Aussepom

 hi just had a quick glance here Les Banks was in our group 20yrs ago cleaver guy.

Hi steve remeber this guy

Puharich then put the new shaped watermolecule into an injector sparkplug device.....

well I looked at this then redesigned it as there were some faults  but I came to the conclusion that all the information was not shown the unit that I designed from this at the time was to hard to manufacture  but I wonder  now with all the new machines now available.
 Hydrogen vibrates at 1420.40057Mhz  they were then and I was as well looking at the harmonic frequencies then you need the harmonic frequency of oxygen that is 261.616hz not that high so to get them to vibrate in unison the harmonic is too high for us  3,780,574,537,611.2hz  or 3.780574 Terahz.
Using the high voltage pulsing will end up with arcing between the plates or tubes this arc is at plasma temperatures so is over3,000C so that is why is breaks down the water molecules’
This brings back lots of memories’. 

ok will try again

Well after all these years no one has come up with a cell to produce HHO Efficiently and lots of gas.
You need to have something that anyone can build and it works, so my take on all this is it is the challenge not to do it to run your car on it, as now electric cars seems the way to go. 
The other thing to me is that most draw a WFC with a positive and negative just like a electrolytic capacitor, well that is where you are wrong it can act as a capacitor but as a non-polarised one.  Then again it is not like a battery, or you would have separate petitions with the two plate and the electrolyte in between, but a battery has a mix of acid and water for reaction to the lead in the plates.
So the WFC the tube type may have one singe tube with a solid rod down the centre.
Two tubes one inside the other.
Then with one tube with the water in it you have a single cell, with just plain water or distilled water, rain water is better than tap water.
The car battery cell with the mixture has a low path of resistance between the plates to some extent.
A WFC has high resistance between the two anodes, the closer you get tem the resistance gets lower, but to be technical with water in this situation you have resistivity.
So you will have to force an ion exchange path for the voltage and current to pass from one anode to the other.
You all have been using a series circuit to try and do this, to me the best way is to do this is to use a parallel circuit.
You can use plates if you want to but this is again much the same challenge. I had what is known as a circular cell I still have the design somewhere but it was for a cell that used powdered KOH mixture.

To work all this out correctly you need the volume of the cell, how many tubes and what type the length and diameters the height and diameter of the cell.
Then you would need to measure the capacitance of each tube while it is immersed in the water.  And if you can the DC resistance, if not then go for the reactance using a meter to do that.  What power supply do you intend to use, and how  you are going to apply it.
As in just positive going square wave 50/50 and at what frequency?  Are you going to try and use a PWM.   
Myself I would use  a push pull circuit I will if you a really interested I will draw up what I think it has been a long time
Ask the question first
What are you trying to achieve?
Do you really care if it is not plain water to get a lot of HHO?
Or is it the challenge just to see what you can or if you can get HHO from water in a big way?
 

hi Steve

  yes in a galvanic cell, it is better to use the 'electron flow'
aussepom

Something else to consider the cell is not an electrolytic condenser (DC) cap. It acts the same as an non polarized capacitor just like an AC cap used on AC electric motors.
So the connection of the bifilar winding,  pos through the diode though one of the windings to the side of the tube or cap then the side of the cap the other tube goes through  the other winding then the diode and back to the neg.  the dots should represent the start of the windings, or end this is too show that the direction of the windings.
Since you are using a winding to produce a sinusoidal half wave AC pulse at a set frequency or vary it with a sine wave gen.
The rising voltage will go through coil in the same form but the current in the coil will slowly charge up like a cap, 5time cycles before full current so there is a lag.
The power will go to the cap and charge up the cap, your cell, as the power curve decreases the current is if it has enough time cycles it will be charged, however when the pulse stops voltage zero, there is then a big discharge of the coils current in the opposite direction of both coils, and not forgetting you power supply coil is still in the circuit. Now the cap(cell) with the water as the electrolyte now hit with the cap discharge and the high voltage spike discharge from both the coils as the electrolyte now acts as a short circuit and breaks down. Well that will depends on getting the balance you need to have a resonant frequency so that the only resistance is in the coils and like any cap if it is hit with too much voltage over its rating it will break down or go bang. In this case the bang is the electrolyte breaking down (the water).  Well that is my way of looking at it.
So the resonant circuit is the power supply coil if transformer is used, and the two coils and your cell it is a series circuit.   My view is that the best resonant circuit for this is a parallel circuit it can be done using the bifilar coils wired across the cell I will try to draw it up. This way you get massive amount of circulating currents through the electrolyte(water)  .         

  brian

Ok  this something else that will really get things going and it is this I think that ravi was doing when we last emailed each other. I am not sure if he did it then was told to quit or else.
Now the metal tubes the ones on the outside were when he started then added the inner ones.
Dave Lawson was also in with our conversations, Dave was really good.
Ok if you only have the single I think it was 9 tubes you can all check anyway.
If any of you are musical in any way then you will understand.
Organ pipes at a fixed length have a set note, frequency.
If you take you cut pipe, suspend it with fishing line, and then hit it with a metal rod. It will ring like a wind chime.
Now when you cut all you pipes to the exact length, you will have to set them up so they all have the same note or frequency.
Then do the same with the inner pipes if you have them, but they need to be a harmonic of the larger tubes. It will be a higher note or frequency, tuning is done by cutting small notches in then or filing the end.
Then the next part is harder, as you will need a transducer, best or a metal tweeter.
Now hang the tubes in the water that you intend to use. Inside the main reaction tank.
 You will then need signal generator connected to the transducer or tweeter.
If the output signal is not strong enough you can put it through an amplifier to drive the transducer.
The transducer needs to be hard against the reaction tank to transmit the frequency into the tank.
The next part is the challenge; you need to generate a frequency so that the tubes just start to vibrate.
Make a note of that frequency.
Now you need to be able to set up a circuit to generate that resonant frequency.
This is the coils or choke in parallel with the cell, you may need a series tapped coil to fine tune the frequency when working.
The cell capacitance may change; try to take a capacitance reading, as quick as you can when the power is taken off the cell.
There will be resistance in the coil, you will need this value after you have the coil wound to get the resonant frequency. XL must equal XC. Then with the resistance of the coil and the voltage, that you are going to apply across the tank circuit of the cell (capacitor) and the main coil. You can tell what the circulating currents will be as the current will be Voltage divided by the resistance.  100Volts and .1ohms DC not the impedance, will then give you circulating current of a 1,000amps.   
So take care even 12volts gives you 120amps.

With the violent action it should keep the gasses moving and not clogging up the very small space between the tubes.
I know there will be more questions.
Remember this was clos tot 20yrs ago.
Will check back later.

hi guys maybe this site will help you.
I was in email contact with him until they raided him and he told me that he has been warned, that was the last elmail that I had from him

Ravi RAJU REPLICAS of MEYER Electrolyzer - WATER as FUEL - MDG 2007
http://www.tuks.nl/Mirror/tesla3.com/wf_meyer_ravi.html

have a read and see what you think  then I will expalin some thing else about 'tuning' the actual tubes
brian

Ok Steve   this is where I an expert this produces pure hydrogen and not HHO, so that a start.

Why  ok an amount of water, as what ends up at the sewage farm, it is  ammonia with water etc, mostly NH3 +H2O  you piss is in there too, CH4N2O + H2O.
Using you piss 95% water H2O and 2% CH4N2O so you piss a lot of hydrogen and but not much oxygen.
CH4N2O and CH4N2 these have very loose hydrogen electron bonding and is easily knocked out of the bond. Then there is the resistance or resistivity of this substance it lowers the water that it is mixed with resistance all good for electrolysis sometimes too well. 
You have to use two types of electrolysis, well two control types due to the high current that can be drawn at first.
H2O+ CH4N2O + CI + Na   but chorine will join with the sodium NaCI
I think that is how it is combined with your piss but is does not matter as the electrolysis starts they all play musical chairs as I put it.
Mainly because the hydrogen electrons are loosely bonded with all of the ‘ingredients’ so with the process started loose hydrogen will bubble of and the oxygen will seek somewhere else to go so it joins up with two Hydrogen and becomes tightly bonded, H2O. some will join up to make NH3 but then more musical chairs, as the NH3 electrons again are hit and dislodged usually what happens two of the hydrogen electrons that are temporary attached to the NH3 get dislodged and seek some where to go most times some bubble up and some again form up with the O so more water H2O once these bond it is hard to get them of the oxygen. However I have had form H2O3 highly oxygenated water, ozone this was all measured.  You can end up with NOx and chlorinated water very high this can be got out with activated carbon.

You start off with a voltage controlled supply and fixed current, later you then change over to fixed voltage and floating current. As the liquid clears the current will drop. So that is if you just want to clean it up. I will try to explain roughly.
In this process the hydrogen attached to the CH4NO2 most of this is easily detached and some will join up with the oxygen, so the oxygen level starts to rise as
However if you want to keep getting Hydrogen you have to piss in the jar again.
Or just get some ammonia.
Hydrogen from this process is explosive very; a few bubbles on a teaspoon will give a mighty crack. You can run your car on this stuff no problems.
Electrode here use two different metals or SS and SS coated palladium if you can get it electroplated on.
The best is expanded metal plenty of room for the bubbles to escape, now what you most likely so see is the hydrogen bubbles when they float up they are charged and will attract mainly any grease or other bits of matter, you may end up with what looks like scum on the top this can be a problem but there are ways to fix it.

Many that want a lot of HHO quickly, and will use an additive to drop the resistance of the water as the resistivity is high. This can be Lye, not nice stuff, or the KOH in the powdered form. You will get a very lot of gas but the quality can vary, with this method the above electrolysis is a must to control power.  and resonant is also the way to go with this an all different approach.
This was a bit long but just ask questions I do not mind.
This VIC coil now that is another story, because some of the ones you see is not what Myer used in that dune buggy.
brian

 sorry about removing the posts but I have just realized this could be very dangerous so if any one has already started looking into this then this is to say I now will not take any responsibility if some continues with any thing from that post   this is to safe guard my self from any prosecution if some get injured
yes should have looked at it more closely.

This is something I have an idea on at 3am  so this is new and as it is on here it is open to all   a way to generate electrical pulses as many as you want and I am not sure yet it may be stated with a small start up 50hz from a transformer and the speed controlled  just by starting and stopping it, it will be a form of accelerator and I think Stan Myer did something similar.

So now you will have to wait until the next part.   

that is a dangerous process and could cost you your life

I do know that magnet feilds will stop  or slow down scaling in water pipes  not sure what hapends   as it has been 15 year since I last look into it, but I do now have a new reason to look into it again  we will see

 hi I do not think that the electron will or can ever get into the Proton of the hydrogen atom,   ie inside the proton is three Quarks held in place by glucon I think it is called.
 you can get the electron out of the orbit of the proton.
I make atomic hydrogen plasma . 

The actual circuit is a series circuit. Basically the choke and the other coil are in series with the cell which is a capacitance. So if you get the values right and a frequency, you should end up with a resonant circuit. The tapped inductor is to fine tune the circuit, you only have half wave rectification pulses, started by triggering the SCR. There is a better way to do this.
However what the object here was to get the circuit in resonance, this then make the current drawn only by the value of the total resistance in the two coils at a resonant frequency
Can you let me know now the value of the choke that you are using, that is the DC resistance, the impedance if you can measure it can be measured, and I would need to know the inductance of the choke.   The cell will have a capacitance as well, with no power on it see if you can get the capacitance it needs to be filled as if you were going to turn it on.

What you can get if this are done in a particular way, it seems that you have 24ohms in the circuit or impedance.
If you did put the choke in parallel with the cell this would make a resonant circuit of the cell and the choke,  so with power applied then of a pulsed half wave would then create a closed circuit around the cell and the choke, and at a resonant frequency there would be high circulating current through the choke and the cell, so for a low input of power you will get a bigger output due to the circulating currents.
The choke and the cells capacitance must be found out, the chokes DC resistance needs to be as low as you possibly can get it this would have large gauge wire, example make sure that the wire that is connected across the cell and the choke are heavy, example, 12v / 0.1ohm is 120amps  at the resonant frequency.
hope this helps Brian