Woody

Faraday,

Here is a link to a website with some videos of Stan lecturing and also running his VW dune buggy with the concentric SS tube unit.

Stanley meyer water fuel cells, hydrogen fuel cell cars, hydrogen from water, water powered car

I think his proof-of-concept unit that he used to demonstrate to the patent office was a 9 tube set unit, and the tubes were pretty long. 19" if I remember correctly. The final injector configuration that he intended to bring to market was the real game changer. It also got him killed. Dave Lawton replicated Stan's unit, although his was a 6 tube set cell and the tubes were shorter.

Here is another link to a site with alot of Stan Meyer info:

Stanley Meyer: Water Fuel Cell

-Woody

There is alot of info in many articles there on PESWiki on this. You have to read, and follow links. It is a HUGE page! Yes, Fred may not have corresponded with Sterling beyond that first interview, but that doesn't mean there was no further information on the subject. The story unfolded over a few years with lots of interviews with other people about the progress or lack thereof. I know, as I was following the story from the beginning with great interest. If by "useful information" you mean specifics on his system's design and operation, then yes there is not much there as one might expect for someone who was trying to bring product to market and recover investment. However, if you are just interested in finding out the story behind Fred Wells and that video, the whole story is there. From the exciting beginning, to the disappointing end, with quotes like this one from the page I linked to:

" February 6, 2012

Someone (wishes to remain anonymous) who has known Freddy for many years wrote:

Good morning sir, just wanted to let you know that fast Freddie is alive and scheming in his home town of Prescott, AZ. His is a liar of the highest sort, you'll never see any kind of truth from this snake oil salesman. He has eluded most people he scams, and very few have ever gotten any money back. Run while you still can!"

..a direct quote" I don't know who this guy was, and anonymous statements can be made by anyone, including those trying to discredit these kinds of breakthrough technologies, but that appears to be about the last word on Fred Wells, at least for now. I'm still not willing to completely rule out a comeback with a viable system. If they let him live that is.

We all know you can get good gas production from the concentric SS tube configuration, well at least those of us who have actually built and experimented with it, which I have. You can even use just straight DC and get pretty decent results, but not enough to run a vehicle. For that, the system requires much more finesse, and complexity. There is a reason for Stan's abandonment of that configuration in favor of the "injector/water spark plug" system he was ultimately killed for. That one had the potential to change the world.

-Woody

According to an article on the PESWiki website I linked to in my previous post, the issue was not about the alternator keeping the battery charged while the engine was running. The problem was maintaining the required pressure to sustain combustion. He had two battery systems. One for turning the starter, and one for powering the HHO system. It was a gas issue, not a battery/alternator issue. The gas production was not enough to sustain pressure under continuous use, the engine would stall, and the batteries would eventually die trying to keep it going. I know it does not appear that way in the video, but he had alot of trouble with this very issue, and was one of the reasons the system was under development for so long and never produced satisfactory results.

The question that must be asked is, if the first installation in the Dodge truck was so successful (3,000 mile trip, etc.) as was presented in the video, why could he not reproduce the same results once he got to Square1 and began development of the production version? Either the first video was a total deception, or some kind of suppression/sabotage program was indeed undertaken to quash it. Read the articles on PESWiki about this system and Fred Wells. The whole story is there. The issue remains, as I said before, Stan Meyer's was the most successful system ever developed and he emphasized NO ELECTROLYSIS, and MINIMUM AMPERAGE. 55a is NOT minimum amperage. Stan's current draw- .5a Fred's current draw- 55a. This is not insignificant.

-Woody

By the way, Fred Wells was one of those who was thinking electrolysis, and hydrogen. He was dumping 55amps into his fuel cell. If you want to replicate Stan's processes, you cannot be doing it with current!!! That is why he could run the truck for a few minutes, but then had to pull over and allow the pressure to build again. Of course, with the engine not running the fuel cell is drawing 55a from the battery, and before long the battery is dead, and no more gas.

-Woody

Theunis- I have not done much research on the Joe Cell, but I would say that is a distinct possibility.

Kevin- The main guy behind that video (the guy shooting the video) is Fred Wells. He later claimed to be commencing production of units that could be retro-fitted to any ICE powered vehicle. He even sold a few to some poor souls who never received a complete working unit. Here is the PESwiki page that was devoted to Fred Wells' (a.k.a. Fast Freddy) water fuel system, which he called the hydrogen hog. It is a sad story. Many feel he was a scam artist, and while that certainly may be true, it may also be that he was simply intimidated and suppressed out of the business of water fuel. I suppose we may never know for sure.

Directory: Hydrogen Hog by Future Energy Concepts, Inc. - PESWiki

-Woody

Probably one of the best things I've read recently regarding water fuel is an article in the latest "Infinite Energy" magazine. Here is their website: Infinite Energy Magazine

The article is an excellent update on the current state of the research in water fuel tech. Many of you in this forum are probably already aware of this magazine, but if you are not I highly recommend it.
Of note in the article are such things as:

1. Gas production is enhanced by vibrating, cavitating, or forcing the water through the gap between electrodes. Stan Meyer may have been doing this acoustically.

2. There are actually 3 gases produced in brown's gas producing systems. Oxygen, Hydrogen, and an unknown gas that is heavier than hydrogen and air. It has been experimentally separated from the hydrogen, and when ignited it demonstrates all of the energetic properties previously thought to be from the hydrogen. Hmmm...I believe Tesla said the aether behaves like a gas....just thinkin out loud here.... In other words it is NOT hydrogen that is producing the energy.

3. As anyone who has studied Stan Meyer's processes knows, it is POTENTIAL not current that is the key. There are still too many researchers thinking "electrolysis" and trying to do this with boat loads of current. As Stan constantly said "this is not electrolysis". His unit used only 500ma. This is a common thread that weaves through so many of these exotic alternative energy systems. Potential, not current is what is doing the work. In complete opposition to traditional EM theory.

Just a few high points of the article which was written by Moray B. King. My local Hastings book store has this magazine in their magazine rack. If you can't find it in your town you can get it from their website which I linked above.

-Woody