Sonofusion Replication and Research
Started by altrez · · 15 posts · last reply 25 March 2011
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Hello All,
I am starting this thread in hopes to replicate a Sonofusion desktop reactor. I think a good starting point is here:
Bubble fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Directory:Sonofusion Reactor - PESWiki
I have started to build my dedicated reactor and have a $2000.00 budget on this project. My goal is to make this as simple as possible for others to replicate and share ideas an findings.
Any help would be great.
-Altrez -
Glad you have started this
Hi
I am so pleased you have started this thread, it is one of my passions. It is this type of frequency manipulation that I have been working on for many years.
Although most experimenters in this field use frequencies which are just above the audible range, I have found that these can be increased into the Mhz range and in doing so the molecular structures of different molecules can infact be rearanged.
Good luck with your experimenting
Mike -
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Hello Mike!Michael John Nunnerley wrote:
Hi
I am so pleased you have started this thread, it is one of my passions. It is this type of frequency manipulation that I have been working on for many years.
Although most experimenters in this field use frequencies which are just above the audible range, I have found that these can be increased into the Mhz range and in doing so the molecular structures of different molecules can infact be rearanged.
Good luck with your experimenting
Mike
I find it very exciting and something that could lead one down so many interesting paths. Did you ever hit SBSL? I have been looking at taking this in steps starting with tap water / distilled then onto Heavy water and Acetone.
Lots of exciting possibility. I have heard rumors of pea size bubbles that are thought to be over 1,000,000 degrees Celsius.
Thank you!!
-Altrez -
#4 ·
Nice Thread
Exciting thread Altrez!!
altrez wrote:
Hello All,
I am starting this thread in hopes to replicate a Sonofusion desktop reactor. I think a good starting point is here:
Bubble fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Directory:Sonofusion Reactor - PESWiki
I have started to build my dedicated reactor and have a $2000.00 budget on this project. My goal is to make this as simple as possible for others to replicate and share ideas an findings.
Any help would be great.
-Altrez -
#5 ·
Very Exciting
Very exciting to hear you have experience in this area. There are several of us now who have become very excited about the possibilities. Thanks for sharing your information!!
Michael John Nunnerley wrote:
Hi
I am so pleased you have started this thread, it is one of my passions. It is this type of frequency manipulation that I have been working on for many years.
Although most experimenters in this field use frequencies which are just above the audible range, I have found that these can be increased into the Mhz range and in doing so the molecular structures of different molecules can infact be rearanged.
Good luck with your experimenting
Mike -
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Hey,Slovenia wrote:
Exciting thread Altrez!!
Thank you
I am glad you stopped in to say Hi 
-Altrez -
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#8 ·
Moving on
Good to see the HHO discussion moving on. There is a lot more to it than one
limited method. There have been many threads dealing with the HHO topic. Mike's non electrolytic was another one. There seems to be more than one way to skin a cat , so to speak, and its good to see more areas being covered.
Good Luck Altrez
FRC -
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Not sure if you've seen this on OU or not...
I'm not sure if you've seen it or not, but I just posted this on OU.
I figure, Sono-fusion would be accomplished by stacking on various higher frequency amplitudes on each other onto a single standing node. That last PDF you posted on OU was quite informative.
I can wish -- but I think It would take a slightly larger acoustic "focus point" might yeild a similar result, but with multiple pizeo's running at different frequncies. (like the bowl, but perhaps larger?)
From what I've read about keeley, those frequencies are dangerous to play with. Might you be experimenting with those at all? I plan to in the near future, but right now had a setback with that part of the project.
I was recently testing this idea with a basketball (sphere) -- in hindsight I should have calculated the geometries beforehand for the moulding, and also had a more controlled frequency generator for the pizeo.
If you've got the equipment for it, best of luck. I'll be keeping watch.
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We are aiming for 43 KHZ, right? Well, didn't keeley have other frequencies he liked to "stack" on too?
The way I see it, you'd be pushing all those waves into one spot @ 43 KHZ. When they all hit the same node at the same time, they induce the phase change. So how would you get a higher phase change? Higher frequencies would be stacked on within the same harmonic range. This means Sonofusion would simply be the collapse onto one point (or a very small point), but with additional higher/faster frequency amplitudes -- that way when the phase change is complete, you would have a higher resulting change, from the higher energy inut.
I say higher, and not more powerful/stronger (though they may be) -- because higher energy would need to be of a faster osculation than the primary frequency would be.
I am also under the impression that water, or any element for that matter -- would simply be different vibrating frequencies. By stimulating them at ultrasonic frequencies, I think we might be hitting an "undertone" of what the actual vibrating frequency. This would explain why the waves collapsing would induce the phase change. I perceive this, because they are adding power or energy to a much higher harmonic (vibrating rate). (Which, would be much faster than I can currently compare anything to.)
I'm chewing over some thoughts,
==Romo
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Thank you FRC,FRC wrote:
Good to see the HHO discussion moving on. There is a lot more to it than one
limited method. There have been many threads dealing with the HHO topic. Mike's non electrolytic was another one. There seems to be more than one way to skin a cat , so to speak, and its good to see more areas being covered.
Good Luck Altrez
FRC
My goal with this project is to use a very well documented Scientific method for replication an testing. I hope to have enough information and parts over the next month to have this done by summer.
-Altrez -
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Hey Romo,petar113507 wrote:
I'm not sure if you've seen it or not, but I just posted this on OU.
I figure, Sono-fusion would be accomplished by stacking on various higher frequency amplitudes on each other onto a single standing node. That last PDF you posted on OU was quite informative.
I can wish -- but I think It would take a slightly larger acoustic "focus point" might yeild a similar result, but with multiple pizeo's running at different frequncies. (like the bowl, but perhaps larger?)
From what I've read about keeley, those frequencies are dangerous to play with. Might you be experimenting with those at all? I plan to in the near future, but right now had a setback with that part of the project.
I was recently testing this idea with a basketball (sphere) -- in hindsight I should have calculated the geometries beforehand for the moulding, and also had a more controlled frequency generator for the pizeo.
If you've got the equipment for it, best of luck. I'll be keeping watch.
==Romo
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We are aiming for 43 KHZ, right? Well, didn't keeley have other frequencies he liked to "stack" on too?
The way I see it, you'd be pushing all those waves into one spot @ 43 KHZ. When they all hit the same node at the same time, they induce the phase change. So how would you get a higher phase change? Higher frequencies would be stacked on within the same harmonic range. This means Sonofusion would simply be the collapse onto one point (or a very small point), but with additional higher/faster frequency amplitudes -- that way when the phase change is complete, you would have a higher resulting change, from the higher energy inut.
I say higher, and not more powerful/stronger (though they may be) -- because higher energy would need to be of a faster osculation than the primary frequency would be.
I am also under the impression that water, or any element for that matter -- would simply be different vibrating frequencies. By stimulating them at ultrasonic frequencies, I think we might be hitting an "undertone" of what the actual vibrating frequency. This would explain why the waves collapsing would induce the phase change. I perceive this, because they are adding power or energy to a much higher harmonic (vibrating rate). (Which, would be much faster than I can currently compare anything to.)
I'm chewing over some thoughts,
==Romo
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Thanks for the post. One word of caution sound can kill believe it or not. And once you start using amp's and real equipment it can be dangerous. The Military has done a lot of experiments with ultra / infra sonics.
The scary thing is you can build an acoustic weapon for less then a grand.
The bubble in Sonofusion once stabilized an tapped could provide clean safe power. Sonofusion can also provide you with a good neutron source when you start using other types of liquid.
I am waiting on a quote for the Piezoelectric Ceramics. The rest of the stuff I have or have access too.
You are close with your "vibrating frequencies" theory.
-Altrez -
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Here is something very interesting..
"A photon of blue light given off by a single atom carries an energy of 3.5 electron volts. This is a trillion times more energy than any single atom in the tiny bubbles could have gained from the sound waves. He [Putterman] speculates that as each bubble implodes to about 1/100,000 of its original [size] volume, the energy and atoms in the bubble are concentrated to a tiny point."
Very interesting stuff.
-Altrez -
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Update:
I just ordered the piezoelectric transducers from Channel Industries Piezoelectric Ceramics Sonoluminescence Kits Page
Price was $115 plus shipping.
Budget is now $1850.00
-Altrez
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