manner. Finding the relationship of the acting force on the electrons in the water molecule. That is true and is better suited for the use of the extraction circuit. This does also happen in the WFC. But in my opinion the voltage force is needs to be directly related to the atoms of the water molecule because the atom has a very much larger mass.  The mass of the atom either hydrogen or oxygen needs to considered.

In sense any frequency can work as long as you build a high voltage potential on both sides.  Stan just used resonance to build this high voltage. Both sides of voltage potential physicals pulls the atoms just like Voltage pushes the electrons to make electricity. It is just looked at a different way but it is needed to have two opposite Voltages of the same magnitude.

Because of this I am hoping to solve mathematically how the basic principles of electrical theory (which came from electrical physics) can prove Stan’s work. I am going to work on this today since I cannot contribute to the building process until the future.. But soon.... Cause I want to so bad!!!!

All,

I have a project section for this build! Please check my section for updates! I will make postings of my findings when they come available.

Hello Steve and welcome Ancientmist

i was reading and had a thought about something you just said Steve..

in a car you could use a solenoid valve to deviate a small part of the water that should go to the radiator and pass it thru a copper tube, around or inside the cell, such as to keep it hot... the valve can be controlled by a temperature sensor to keep the cell temperature stable... i guess this may help maintain the operation stability

=D

Thanks for the input. This would definitely work to maintain a constant temperature setpoint for the bubbler system. I think this is why Paul Pantone diverted some of the exhaust around the bubbler in his famous "Big Blue" setup. However, I will look into addressing this issue if the system shows signs of being cold during operation.

plse make sure that the space around the innerrod is the same in totall diameter as yr standard carburator inlet diameter.

The other thing is that the container wirh the water petrol mix becomes very cold during operations. That shuts it down...

Try to insulate yr geet reaction chamber so you can keep it as hot as you can...As close to the exhaust hole as well.

And the diameter of yr exhaust hole must match the space around the two tubes where the exhaust gasses go thru.

In stead of using that glas bottle you might think of using two smaller carburators. One for water and one for petrol.

Did you take a look at that huge geet build pics?

My best results with geet i got with my hho cell and an bubler filled with used oil....

I like it that you want to test a geet system.
If you have any questions....

cheers!

I have taken the Exhaust flow and Intake flow diameters into consideration and will match this a close as possible to the existing engine output. Due to the design I have, I may end up making a few reactors systems to test without redesigning the entire system.

I will try the bubbler system first to see what results I get. I understand maintaining a vacuum is critical to the system operation. Later I can look into adding a small carburetor. If you notice, there is a third inlet port to the design I have. My plan was to add this line to a carburetor for the initial startup process and burn-in procedure.

I did review the Huge GEET build pics. Replicating this would have been some work, and I don't have access to all the equipment at the moment. I may look into this further down the road. Need to understand the GEET process first with my own ideas to feel confident on going forward.

Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated

Yeah. I did look at the Paul Pantone section, but since it's an old thread I was curious if anyone did anything up-to-date so far.

Attached is 2 pdfs of an initial design that I'm going to build. The design concept is going off all the information I have found so far and will do some testing.

My intent is to design the test rig so it can be changed-out easily with different types of reactors, engines, reactor rods. etc...

Thank you for the posting!