Horvath Patents Allowed Engine To Run On Water Improved Electrolysis Efficiency
Started by unknown · · 33 posts · last reply 19 September 2025
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#26 · date not recorded
Patent 3980053 Hydrogen generator was studied by me in great depth, quite a while back in time. I had way earlier, typed out a 2 page corrections of minor errors and items involved , not necessary to add to car engine to run on hydrogen fuel . Fuel upon demand, no gaseous storage. Things were printed as too expensive or particular design manufacturing, to detour others from duplicating the system. I was already aware of these common inclusions in a $5000 Patent. This letter is to inform you of my recent solution to a section of Patent data PROBLEM that was missed by me earlier, as wrong on purpose AND DESIGNED IN,,, the Patent literature. I am presently building the Horvath power supply and water cell tank for duplication, as an average individual would do it without the up above parts/ designs not necessary, but including all of the important EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS as Horvath did. This project was on my mind for years, and quite similar to a beefed up Capacitor Discharge Ignition circuit, as used for powering an improved efficiency Electrolysis cell. He also took data from previous Patents of theirs and incorporated them in his design. It's really the amount of fuel generated, as important, not the efficiency of a power supply!
Here we go:-- A pulse energy into coil has a reverse flow back. The secondary side coil of a transformer follows the primary method the same, except for a ratio change of turns. There can be 60cycles or 20,000 cycles frequency or higher. In general, iron lamination sheets are used for lower frequency range, while Ferrite is on high frequency. As frequency increases, less turns are necessary on primary side. It makes it easier to wind on core. The Patent was correct in that on + off time is required for cell plates, as about/around 50% duty cycle, on the SECONDARY side transformer. This allows the stuck polarized ions to release and rise up in the solution. Horvath said to use iron laminations for TR2, as the secondary side receives what's called Positive Critical wave form as seen on Scope.( High frequency used on low frequency type core.) This was to get a DC pulse for making Hydrogen gas and WITHOUT A Rectifier which would cause loss of 40-70 Watts heat loss, reducing efficiency, the rectifier forward volts drop loss times the current 200amps. This inclusion in Patent was INTENTIONAL TO DETOUR others from duplicating the design as printed. NOT POSSIBLE to get sufficient Inductance in 100-300 microhenry range, at LOW turns, as necessary with the associated capacitor, on iron laminations!!! Ferrite must be used for way higher inductance on low number to turns to be able to get 10:1 ratio for 22A going to 200 A, with heavy battery cable low turns secondary side of transformer.
All you have to do is put fast recovery high frequency diodes/ rectifier on primary side to stop the reverse wave form, on both sides!
The secondary side sees the same thing!!! I have Primary side heatsink, with fast recovery stud diode as 1N3913 as 400v DC + 30amps (cathode stud) .
Secondary has wind of #6 gauge cable . The 2 ends hook to TWO short #6 ends coming from out side of tank using COPPER cable joint connector with large copper screw.
My rectangle aquarium tank was made with 3/8" thick plates. Presently ordering #6 red cable and gauges. The separate plastic water safety container will have pop off rubber plug, microswitch shuts off oscillator capacitor ground connection, while the flashback arrester is hand made with brass tube and brass wool, and SS screens. KOH is hard to find. Water solution is done by weight of water + chemical together, as 25% and 75% for total weight solution together. You weight the tank with plates first, then determine water level and final total weight minus tank to get final water only with interior displacemrnt.. (Volume + weight will change in final solution to get 25%) See GrokAI.com .
Past dc to ac Inverters had primary extra feedback wind , so as unit shuts down during SCR shorting with saturation of core. (self protection). The modern China 1000W Inverter has IC driven oscillator + needs new and different protection from burn out, during main MOSFET switch operation with it's separate gate oscillator. The method is to charge CDI capacitor through another MOSFET. . Diode at capacitor then does the discharge through the main Mosfet to primary. and then other one way diode. The resistor going to gate of first Q, is ALSO in series with Drain of main MOSFET, so as NO SHORT. First Q shuts off during cap discharge. Can also see book pages to see circuit done with earlier Bipolar transistor. and SCR. Add on circuit was used earlier to raise up frequency of firing lasers. Build Your Own Laser, Phaser, Ion ray gun, And Other working space Age Projects. pages 33-36. Great stuff! I have 3 copies.
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#27 · date not recorded
Russ, seriously, Good luck
I know you already know this. For anyone reading.
Q1 UJT for sawtooth output. RC timing
T1 thyristor gate
TR1 push pull transformer
Q3 Q4 push pull
TR2 transformer
13 earth
14 pos
15 neg
The gas at the end comes from the water molecule. Chemical additives is a personal choice.
A patent is a legal document and not instructional in any way.
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#28 · date not recorded
15 = negative terminal of battery, assumed to be LEAD
14 = positive terminal of battery, assumed to be LEAD
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Just finishing up the built power supply for the Horvath Patent Hydrogen Generator. It includes the efficiency methods added , as in the Patent. 900W peak pulses into Primary TR2 transformer for positive DC, #12gauge magnet wire, #6 gauge cable for secondary side. 50% duty cycle with off time , for the cell to be built later. Pulsing on + off dc capacitor pulses at 16.7khz, N + S magnetic fields to speed ions transport, and 12 spoked / flutes/ ribs, as roughened with machined knurling. US Patent # 3980053. More modern components were used to replace technology of mid 1970's. Battery power draw as about 450 watts as due to the off time , designed in, for the later used aquarium water cell .Is there anyone interested in this method self powered engine on Hydrogen. I have Briggs one cyl and Geo Metro 3 cyl engine on engine stand. Questions?attachment_17261 attachment_17263 attachment_17265 attachment_17267 DSC02080.JPG DSC02081.JPG DSC02082.JPG DSC02083.JPG
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#30 · date not recorded
nice stuff!
I still have my horvarth style electrodes, nickel coated... -
#31 · date not recorded
the powersupply of horvarth was made to dump pulses.
The only way that such a cell can consume high amp pulses is when a higher voltage is applied and or if the water is higly conductive.Horvarth talks about hundreds of amps.
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#32 · date not recorded
The Horvath water cell is highly conductive because of using the BEST potassium hydroxide solution, over other types. The transformer PEAK pulse amps of about 200A , 900watts, is about 100amps average current injected into solution with off time, so as the battery power draw is about 450 Watts.The 10 to one step down ratio to secondary side automatically raises up the amps. The cell accepts this and the 4 efficiency improvements are in the cell itself. The SIZE of electrodes is related to the amount of voltage needed. The S1R9A9M9 Georgia spark plug electrolysis of tiny electrodes required about 100volts pressure due to the way reduced area of electrodes. Horvath efficiency improvements all at same time as, -- spoked directed ions flow electrodes, heat applied to solution, magnetic field enhancement of ions flow, and pulsed on + off DC - not straight DC. (release of stuck ions during off time pulses) . Archie Blue Patent used forced neutral unpolarized air injected into bottom of cell doing "clean sweep stuck ions". -
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If you were following my messages earlier, I said the sizing of original spoked electrodes anode with area dimensions , came from taking the Patent cell drawing to an office copying machine with ruler, and doing successive enlargements , so as the TR2 metal core was exact 3/4", as stated in Patent". This way the other dimensions can be revealed. Are you building a cell+ power supply also?
What's important is the "time line"- Speed of charging as faster than the discharging frequency of capacitor discharges. 51Khz full wave DC ripple frequency has period 1/F. It takes 2 pulses to fully recharge cap in between discharges. Each discharge of Cap is same, - .054Watt. Times 16,700 cycles for separate discharging oscillator to get the 900 Peak watts. Use scientific calculator with formulas. There has to be a "window" of time microseconds after the pulse stops, for the available off time , so as complete recharges happen for 330vDC. A feedback loop wiring and zeners + optocoupler as hooked back to the Master IC, SG3525 keeps voltage regulated, so as parts don't burn out with over voltage. 23.7usec cap stops through diode of primary, , with difference to 60 useconds of the discharge oscillator available off time. The 22 amps pulse is under 30useconds and then off to the 60usecs. This is reflected to the TR2 secondary side as POSITIVE DC pulse with off time in the water. 1/4 wavelength is used in formula for cap discharge time as primary has diode. The charging section at other end has about 11.3 uhenry inductor and series diode also , so as just 330 volts is applied and not 660v. .Charge time was 10.6 microseconds in 1/2 wavelength. Separate digital DISCHARGE oscillator module set duty cycle about 30 microseconds. You can also send short questions to Grok AI, but need to repeat with different wording so as a better reply is made. . A computer cannot think, just relay tech data that's all ready out there.
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