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Just got my first standard electrolyzer to work. HHO torch is functional

Now that I have the gas to play with, I will experiment with ozonating the HHO, the steam, and refining various metals as I had intended to last year.

More to come...

I do not mean that to be limiting....
But right now, it is 4/12/12...
4+1+2+1+2 = 10 = HM 1
It is the start of a new understanding for me

Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

And so, we might combine this North monopole / simple high voltage generator, with atomized water, or steam -- to acheive the dis-association that I sought to find, long ago....

I say this, because an Ozone generator, can be combined with water steam, or finely atomized water droplets to induce a gaseous state -- the water fuel that "powerme" was trying to share with us all.

MonsieurM, your water heater is very fractal.

It seems, you were always a step ahead in your knowing

Unification Coil Ozone Generator!! Tesla Science!! - YouTube

Ozone generator....
Ozone, instead of regular Oxygen...
O2, converted into O3...

Sounds like the ozone generator works by cancelling the fields out, to make a gravity center, so that oxygen bumps and fuses to other oxygen molecules....



4/11/12 = 4+1+1+1+2 = HM 9
I am only a slower (lower frequency) antenna, than you

Which makes me think about this video....
I wondered how Ed Leedskalinin made his magnets...

It appears MonsieurM and Rodin showed us how...
Marko Rodin Permanent Monopole Magent (biased Poles) - YouTube

This makes me think -- the cadeseus coil makes many "dead centers" where the magnetic fields void each other, and "cancel out"...

If he is making a "Monopole" north; when according to russell North is the gravative half of the magnet....

What would happen if you put that genero-active, compressing gravity center around a few dis-similar di-electrics?

And what if you were to encase that infa-red, or X-ray receiver in that di-electric...?

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The desire to understand what Powerme was discussing a year back, just pinged back to me about the tourmaline crystals for a pyroelectric battery -- or, if I understood how to grow lead sulphide crystals -- that I could attach the same highly sensitive high frequency antennas to a di-electric; using the same focal gravity center that is present in rodin's coil, and the cadeseus coil.

It's funny how almost all of the "supressed" research, and our modern theories dodge around this simple principal of voidance of opposites -- and how the dis-association, and recombination of many (dis-association of water, comes to mind) "OU" devices. The mayans thought that the Zero was highly significant, instead of being a blank "nothing"....

I now understand what must be done, and that because I understand it, I must worthily make myself an example for all to see.

Thank you, my friend
I will share what I now understand
I am only sorry that it has taken so long to reach this point of understanding.

The small single cadeseus coil functions as a "heater", in part due to the current flowing through the wire. I am not so sure, because the coil still does not heat up much after it "shorts out" my frequency generator for five minutes... But with the neo magnets in the center, it heats up quite quickly.

Again I will say, it is not the copper wires which produce the heat with the Neo magnets in the center.

The larger wires I have tried since, have not produced as distinct an effect...



It heated it, but to a lesser degree. I heated the transformer core running the larger coil faster than I heated the water. The water in the large "bierstein" was between 600 ML and 800 ML.

It heated faster when the neo magnets are in the center, than when it was just "shorting" out a "class 2 transformer" (why they had to put a "class" to a 36V, 1 A transformer, I dunno..... )

The transformer heated faster when the magnets were in the center of the coil.

This is with muriatic acid in the water solution.

I have been timid to use Sulphuric acid, until I had a large enough bucket to store the dilluted acid in so that I do not have any spills and can contain the "waste" if this experimentation doesnt lead anywhere...

Good news, the bucket arrived.

Which got me testing a second coil, with muriatic acid again.



And it made me see that again, the effect was not as distinct at the first, at vaporising the water.

This got me to thinking about why the water would heat up when a neo magnet was in the center of a copper cadeseus coil...

Well, chemical composition of neo magnets....
So, Copper and Iron, being opposites -- might void each other to conduct the "extra energy" that is missing from the rodin coil.



Looks like there might have been a reason that was not clear, at first when you presented this MonsieurM.

Perhaps the acidic water, and alkane water balanced each other out, instead of the iron and copper balancing each other out....

Sometimes, Nature winks at you with a flash of inspiration


Thank you for your guidance during this long ride

Most of these experiments did not produce much a result -- I showed these non-results to show you the tools I have been working with. These non-results are not what I wish to call to your attention with this thread.

The result, The cadeseus coil did not heat up when I played a song through it as a speaker. The sound was very faint that was emitted from it. I want to stress that there is no heat from the coils if a sound is played from it, without any opposite polarity magnetic field interefering with the signal from the coil.



When I put a stack of neo-magnets inside the cadeseus coil, it worked just like a rodin coil speaker.



Sound was louder with a full stack in the dead center -- and loudest when I seperated a N/S pole with a graphite pencil. When the area which was seperated but still attracting each other was placed in the cancelling zone -- the sound quality was better, and louder than before.



Pulling the magnets in and out of the coil produced a varying sound signal. This effect was novel, until I noticed that the coil heated up when the magnets were inside the single cadeseus, whereas it did not heat up before. I would not have noticed this, if the water on the inside of the coil did not turn to steam. (see small condensing droplets in this below picture, and steam on the "rodin coil speaker" picture, second pic above)



This water that turned into steam was remaining from being dipped in water, a very diluted muriatic acid (HCL) (approx 2%). Noting the steam, I dunked the coil back into a 1 liter mass of water, and left it in for approx 2-3 minutes. Dipping the small coil into a large water mass did not heat up the water as rapidly as I had hoped -- but it did make it lukewarm to the touch.



While noting that the cancelling region is wrapped around a ferrite core (or neo magnet core), even loosely coupled -- it created heat -- this reminds me (Reversed) of what a microwave magnetron looks like (coil inside the magnetic field for magnetron, and coil outside magnetic feild in this experiment) -- and similarly how it might heat up water.





I suspect that with more winds on the coil or the denser the magnetic field, the stronger the heating effect. My next tests will be working towards verifying this suspicion, and towards increasing the surface area of the coil that is cancelling, by winding variations of the mobius cadeseus coils.
I am not claiming to say microwaves are the resulting reason that the water heats up -- I do not have the equipment to test for that radiation, and thus cannot say. But, if anyone were to follow along, and also try winding a few novel coils to see if they can heat up water with different acidulated water types -- muriatic acid (cleaning agent, sold in 33% concentrations in hardware stores), or sulfuric acid (replacement battery acid from auto shops) -- then we might get somewhere with understanding, not only Felix Erenhaft's Magnetolysis, but perhaps uncovering the missing link between MonisuerM's water heater, and the sonic boiler.

I Hope that it is not too late,

==Romo

With that said -- I would like to bring up some relevant information about the water heater.

Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles




I find this particularly "coincidental", with the recent interest on these forums in the electric feild, in the action when magnetic poles become voided (n/s) each in their respective opposite. This thread is dedicated towards uncovering more about the effect of producing hydrogen gas through magnetic voidance of electromagnets, or permernant magnets (leaving an air gap between the n/s poles in attraction mode).

First, a few "failures"



Plugged directly into the wall, tripped a circuit breaker. Small bubbles formed around the wires at the moment of the spark -- but the current was not sustained. In the below picture you can see the small bubbles -- but I have no before picture to compare it with.




Tested with citric acid, and acetic acid (vinegar) in about 1-2% solution (estimated concentration from percentages on the bottles, plus a calculated ammount of water to make it within this range).

Same mobius cadeseus coil, different power source -- not directly attached to the socket. I ripped apart a small DC transformer -- essentially shorting out the the secondary coils. At the time, I did not realize that the transformer core would get hot instead of actually pushing any current through secondary coils. 9V @ 300 Milli-amps DC output




Bigger transformer -- 24V AC, 1000 milli-amp output



Even with the larger transformer, and putting the load in series instead of as a direct short -- and the 20-gauge wire red/white cadeseus coil -- not a huge ammount happened. Key point, I could tell that the flux was fighting the strongest where the two wires were wrapped around each other (highest surface area being exposed to the opposite polarity).

Here is my Guitar amp signal generator -- took the output leads that would normally connect to the speaker and hooked them up to various coils. This output signal is useful because I have a freeware frequency generator on my computer, and can also synthesize any signal of any hear-able frequency on a program like audacity.

Audacity: Audacity: Free Audio Editor and Recorder



My only complaint is that this power signal from the 30-watt amplifier does not produce a very strong magnetic field, and needs many winds on a thin gauge coil to produce a use-able field of a small size. The same goes with the larger gauge wire -- my future tests will be using a longer length of coil to produce a stronger flux feild for the same signal input.

MonsiuerM, I have hoped to be the person writing this post. I hope to illustrate that what you share, is indeed listened to -- and is being investigated. If for no other reason, the sheer quantity of interconnected information you have shared represents a vast time investment, demands a bit of regonition and respect, even from community "lurkers".

(Reserved space for later edit for linking relevant MM posts)

Yes, he is telling us tht water when in the form of steam, where the highest surface area (Read: Smallest droplet possible) is exposed to the "ionization" voltage field. We have also disguised a similar incredible fuel production method by disguising its name in literature such as "Dielectric Barrier Discharge" -- but is essentially the same plasma discharge area breaking apart the water.


Combine a water heater, a tesla turbine, and use this ionization effect, and you have an on site, low-energy HHO generator.

This was introduced to me by "powerme", who also claimed to use the same high-voltage breakdown effect in zno nano crystals. As far as I know, no-one has used the crystals effectively -- but that information is still out in the open.

Do you want a link of someone else saying the same thing I am? I strongly encourage building it

==Romo

Spot on, as usual, MonsieurM.

It seems that with boron in the tourmaline, it gets very compact. Compacting is a way to make more efficent... I bet if someone could read the spectral emission lines of different through their electric effects (colors) and see it like a jigsaw puzzle they could see how different crystalization phases would lock up...

Odd synchronicity, Isn't Aren't the magnesium silicates being looked at very closely in bedini's crystal battery thread? I remember bedini briefly talking about his "ionic crystal amplifier" in his transmutation dvd... Ever since then, I've thought his crystal battery seemed awfully similar.

I though that the boron position was interesting in the crystal structure.

I am suggesting, with that last post -- that "degrading", or dis-assembling can be due to a change in electric potential. Think about it like changing a "pressure" in half the baloon -- sometimes the altered surface tension induces an expanse in volume.

"Purification" or "Ozonation" is an extreme degree of the application of dis-assembling bonds with electric pressure.

I also see a co-relation between a "vortexing" of water through a North Magnetic Stress point and the surface tension of water -- an assumed increase in the hydroxyl ions in the water -- and the electric condition present on the surface of the tourmaline crystal.

It is interesting, because this electric condition, while it could be used to degrade, might also be produced by the cancellation of magnetic vectors. Does this tickle anyone about putting magnets on fuel lines, to reduce surface tension?


I am supposing If you are creating some hydroxyl ions where magnetic vectors cancel, while ice freezes -- you might be able to create hydroxyl ions alongside the tourmaline and silicone dioxide if you rotate the fluid, or rotate the magnetic field....

Above was stated, that pyroelectricity is not due to thermal energy directly, but instead by distortion of the thermal expansion of the crystal. I see, The thermal expansion makes a bigger "asymmetry" in the crystal lattice -- Which means, that at room temperature, there should still be residual distortion.

If you shorten the size of the crystals to be "resonant" at a frequency which is bombarding it -- you make its natural inhalation and exhalation rate fall in-phase with the thermal vibration which is supplying its energy.

Another way to describe coherence in energy transfer.

If anyone is "out there" with me, you can change your breathing to be a harmonic of the Schumann resonance....

US7721719 - fuel activation of methane gas using tourmaline.pdf

Air purification:
US20100186593 - air purification.pdf

Water electrolysis:
US20020027070 - water electrolosys.pdf

To summarize, the inventor of the "permernant electrode" was sure to state that even though high voltage will polarize the tourmaline, he was not creating an electret. Seems to me like he's just describing orienting the tourmaline, so they all discharge along a similar axis.

A "preferred" matieral was "Rayon" -- a lower resistance value than the tourmaline itself.
This novel suggestion has applications in the clothing industry -- having tourmaline in the cloth fibers. Perhaps he was just suggesting that fiber sheets which produce hydroxyl ions in water, might not be used as a water purifier of sorts...

If the tourmaline were suspended in something with a lower resistance, the energy would see that as a "ground" out.

Carbon is used in another patent -- carbon nanotubes specifically...
Perhaps, silicone dioxide...?

Tourmaline and silicone dioxide would allow the energy to be transported along the grain boundaries....
Perhaps that's another way to look at the "skin effect"...
Two parts of MM's recipe....

==Romo

Again, the patent, Permernant electrode is listed above...



"Permernant electrodes" = pyroelectric battery (perhaps room temperature)



The patent goes over making an electret....

Allright, so say you have bigger chunks of tourmaline. You have the abillity to have cleaner water, I'd think that's good for the skin... HHO gas has medical properties, that also function similarly....
the gas can permeate the skin, and has some good effects on the immune system. Hydroxyl ions might also work if they are small enough.

What else can you do with some tourmaline rocks?






Say Whaat? You can crush them up and they get smaller, but retain their pyroelectric properties, and "permernant electrode"?

So the big crystal has only so much surface area.... Making smaller, nano-sized crystals might be acheiveable with....




It just turns out there is a patent, about the production of the permanent electrode...

This is all from the

"Tourmaline and water" pdf linked above...









Also in that PDF, they say using a classwash ball with tourmaline inside it can work as a non-chemical laundry detergent...

What a "classwash ball" is.... I didn't know
Classwash - Balls to wash without detergents in the washing machine

The key things I notice, is the water breaks up into smaller "clusters" -- some of those clusters are hydroxyl ions...
(if it were a fractal antenna, smaller clusters would be a "higher frequency", right?)

As I compare these characteristics of slightly ionized water from tourmaline -- I think back to my wine-bottle spinner... The water had less surface tension, and for some reason after drinking it, I felt "more hydrated"...

What would the "North stress point" have to do with surface tension of water? (I think that is a hydroxyl ion...)

I'd imagine that larger tourmaline peices would be required -- but if you are washing water against those "classwash balls", there is a lot of surface area sweeping past the tourmaline rocks.

If the water was warmer it'd heat up the rocks... Pyro-electric, I'd also imagine that the rocks would have a stronger electric charge....

I also know, instead of aluminum -- collidal silver has antibacterial properties....

Black tourmaline is Schorl...
Tourmaline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Tourmaline, responds to infared...



Granite....?





==Romo

I see the moonstone diffracts into blue light. Blue, is associated with "violet", and hence, one step further says ultra violet might also behave the same way, but out of our visible spectrum.

I see that the orpiment transmits infared.
Orpiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see that the tourmaline is pyro-electric. It converts Heat (infa-red) into an electric charge.

I see Silicone dioxide is a pizeo electric. It flexes mechanically with the strain of an electric charge.

My idea here, is that Depending on what ratio's of each powder I could mix together, it could make the crystal structure step-down the frequency of ultraviolet, into an electric charge.

I'm not sure if the silicone dioxide is an intermediary dielectric, or will flex in response to the step-down of photons and vibrate. If it vibrates, or produces an oscilating electric potential, it might be useful suspended in a dielectric, like ice. In that case, grounding out the ice at two different points

Part of what got me interested, was MonsieurM's crystal battery recipe...





So, Let's compare the papers and patents, and see if MonsieurM's suggestions weren't similar....

==Romo

I would like to start a thread about tourmaline as a pyroelectric battery.

I would like to begin by drawing some attention to some files I've found on the internet -- I would like to review some of these files, to see what it might bring as far as "construction plans" for a mineral battery.

Here are the files:

Background of industrial use of tourmaline:
Backgrounds for the Industrial Use of Black Tourmaline Based on Its Crystal Structure Characteristics - Ferroelectrics - Volume 377, Issue 1.pdf

Research encouragement:
Research encouragement - Alternative Energy Research.pdf

Physical properties of tourmaline
Tourmaline Bibliography - Physical properties of tourmaline.pdf

Permernant Electrode
US5601909 - tourmaline permernant electrode carrier.pdf

Mineral battery:
Tourmaline and water.pdf

Tourmaline and water:
Tourmaline and water.pdf

Anticancer water:
US20100233071 - anticancer water.pdf

Some of these files were a little hard to find -- some were through a google search for "industrial uses of tourmaline" or typing in "tourmaline" into google patents....

Hope we all can learn something here

==Romo