Who has done ANYTHING with success along this topic?
Started by John H · · 39 posts · last reply 28 August 2019
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I think it would be nice to hear...nomatter if it was a good thing or bad in the results. Also how did you do ....whatever it was or are still doing.
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eagle research has done some stuff with browns gas. i do not know of anyone who is burning water ALONE for fuel.
Tom C -
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Stan Meyer took his secrets with him and I once read that the Arab Oil Producers offered 1 BILLION in cash for his patents(s) and that tells you that it did what he said. Of course he refused and was most likely taken out after that with the heart attack device they tried to use on Tom Bearden.
I think the Meyer invention had a small window of opportunity and was complicated to get it right and I also believe this about the John Searle device. It seems that Mr. John Bedini has given us a much larger window for success and a less complicated learning curve, that can also help those interested in building a Brown's Gas generator that is way over 1 COP or even burning water as Stan Meyer did. Last time I checked a car still has a primary and secondary coil system to fire the spark plugs!!!
We shall be finding out as we all progress forward.
Richard. -
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No he didn't. He left hours and hours of video lectures explaining in very clear and simple language how his process works. There have been many successful replications. There are plenty of videos on youtube showing these replications including a vehicle running completely on a basic version of his system.AMPPMEUPP wrote:
Stan Meyer took his secrets with him
If 1000 people each tried to build an internal combustion engine at their house then 999 of them would fail. That doesn't mean that internal combustion engines are some great mystery that we will never know the secrets of. It just means most people are idiots with minimal technical knowledge and skill. -
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I agree with you that he showed the processes but I don't see anyone replicating those processes right now. My point is that if the window of opportunity is small and complicated it is much harder to replicate. (The Bedini SG device is not complicated if you build it as presented). By building it you figure out the process.
If that is not the case then we should have these replications RIGHT NOW. Even Mr. Bedini is not going to tell us everything that he is presently working on and how it works.
Thanks for the reply.
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That's because very soon after someone posts information about their success in replicating this technology they get a visit from the local agents of the global slavery machine informing them to cease and desist immediately.AMPPMEUPP wrote:
but I don't see anyone replicating those processes right now.
R.
This technology is considered a very real threat to the stability of the international slavery system and any research or publication in this area is punishable by death.
Ravi's Water Fuel Cell Suppressed in India -
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Tom C wrote:
eagle research has done some stuff with browns gas. i do not know of anyone who is burning water ALONE for fuel.
Tom C
Japanese water powered car 2 - YouTube -
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Probably one of the best things I've read recently regarding water fuel is an article in the latest "Infinite Energy" magazine. Here is their website: Infinite Energy Magazine
The article is an excellent update on the current state of the research in water fuel tech. Many of you in this forum are probably already aware of this magazine, but if you are not I highly recommend it.
Of note in the article are such things as:
1. Gas production is enhanced by vibrating, cavitating, or forcing the water through the gap between electrodes. Stan Meyer may have been doing this acoustically.
2. There are actually 3 gases produced in brown's gas producing systems. Oxygen, Hydrogen, and an unknown gas that is heavier than hydrogen and air. It has been experimentally separated from the hydrogen, and when ignited it demonstrates all of the energetic properties previously thought to be from the hydrogen. Hmmm...I believe Tesla said the aether behaves like a gas....just thinkin out loud here.... In other words it is NOT hydrogen that is producing the energy.
3. As anyone who has studied Stan Meyer's processes knows, it is POTENTIAL not current that is the key. There are still too many researchers thinking "electrolysis" and trying to do this with boat loads of current. As Stan constantly said "this is not electrolysis". His unit used only 500ma. This is a common thread that weaves through so many of these exotic alternative energy systems. Potential, not current is what is doing the work. In complete opposition to traditional EM theory.
Just a few high points of the article which was written by Moray B. King. My local Hastings book store has this magazine in their magazine rack. If you can't find it in your town you can get it from their website which I linked above.
-Woody -
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bluestix
where do you find info on this video?
they talked about a web site but never named it
K -
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Hey Woody
Maybe that other gas/3 rd gas, was the gas that Joe from Joe Cell in Australia was working with?
Theunis -
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That video is several years old. Those people are probably dead or in hiding.kevin wrote:
bluestix
where do you find info on this video?
they talked about a web site but never named it
K
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Theunis- I have not done much research on the Joe Cell, but I would say that is a distinct possibility.
Kevin- The main guy behind that video (the guy shooting the video) is Fred Wells. He later claimed to be commencing production of units that could be retro-fitted to any ICE powered vehicle. He even sold a few to some poor souls who never received a complete working unit. Here is the PESwiki page that was devoted to Fred Wells' (a.k.a. Fast Freddy) water fuel system, which he called the hydrogen hog. It is a sad story. Many feel he was a scam artist, and while that certainly may be true, it may also be that he was simply intimidated and suppressed out of the business of water fuel. I suppose we may never know for sure.
Directory: Hydrogen Hog by Future Energy Concepts, Inc. - PESWiki
-Woody -
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By the way, Fred Wells was one of those who was thinking electrolysis, and hydrogen. He was dumping 55amps into his fuel cell. If you want to replicate Stan's processes, you cannot be doing it with current!!! That is why he could run the truck for a few minutes, but then had to pull over and allow the pressure to build again. Of course, with the engine not running the fuel cell is drawing 55a from the battery, and before long the battery is dead, and no more gas.
-Woody -
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55 amps @ 12V is only 660 watts. That is less then one horsepower. If that produces enough gas to make the engine turn over then it is easily enough to keep the battery charged. The alternator on my truck can easily provide way more amps then that.Woody wrote:
By the way, Fred Wells was one of those who was thinking electrolysis, and hydrogen. He was dumping 55amps into his fuel cell. If you want to replicate Stan's processes, you cannot be doing it with current!!! That is why he could run the truck for a few minutes, but then had to pull over and allow the pressure to build again. Of course, with the engine not running the fuel cell is drawing 55a from the battery, and before long the battery is dead, and no more gas.
-Woody -
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According to an article on the PESWiki website I linked to in my previous post, the issue was not about the alternator keeping the battery charged while the engine was running. The problem was maintaining the required pressure to sustain combustion. He had two battery systems. One for turning the starter, and one for powering the HHO system. It was a gas issue, not a battery/alternator issue. The gas production was not enough to sustain pressure under continuous use, the engine would stall, and the batteries would eventually die trying to keep it going. I know it does not appear that way in the video, but he had alot of trouble with this very issue, and was one of the reasons the system was under development for so long and never produced satisfactory results.
The question that must be asked is, if the first installation in the Dodge truck was so successful (3,000 mile trip, etc.) as was presented in the video, why could he not reproduce the same results once he got to Square1 and began development of the production version? Either the first video was a total deception, or some kind of suppression/sabotage program was indeed undertaken to quash it. Read the articles on PESWiki about this system and Fred Wells. The whole story is there. The issue remains, as I said before, Stan Meyer's was the most successful system ever developed and he emphasized NO ELECTROLYSIS, and MINIMUM AMPERAGE. 55a is NOT minimum amperage. Stan's current draw- .5a Fred's current draw- 55a. This is not insignificant.
-Woody -
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From the top of the article on Peswiki:Woody wrote:
The question that must be asked is, if the first installation in the Dodge truck was so successful (3,000 mile trip, etc.) as was presented in the video, why could he not reproduce the same results once he got to Square1 and began development of the production version? Either the first video was a total deception, or some kind of suppression/sabotage program was indeed undertaken to quash it.
-Woody
We've not heard from him since around a week after we published this story.
Other then that I see no useful information at the Peswiki link.
While their system was obviously not as well tuned as Stan Meyers it was still clearly not standard electrolysis.
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There is alot of info in many articles there on PESWiki on this. You have to read, and follow links. It is a HUGE page! Yes, Fred may not have corresponded with Sterling beyond that first interview, but that doesn't mean there was no further information on the subject. The story unfolded over a few years with lots of interviews with other people about the progress or lack thereof. I know, as I was following the story from the beginning with great interest. If by "useful information" you mean specifics on his system's design and operation, then yes there is not much there as one might expect for someone who was trying to bring product to market and recover investment. However, if you are just interested in finding out the story behind Fred Wells and that video, the whole story is there. From the exciting beginning, to the disappointing end, with quotes like this one from the page I linked to:
" February 6, 2012
Someone (wishes to remain anonymous) who has known Freddy for many years wrote:
Good morning sir, just wanted to let you know that fast Freddie is alive and scheming in his home town of Prescott, AZ. His is a liar of the highest sort, you'll never see any kind of truth from this snake oil salesman. He has eluded most people he scams, and very few have ever gotten any money back. Run while you still can!"
..a direct quote" I don't know who this guy was, and anonymous statements can be made by anyone, including those trying to discredit these kinds of breakthrough technologies, but that appears to be about the last word on Fred Wells, at least for now. I'm still not willing to completely rule out a comeback with a viable system. If they let him live that is.
We all know you can get good gas production from the concentric SS tube configuration, well at least those of us who have actually built and experimented with it, which I have. You can even use just straight DC and get pretty decent results, but not enough to run a vehicle. For that, the system requires much more finesse, and complexity. There is a reason for Stan's abandonment of that configuration in favor of the "injector/water spark plug" system he was ultimately killed for. That one had the potential to change the world.
-Woody -
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Well it is good to see this thread has life. One thing....anyone HERE done anything? Stan M ,Bob B,etc.. we all have seen their stuff(mostly) but whom HERE has done anything be it a replication or something new? It matters not if you failed or were on the other end.
Stan Meyer's stuff I agree is DIFFERENT in the end results as to where a production based unit is concerned as to the SS tubes. BTW the gas was made in those units right at the exit of the spark plug replacements into the piston cylinder....not before.
John H -
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So I assume nobody has one of Stans injectors to replicate?
he had to make more than a few I would have thought, if they
worked so well.
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Hi dnice,dnice wrote:
I have been studying and experimenting with this for quite some time. I feel the biggest roadblock people have when trying to replicate this is they are building it without thinking outside the box. Many feel that it can be done by using conventional science. But I really believe Stanley, Puharich and Boyce all where tapping into the aether. Bob Boyce has a PDF online which explains how his device worked and he said the same thing. There is a video on youtube of John Bedini explaining radiant spikes and the need to capture them for use. If you look at any of these devices they all use sharp pulses. But are we using the right kind of cores in our coils to create this?? Are we using the right kind of wire to capture it?? Which type works better for longitudinal waves? These are the questions many are not looking into because they feel it can be done with traditional science. Thats my take on it. If anyone would like a link to the PDF im talking about Just let me know. Its really interesting. And its not the Patrick Kelly thing either.
I would like to see the pdf, could you please send it across..?
thanks pal in advance.
Best Regards,
Faraday88. -
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Hi Woody,
I agree with you on that the WFC Cell configuration for 'automobile application has the lacuna in that, when the vehicle is started pre-generated gas is required to Ignite the IC engine, i have no clue or have read anywhere of accompalishing this task, although in one of the news paper article mentions of Stan having used a 'chain of six cylinderical' WFC cells to run a converted vw car.
any comments on this please...????
Rgds,
Faraday88. -
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Hi Bluestix,
There is one major aspect of the Hydroxy gas that most of us fail to understand: the Gases produced by each of the methods of all the electrolytic process vary in the degree of what was ultimately produced by the Meyer process.
if you read Gorge wiseman book BROWN'S GAS 2 he mentions about what is termed as the 'HYPER GAS', i personally belive Stan Meyer produced Hyper Gas and knew what it was and this theory is consistent with even Gorge wiseman describing the Hydroxy (beyond Brown's Gas) as 'Electrically expanded form of Water'.
Best Regards,
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Faraday88 wrote:
Hi Bluestix,
There is one major aspect of the Hydroxy gas that most of us fail to understand: the Gases produced by each of the methods of all the electrolytic process vary in the degree of what was ultimately produced by the Meyer process.
if you read Gorge wiseman book BROWN'S GAS 2 he mentions about what is termed as the 'HYPER GAS', i personally belive Stan Meyer produced Hyper Gas and knew what it was and this theory is consistent with even Gorge wiseman describing the Hydroxy (beyond Brown's Gas) as 'Electrically expanded form of Water'.
Best Regards,
Faraday88.
Faraday,
Here is a link to a website with some videos of Stan lecturing and also running his VW dune buggy with the concentric SS tube unit.
Stanley meyer water fuel cells, hydrogen fuel cell cars, hydrogen from water, water powered car
I think his proof-of-concept unit that he used to demonstrate to the patent office was a 9 tube set unit, and the tubes were pretty long. 19" if I remember correctly. The final injector configuration that he intended to bring to market was the real game changer. It also got him killed. Dave Lawton replicated Stan's unit, although his was a 6 tube set cell and the tubes were shorter.
Here is another link to a site with alot of Stan Meyer info:
Stanley Meyer: Water Fuel Cell
-Woody -
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Faraday88 wrote:
Hi Bluestix,
There is one major aspect of the Hydroxy gas that most of us fail to understand: the Gases produced by each of the methods of all the electrolytic process vary in the degree of what was ultimately produced by the Meyer process.
if you read Gorge wiseman book BROWN'S GAS 2 he mentions about what is termed as the 'HYPER GAS', i personally belive Stan Meyer produced Hyper Gas and knew what it was and this theory is consistent with even Gorge wiseman describing the Hydroxy (beyond Brown's Gas) as 'Electrically expanded form of Water'.
Best Regards,
Faraday88.
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