Steve

You got to read this doc...

http://www.modularcircuits.com/h-bridge_secrets1.htm

Steve,
 
I was about to to try fets on the positve side and even bought some but got caught up in this iron wire idea.  I just wound another flyback to see if it was just a fluke or I was imagining things.  The one on the right side is new and beats the first one!!
What do you mean by demping stuff inside?  What 2n3055 circuit do you recommend I wire up?  I'm guesing I just pulse it off the existing mosfet driver anyway, correct?
 
kb, danka

Yes, just use the same driver circuit. Maybe keep a resistor between the driveroutput and transistor base.

The Fets i used, seem to have a capacitance inside. Maybe because of the build in diode.
In all cases, it gave resonance between my coils. Not such issues with transistors.

Kb,

About you using Fets, try to use transistors....
Like the 2n3055.
Fets have al kinds of demping stuff inside.
I got the cleanest signals with transistors.

Thank you, KB
 

i understand the skineffects and thats why most coils are made from copper.
But i must agree on the fact that there is almost non info on iron coil inductors.
Thats pretty odd.....

Spintronic, illuminati, found something interesting.

I do have here some insulated iron wire, which i will compare with copper, on an electromagnet.
Just wanna see how different it behaves....

Steve

http://www.edaboard.com/thread222474.html

http://www.electronicspoint.com/transformer-observation-t238359p5.html

 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3905.0;imode

We are all adults here.Sligtly crazy and a little bit of ego's.
If we didnt had those quality's, then we wouldnot have such hobby like this.
And do not forget the fact that writing posts or emails can be interpretated different as that we would like, sometimes......

KB and ST are reseachers who add good things to our quest..
Its amazing that we still learn new things!

Steve

Hi stevie and mr h2o

I can see what your saying, i shall sort something out. All u need is a large enough ferrite core or grain oriented silicon steel core, machine your spools and populate with iron wire. Only the primary is a critical winding and a problem. I will post a few pics of what i am useing and a circuit diagram.
 
Heres a link for some iron wire, its not ideal but works and is cheap (about £2.50 for 40 metres). Garden wire and others like it are a bit naff.
 
http://www.crazywireco.co.uk/acatalog/Iron_Wires.html or the other just posted
 
Pure iron should give best results, but yes i agree it`s a b*tch to find and when you find it the cost is £75 for 5 metres so thats simply not happening for me.
 
Does everyone get the spintronic science as far as meyers technology is concerned?
 
The wfc document explains how the chemical reaction works, not sure it answers your question stevie, the document was released well before meyers death and appears unaltered and would be difficult to alter haveing never been held under national security. Resonance is not used as current restriction in the vic as implied in the patents, it is used to trigger the explosive gas release. The details of the chemical reaction are beyond me 
 
before i clear off the 8xa circuit, if i wind a primary first on each spool (single layer) then on top of each primary wind the other coils, secondary and so on, i believe i have the basis of his older technology, what do you think stevie?

@ Spintronic
About winding secondairys over primary's i can say that that seems to do something. I seen certain OU coils being winded like that. The last i seen was done with cores between the windings. The effect with iron wire would be that the wire it self becomes magnetic. Some sort of saturation.
Its a brand new approach 
Looks like KB already made some kind of prove of concept!

@ KB
Whats this KB? Having some nice results but not sharing any video of it? 

Steve

Quote from: Steve on November 06, 2019, 21:44:39 pm

Recently we learned that the Water Disrupting Spark Plug promoted around 1994 by Stan Meyers was in fact suggested to him by Dale Pond at a conference in Switzerland back in 1989. The idea was you should be able to use Keely's 42.8khz emitted from a spark plug to instantly dissociate the water molecule to hydrogen and oxygen which would then be exploded to drive the piston.

Keely gave a public demonstration in which he placed two drops of water in a cannon, then caused them to explode, launching a cannon ball.  He did this with sound, not an electrical spark.

He had a wire running to the cannon from a metal sphere, and this wire conducted longitudinal sound waves to the water.  This happened when he played three consecutive notes on his violin.  They were the the first three open notes on the treble clef - C, A ,F - in descending order.  (I've seen a picture of the tablature, in Keely's own handwriting, and I've heard the sequence played with proper cadence).  It would be difficult to do this with a sparkplug.  Keely's metal Dynasphere contained a number of metal tubes having resonant lengths.  Properly timed sounds interacted to form a pulse whose surface had the same size as that of the sphere.  This compound frequency sonic pulse was then carried by a wire, to the cannon.

The 42.8 kHz, by itself, isn't going to work.

The picture of his tablature, and other information, was in a magazine titled "Suppressed Inventions" published in the early 1970's.

edit:  If you want to try doing this electrically, at the very least you'll need to incorporate a delay line into the circuit, to facilitate pulse formation.  Edwin Gray used a delay line which was just a coiled up 50 foot extension cord.

Thats very good info, Tek.
Is there a possibililty that you post that tablature?

cheers!

Recently we learned that the Water Disrupting Spark Plug promoted around 1994 by Stan Meyers was in fact suggested to him by Dale Pond at a conference in Switzerland back in 1989. The idea was you should be able to use Keely's 42.8khz emitted from a spark plug to instantly dissociate the water molecule to hydrogen and oxygen which would then be exploded to drive the piston.

Meyer took this idea, claimed it as his own and never credited Dale with the idea. He cannot patent it because it was disclosed in a public place in the presence of witnesses. Needless to say, like all of Meyer's other claims, nothing has come of it.

Injector setup

STEP-UP TRANSFORMER..

NOW YOU UNDERSTAND?

Thanks, Tut.
Now i understand.

Steve

The Alex Petty design in fact is the same of Meyer..

The WFC is an DBD reactor how INNER tube is coated (dielectric) outer tube not.
The circuit connection is OPEN and diode have function of half rectifier only.
Puharich use only RF , Meyer use voltage with heterodyne (two different pulsed frequencies inside cell).
Nothing is magic but all have an sense. You have to understand that ONLY water is grounded not INNER ELECTRODE. WFC is an open cell because electrons stripped have important function inside.   
If you change an little design and material of WFC you increase a lot gas production using electron cascade process. Patrick Flanagan is an better example, him charge an "dielectric from two plates, all is covered from dielectric".   In fact "covered dielectric" is our water and is the ground at the same time. Jean Naudin have covered inner electrode using an dielectric .. Extracted from Naudin web site:

"The center electrode of the WFC v1.0 has been covered with a thin adhesive plastic sheet so has to get a fully insulated cathod"

Naudin circuit isn't good because cathode is connected to ground and in that way dielectric absorption don't work!!   

INNER ELECTRODE MUST BE AC!!

Hi Tut,

Thank you for your patience and your explanations. I really do.
Still i dont have the full picture, i think.

So, i made a drawing...Please your comments on it.

Steve

more links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_barrier_discharge

Hi Tut,

The schematic of Petty is not different then Meyers schematic.
So you are saying that if we have a ground hooked up to the negative innertube, we will see magic?
Do you have such a setup working?
Maybe its time for a little youtube movie as demonstration?

Steve

Yes, don't work because you have the high resistance produce from distilled water. You need an ELECTRON EMITTER inside WFC cell.
Seem that you don't read my words.. dielectric absorption and electron avalanche.. you need to start from here.. You have to understand how work. On internet are presents great examples.. need that you open your mind.. forget Meyer papers for an second. Your mind must be think independently from these papers.

"The force of the free electrons is then enhanced by dielectrophoresis and electrophoresis acting in a nonuniform electric field (positive field) , resulting in the electrons being forced at a high velocity into a small volume surrounding the 'emitter device'. Such a device or configuration can be set up anywhere, on any scale - even inside a liquid providing the liquid is a dielectric."

Do you use a spark gap as electron transmitter,Tut?

Steve

Found some pics.


Is this the type of nitrogen filter you use, Tut?


Steve

HI Fabio,
One diagram is better then some words!
Now you understand?

Thanks for the drawing.
It made it more clear!


And of course, Fabio is asking all the questions that i also had......




Thanks again, Tutanka.


Steve

Alessandro,

The circuits look the same, except for the fact that they connect the electrodes on a different manner.
Electrons flow from negative to positive.
If the goal is to extract free electrons from water, then my first guess will be the drawing with the positive connection hooked up to the outer tube.

Is this the anser?

Steve