Attention Attention !!!!

#2 · 23 Mar 2009

i already have this.....along with a ton of other pdfs.......if you want other amazing pdfs i can post them there is even an entire book on scalar waves......but i need some sort of poll.....i have many things to do.....

edit: i didn't have this one just checked.....i am reading it now.

#3 · 23 Mar 2009

once again.....so many parallels with so many other people's work......tesla, ed gray, lindemann's writings, and seredas writings........

#4 · 23 Mar 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4FGkU841UI&feature=related

Now watch this video 3 minutes and beyond .

Quote from: Dankie on March 23, 2009, 18:17:53 pm

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I believe we touched opon something interresting yesterday , outlaw was thoerizing on this .

I said the following .

So what if it were possible to *pump* our water (dipole) , I believe this is what Stan was referring too , this is the broken symetry we are after , this is how I believe Daniel Dingel was creating electricity , this is what Stephen Meyers was saying . The *art of pumping*

What if we could do this , would the water then be charged ( like a capacitor ) , could we then apply a polarizing force using the waters *own magical charge* to break itself in a unipolar way with a diode in the circuit .

Or maybe this is just the way the gas gets more GTNT power .

Plz discuss , I believe this hypothesis takes into account why we simply cant charge our water capacitor and fills in the blank holes .

Flaghole

#6 · 24 Mar 2009

I believe we touched opon something interresting yesterday , outlaw was thoerizing on this .

I said the following .

So what if it were possible to *pump* our water (dipole) , I believe this is what Stan was referring too , this is the broken symetry we are after , this is how I believe Daniel Dingel was creating electricity , this is what Stephen Meyers was saying . The *art of pumping*

What if we could do this , would the water then be charged ( like a capacitor ) , could we then apply a polarizing force using the waters *own magical charge* to break itself in a unipolar way with a diode in the circuit .

Or maybe this is just the way the gas gets more GTNT power .

Plz discuss , I believe this hypothesis takes into account why we simply cant charge our water capacitor and fills in the blank holes .

I always liked the way Stan's cell was pressurized. (He had a PRV - Pressure Relief Valve attached of course) So many of other cells being tested are being operated at atmospheric pressures. Does HHO generation increase as pressure is increased?

I see so many tube cell designs securing the tubes very well, thus, the mechanical force of some of these new cell designs inhibiting the resonance properties of the tubes while the electromagnetic generated signals are applied. Stan only secured the base of his inner tube and used spring steel for the outer tube.

Maybe it's the pumping action that occurs when bubbles rise to the surface pulling more water up between the tubes to be electromatically charged.

I like the fact that Stan used the bump method with power on/off/on/off. Maybe it was also the reason he chose 304 stainless over 316 stainless in his tube design. 304 of course is slightly ferromagnetic. Power off was enough to allow the gas bubble to separate/release from the tube and escape, while the residual magnetic property in the 304 tube material maintained water molecule electron alignment until the next "on" phase could separate. So what if the water gets a little dirty.

Per Admiral Griffin, Stan delberately deoptomized his demonstration cell used in his 1980 patent and used 14" length tubes. Why are 27" length tubes reported as being optimal and so explosion risky? Why is snow white?

I personnally did a tube test and even though both inner and outer tubes weighed the same with the smaller tube being about an inch longer the resonant frequencies of each didn't match. I will need to notch the outer tube so they both ring the same (like tuning forks).

Thanks for your Tom Beardin link Dankie! I'll have to study this more.

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#7 · 24 Mar 2009

the danger in longer tubes is the fact that the water molecules pulsed at high potential difference(this is what i will call it from now on instead of voltage) splits the water then as it continues to float upwards through the pipes it will become ionized and as it floast higher it will become unstable and eventually ignite, also igniting all hydrogen within the container......i personally do not believe in the "tuning fork theory"......i believe in the waveguide theory as the true resonant action not the physical resonant condition of the tubes such as a pipe organ.....that for one is never mentioned in stan's technology......maybe harmonics and multiple frequencies such as bob boyce and andrija puharich's work but stan's is a different.

stan always waited for his cell to build up 6psi of pressure before using it's gas.......he says this in the new zealand house lecture videos....

#8 · 24 Mar 2009

I believe more pressure means stunted gas production . At least this is what Bob Boyce is saying .

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the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

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[space-time] = [virtual particle flux of vacuum] = [energy]

lol

Quote from: haithar on March 24, 2009, 14:38:24 pm

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the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

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[space-time] = [virtual particle flux of vacuum] = [energy]

lol

Well I dont think he bothered too much researching into the guy , he just saw the video and layed out a hypothesis , a very well informed hypothesis . There is nothing more out there about Kanzius .

Obviously , what we are trying to accomplish here is way beyond your simple EE .

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yea because you seem to have a wide background in theoretic physics and scientific research in general aside from watching google video documentations and reading pdfs which aren't researched well (you did admit this in your last post). i believe meyer's technology can work but it's not that university science and especially their methods are not based on proof instead of wild guesswork.
so instead on driving myself crazy with mysterious mib, the belief that 90% of the people - especially scientists - are "sheeple" and such i attend a university (like meyer did by the way for some time).
see which thing gets us farther.

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[space-time] = [virtual particle flux of vacuum] = [energy]

looks like e=mc2 backwards and in other words.. space time= constant speed of light
virtual particle flux of vacuum seems like it could me atom density??? and energy.. C2= mass= energy?

Quote from: haithar on March 24, 2009, 15:43:09 pm

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yea because you seem to have a wide background in theoretic physics and scientific research in general aside from watching google video documentations and reading pdfs which aren't researched well (you did admit this in your last post). i believe meyer's technology can work but it's not that university science and especially their methods are not based on proof instead of wild guesswork.
so instead on driving myself crazy with mib and such i attend a university (like meyer did by the way for some time).

I connected the dots and I am not in EE , I was in construction engineering but I quit because it was too boring . Now I'm doing industrial electronics @ cegep (college ) , I may or may not go to EE but if I can get this working why would I waste my time with more boring school , besides these people are dumb , most of them are straight impractical and dont know shit .

For me , its all about assmilating the info and the dots connect by themselves , and yes its theoretical and I read and trust these pdf's , thx you . What kind of propaganda *accepted science* are you talking about , I trust more Tom Bearden than the american science institute ? When is the last time you heard them talking about Stan Meyers ...

The way Bearden gives the info is subtil , hes an undercover for us , tiping us off in the open with extreme knowledge .

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most of them are straight impractical and dont know shit .

fucking zombies lol they need to WAKE UP

Steve

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First: The pdf of Bearden is nice.
Second: What does he mean with it all?
Its in the Stan Meyer bla bla bla category, if you ask my opinion.
All the stuff makes sence on the first view, but at the end its all crap.

I say this from a practical point of view.
I tried to hit the water with HV spikes. I tried to hit the water with LV spikes. NO difference at all.
Have you ever shot a gun into water? If not, then watch the Mythbusters on TV. They performed that once.
As you can see, the bullet from a 0.50, which is very powerfull, didnot come futher then 1 meter and thats that.
So, water has a structure that consumes energy's.
It's a perfect filter for all kind of materials. Look into your cup of thee when sugar is dissapearing.
So, what about voltage spikes? Well, to make them "punch a hole", you need current flowing.
If you hit it with NO current, then the spike will go NO where.
So, you need current. Well, Stan and I agree on that part. Lucky for him...

I think Bearden will agree on that as well. Mr. Kanzius used also lots of power for his tests.

Not sure where i go with this post, but anyway. The only option left is the golden middle.
Try like 0.5 amps on your cell and pulse on top of that some spikes and see what comes out of that.
In phase or 180 degrees out of phase...I do not care at this moment.
At the end you have a voltage potential with electrons flowing = current.
If you do not use a steady limited currentflow, the water will always return into equilibrium.
SO, all the trouble of pulling the molecules apart will be for nothing.

There is one exception. It seems to be possible to gain the freed electrons with an EEC circuit.
There are some options open.

br
Steve

electrojolt

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I just want to add this:

Experiment, test, and share your results. Theory is very nice, but reality is a different monster.

Quote from: haithar on March 24, 2009, 14:38:24 pm

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the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

lol

and for anyone who is questioning tom bearden's authenticity.....

He was a nuclear engineer, wargames analyst, and military tactician, Lieutenant Colonel (retired) Tom bearden has over 26 years experience in air defense systems, tactics and operations; technical intelligence, antiradiation missile countermeasures; nuclear weapons employment, computerized wargames; and military systems requirements.

Tom Bearden obtained a Master of Science degree in nuclear engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology and a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics from Northeast Louisiana University. He is also a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College and several U.S. Army artillery and missile schools.

This is the foreword of a research book and is written by John T. Ratzlaff.

so even if bearden gave a person the title Dr........he himself is far more credible then your one superimposed statement.

lol

Steve

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Quote from: kinesisfilms on March 24, 2009, 18:29:35 pm

Quote from: haithar on March 24, 2009, 14:38:24 pm
the fact alone that he attests John Kanzius a Dr. title makes the whole pdf dubious and untrustworthy.

lol

and for anyone who is questioning tom bearden's authenticity.....

He was a nuclear engineer, wargames analyst, and military tactician, Lieutenant Colonel (retired) Tom bearden has over 26 years experience in air defense systems, tactics and operations; technical intelligence, antiradiation missile countermeasures; nuclear weapons employment, computerized wargames; and military systems requirements.

Tom Bearden obtained a Master of Science degree in nuclear engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology and a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics from Northeast Louisiana University. He is also a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College and several U.S. Army artillery and missile schools.

This is the foreword of a research book and is written by John T. Ratzlaff.

so even if bearden gave a person the title Dr........he himself is far more credible then your one superimposed statement.

lol.

Looks like a perfect CV for a counter intelligence agent?

br
Steve

Wow, just 1 post away from the 1000 posts. What will i give myself as present?

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stan says current creates chaos in the cell. it doesnt allow the water to polarize. the polarization process happens because of no current and its between the 2 different vectors. one vector is giving clockwise the other counter. one is bombarded with electrons the other holes.. a storm has a high and a storm has a low.. a tornado is no different then a lighting strike in a sence in comparison its transfers of potential are happening realtivly slow and in massive current?

outlawstc

Quote from: outlawstc on March 24, 2009, 18:38:16 pm

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Bearden is too hard to understand to be an counter-intel agent , the guy is talking chinese .

A cointel agent is something like the Ravi doceument , something big , something popular .

Tom Bearden isthe crazy old guy in the corner...

Steve

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stan says current creates chaos in the cell. it doesnt allow the water to polarize. the polarization process happens because of no current and its between the 2 different vectors. one vector is giving clockwise the other counter. one is bombarded with electrons the other holes.. a storm has a high and a storm has a low.. a tornado is no different then a lighting strike in a sence in comparison its transfers of potential are happening realtivly slow and in massive current?

outlawstc

Hi Outlawstc,

I like your theory's very much.

But i have some questions for a long time on my mind, like have you ever asked yourself how the watermolecule looks like when polarized?
Every oxygen atom is surrounded by 4 hydrogen atoms. If you build that into like a 3Dcluster, you see that it is practically impossible to get some kind of polarization in it. The other thing is that water is not 1 substance. Not 1 cluster, as to speak. It hold multiple clusters.
Current is aligning the clusters. Make is into strings. A string can be resonated. A non string cannot. Glas can be resonated. Wool not.
If there is something to be resonated on atomic level, then where do we need to look for? The nucleus? The electrons?
If a voltage spike can perform work, as Stan said, then what part would it tickle? It doesnt reach into the free floating waterclusters without current.

Well, i am not totally honest here. I have made in the past a transmitter which had a 7.8hz modulation on it. That aparatus enterd the human bodycells.
And it had a great effect on the health of people. So, a RF signal, like FM in my case, can penetrate water very good as well.
So, we have actually 2 options: current or RF to reach the watermols.

br
Steve
BINGO, 1000 posts

Quote from: kinesisfilms on March 24, 2009, 18:29:35 pm

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much not physics related stuff

what has being in the army to do with developing theories for our universe? that doesn't give him any credibility nor takes it. i dont care if anyone has a title or not as long as he is doing good research.

and who would say that (space-)time is the same as energy? maybe someone can explain this.

Quote from: stevie1001 on March 24, 2009, 19:25:30 pm

If a voltage spike can perform work, as Stan said, then what part would it tickle? It doesnt reach into the free floating waterclusters without current.

stevie, if you do not believe that voltage under some circumstances can perform work, which is understandable, why do you put further effort into researching the meyer technology? or did you stop with that after you became aware of this thought?

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they are all theorys and i havent built any of this still working on getting materials for my alternator. i have done lots of research and have observed many peoples very helpfull experiments.. the way i see it electrons being forced from one side over the cell you are sending to many electrons then it can pass.. water isnt solid so it doesnt pass electrons like copper.. it will cause chaos in the fluid.. electrons are like wind to water... but if you raise the difference on each side.. the current isnt going in the cell because of the way the opposing charges are attracted to each other sitting in the bifilar.. with a balance difference it is more work for them to cross the cell. but if they were on seperarte cores they wouldnt share that attraction anymore that kept them in the choke.

outlawstc

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if your going to quote me quote me correctly......much not physics related stuff......oh yeah i don't remember saying that......the quote button is used for just that...quote someone.

credentials and a resume make just that.....a person credible.

who are you again.....oh yeah that's right username haithar........who is what?......a person on a forum......hmmm who should i believe??

Tom Bearden with his Master of Science degree in Nuclear Engineering and Bachelor of Science in Mathematic...wait what was that again...oh yeah MATHEMATICS........

oh but i forgot how much you knew about Mathematical Theories.

Einstein said that there was no energy in the vacuum...no mass no energy simple as that where Max Planck said that there was unlimited energy at the Zero-point node.......these two argued it out until einstein began to realize that max was correct and that in Quantum physics we see that Light is something unusual that pulls energy from somewhere else.....IE other dimensions....Light is not a particle nor is it a wave!....it can act as both but light is LIGHT......therefore as you aproach zero point where no temperature and no mass occur there can be UNLIMITED Energy since we do not understand light and it's unknown variables.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

this is by far above any of our heads.

and as far as i see it.

I would trust someone who works in Quantum Physics and with Associates of the Field.

over a faceless internet forum user.

space-time= dont even try to talk like you udnerstand space time in mathematical concepts HAITHAR.

LOOK AT ANY OF BEARDENS ASSOCIATES......a good 80% of them work in the Quantum Physics field.