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OTHER METHOD FOR GENERATION OF BROWN GAS
At today you can found only faraday electrolyzers on market but as you know problem is high amount of energy needed for obtain properly reaction. At this time no more solutions are presents on internet, also Bob Boyce an guru on brown gas production don't have found another way and for low amount of gas produced use an large amount of energy and every the electrolyte inside water including some heat produced. At today I know that one or maybe two companies in the world are working on development on meyer cell. Initially working in tandem with Mike Nunnerley I'm starting project of reactor for creation of ammonia/nitrous oxide, we obtain these molecules in output but that system is composed from many stages. I had long planned to use the brown gas, the feeling that I was eliminated by simplifying the way the various stages of production of new fuel.   The brown gas has always fascinated me, and I have performed many experiments cannot deny that I broke two cells during the experiments. In any case I never had time to do experiments at the university to see what was actually Brown's gas. But today I can tell you with absolute certainty that the brown gas is only "charged water",  to change state from liquid to gas. With the brown gas I solve two problems, the proper mix of water with nitrogen and the other can eliminate the catalyst that emits electrons. The major problem still remained the production of gas. So I got to thinking, in my mind hundreds of readings of Meyer and Puharich and to the concepts of my reactor, all mixed together when all of a sudden I had the right inspiration. Puharich uses water and salt for the simple reason that the only water is "transparent" to radio waves. The water when it is "filtered sometimes"  is a very good dielectric. however the dielectric can be "doped". The dielectric can be used as an good emitter of free electrons, free electrons can be used to create an effect called "electron avalanche", but consider that water is also our source of hydrogen and oxygen then using this method the water dissociates itself. Two images are attached, first is extracted from patent 5,149,407 of Stan Meyer, second new cell in working state. The method I use does not differ much from Meyer the only difference that I used a completely different low voltage power supply and connected differently to the points A/B. I always thought that Stanley Meyer was a genuine genius, perhaps a bit too complicated, probably each of us has a vision and sometimes we think too "complicated" and the best thing is to think simply. Thank you for your attention. Regards Alessandro
   

P.S.
With the informations I have provided above an open mind will be able to build my same cell

Micronic gas can run an engine completely, cogenerator 500kw is based on 20.000cc diesel engine and need every oil for start combustion. For legislative italian laws at this time cogenerators can use only 30% of green fuels as additive the other 70% must be oil or diesel. Attached extract from scientific document on NH3-N2O interaction.

About Patrick alias Iontruster alias Oneminde
 
Inside eureka pdf document is written:So I proposed this new chemical formation to Tutanka (Alessandro) and be hold. He back stabbed me and took all the credit, releasing this material in Energeticforum.com under his alias.
 
These statements are completely false! Him contact me for obtain informations for build and sell reactor but when I have understand that I have immediately cut any contact with him trough skype and also I have written that on energeticforum.com.
Project of Patrick or Oneminde was build an voltrolisys cell for creation of brown gas based on Meyer documents but surely don't have reached the success because this type of person don't create anything just copy .
However I am really disgusted by this kind of people who unfortunately are on the internet and stealing the work of others.
Attached photos are of my system mounted for powered an cogenerator of 500kW.
Mr. Patrick (alias Oneminde on energeticforum.com) please sent also you photos of yours system, you don't have written that are you the creator of micronic gas??
 
Unfortunately for oneminde all remain written on forums, I have just spent two minutes for found these:


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86852
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86877
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86889
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86896

Meyer gas processor creates positive ions not negative ions. Gas processor is the key of meyer process. Attached an extract from meyer patents.. I'm glad to annunce that in the next days I present new water gas stone stove using meyer process inside.

Quote from: qiman on February 16, 2010, 18:22:26 pm

5 gallons per hour - so that is 19 liters per hour. 19/60 minutes = 0.3 liters per minute

As said above... just to express the magnitude of this performance in clearer detail...

that is 2.5 gallons of gas per second at 0 psi
that is 150 gallons of gas per minute at 0 psi
that is 568 liters per minute at 0 psi, with a system running on, less than a few hundred watts.



I don't know what your experiments are about, what results you have, or anything about you, I don't know your education or professional background, but if you want to talk about the water fuel cell technology, lets talk about the water fuel cell technology.



You think the gas production was a cover up for the real secret that was ammonia, well ok.

You are trying to say Stan really used ammonia, so here are the flaws in that

Hydrogen and Oxygen leaving a cell will either be H2 and O2, or monatomic H and O, positive ions, missing electrons, whereby they repel all other positive and neutral atoms and molecules and will not bond to anything.

The monatomic H and O positive ions only occur when you use an Electron Extraction Circuit, and remove the covalent electrons, forcing them to be positive ions and maintain their unstable state.

The only time Stan is using the Electron Extraction Circuit is to set up the Hydrogen Fracturing Process

So before you get into that, we know that H2 and O2 are coming out of the cell, and they are stable, no possible way they can bond with N2.

Nitrogen exists in the atmosphere as N2 and it is extremely stable and non-reactive. H2 and O2 are stable and non-reactive. You will not form ammonia, that's just wishful thinking. Nitrogen has 5 electrons in it's outer shel with room for 3, it forms a triple bond with another N making it one of the strongest diatomic bonds.

We know that the introduction of non-combustible gasses, exhaust gasses, including nitrogen, slow down and modulate the burn rate. You can do this to any burn rate and temperature you want "all the way down to leaves and paper" he says.

Guess what. Ammonia would have it's own burn rate, the same as gasoline has a burn rate, and diesel has a burn rate, and propane has a burn rate.

How would burning ammonia (which wont form anyway) give you a modulated burn rate?

Ok so that's busted.

Now, the Hydrogen Fracturing Process, is performed in two ways, to accomplish the same task. This is the only time Stan ionizes anything involving Nitrogen.

First you can ionize the H and O, and keep them unstable monatomic positive ions, that repel everything. Burning this, Stan gets temperatures over 20,000 degrees. Does he mix the ionized H and O with nitrogen in this process? No...

When he takes it to the car, he does not Ionize the H and O. Ever. Doesn't do it.

He ionizes the Air, which is 21% Oxygen and 78% Nitrogen. This O and N is in the form of O2 and N2 in stable state. To bring that to an ionized state, you will either have O2 missing a few electrons, or monatomic O, positive ions, likewise with N2 missing electrons, or monatomic N, positive ions.

But guess what? N2 is largely transparent to IR and visible light, which is what Stan is using in both of the gas processors, Red LEDs. Is there any indication at all that the Ionization of Nitrogen is a focus in these systems? How on earth are we going to get ammonia? Read the tech brief, he shows a diagram of Oxygen being ionized. Not Nitrogen.

Nothing is stopping you from developing the next fabulous ammonia powered car from ionized Nitrogen and Hydrogen from water and air. But you are out on a limb to try and tell people it has anything to do with the WFC technology.

In part your explaination is correct but you need to consider that.. Brown gas is very reactive gas, is water at gas state .. all peoples burn that but brown gas or just HHO is only an "transition" molecule not an fuel, for create an really fuel you need to convert that (using what meyer have indicated in some paper) using UV irradiation. Water (gas) mixed with normal nitrogen molecule and irradiated with UV field react in strange mode ionizing the same mixture; that mixture passed inside other UV field dissociate water gas creating ammonia and nitrous oxide. You don't need any catalyst as emitter of electrons because the extra electrons are released from the same water gas. Also .. in your explaination you have forget nitrous oxide, N2O is the very important component key for reach THERMAL EXPLOSIVE REACTION as  Meyer explain. Think that... Ammonia and air burns with 8J of energy but ammonia (gas) and nitrous oxide with only 0,07mJ.. spark plug is good enough.     

Quote from: Dynodon on February 15, 2010, 16:27:02 pm

Now for qiman.I don't see anything new in what your saying.But there are some errors in it.First off the nitrogen from ambient air does nothing to the power output of the hydroxy gasses.Yes it allows the burn rate to be adjusted down to equal gasoline.Thats it.It doesn't stop the link up of hydrogen and oxygen,it just slows it down.They still link up.Also the exhaust gasses do the exact same thing,slows down the link up.No change on power output.The only thing Stan states is that the ionization of the ambient air is one way to improve the power output of the hydrogen.But it will take in the order of 20kv for that to happen.If we never find out how to restrict amps and allow voltage to rise,we will never get anything to work.Because it all relies on the one very important thing.

So yes we still do need alot of hydroxy to get an engine to run.Only then can we increase the power output of the gasses.First the gasses then the power increase through ionization.It can only happen that way,and it will only happen through high voltage across the water,in excess of 1kv.
Don

I agree the nitrogen slows the combination of o and h. But seeing that exhaust has only about the
same amount of water as gasoline combustion, for practical purposes, it prevents it. Atomic nitrogen
acts as EEC but you have to see that when atomic nitrogen is created by ionization, when it
recombines in combustion chamber, it releases a lot of heat and light (active nitrogen afterglow).
That emission contributes to the reaction.

I've been able to get several hundred volts sitting on  my cell - in the beginning, 2v was max. I
know someone that has a cell sitting at almost 1500volts. So I don't think restricting current is the
issue, but is also isn't necessary with the right chemistry.

On my tay hee han cell, I could get some gas production with zero current and nothing but
high frequency high voltage... about 50kv impulses going to 2 opposing plates with a 0.5mm gap.
I coated both plates with super corona dope, the xylene HV dielectric...restricts 4000v per mil and
I had 1mm on each plate for a total of 80kv dielectric. Distilled water split, small amounts but it
happened and not small current, I mean zero amperage flowing. The only modification I had to
the cell compared to the simple setup tay hee han had was that I also had a HV capacitor in
parallel with the plates. Anyway, zero current "leakage".

Anyway, atomic nitrogen will bind to hydrogen to create nh3 or ammonia and ammonia is the
densest source of hydrogen - more dense than pure liquid hydrogen. So seeing that nitrogen makes
it possible, I would say that the nitrogen definitely indirectly contributes to power. nh3 with some
atomic hydrogen is extremely combustive.

Im pretty sure that your cell isn't Tay Hee Han cell. Similarry to Patrick Flanagan you need large capacitors not just an metal electrode coated.. the water split for ionization collision , the dielectrics emits electrons!!! I have just modify Patrick Flanagan electron generator into Tay Hee Han Cell.. As you can see you obtain same result. You can use different cell design but in all cases you need use  ONLY dielectric for split water with low amount of power.  You need high dielectric constant more than water creating an high capacitance necessary for created into water high voltage field >15Kv/mm. That system use only AC high voltage/high frequency

The difference between electrolysis and brown gas is remarkable. The faraday electrolysis using filtered DC or battery, and separates the water into H2 and O2. The brown gas instead is just an single molecule generated between the interaction of oxygen and hydrogen, simplifying is water in the gaseous state; this interaction is due to the vibrational state of stress to which they are subjected atoms of oxygen and hydrogen during their formation within the electrolytic cell. This "vibration" can be created mechanically or electronically, I prefer the latter because it simplifies the design of the cell. The PWM that are now for sale on the internet, ebay, etc. are derived for use on electric motors and do not work to produce brown gas as they use high frequencies and have only one pulsed output. The cells on the market whether WET or DRY cell have significant structural problems and safety as a slight back pressure tends to "open" the seals with the consequent release of gas and water with electrolyte. It is therefore necessary to work first to the creation of a cell safe and specific for the gas formation of brown gas.

Your explaination is correct in part.. for obtain REAL BROWN GAS you need an serie cell that support pressure and an adaptive/resonance AC power source low voltage, all in one. Regards

The difference between electrolysis and brown gas is remarkable. The faraday electrolysis using filtered DC or battery, and separates the water into H2 and O2. The brown gas instead is just an single molecule generated between the interaction of oxygen and hydrogen, simplifying is water in the gaseous state; this interaction is due to the vibrational state of stress to which they are subjected atoms of oxygen and hydrogen during their formation within the electrolytic cell. This "vibration" can be created mechanically or electronically, I prefer the latter because it simplifies the design of the cell. The PWM that are now for sale on the internet, ebay, etc. are derived for use on electric motors and do not work to produce brown gas as they use high frequencies and have only one pulsed output. The cells on the market whether WET or DRY cell have significant structural problems and safety as a slight back pressure tends to "open" the seals with the consequent release of gas and water with electrolyte. It is therefore necessary to work first to the creation of a cell safe and specific for the gas formation of brown gas.