Running gasoline vehicles off water
Started by inventionmaster · · 15 posts · last reply 13 May 2013
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A project I worked on a couple of years ago. I'll share any and all info on this project. -
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Since this project is like 2 years old I'm pretty much completely open about it.
Anything you want to know just ask and yes it did work. There was so much conspiracies surrounding the possibility that I developed my own theory (2 years ago) and it proved nearly perfect. I'm not trying to sell anything about this particular project so if you think it's fake then just look the other way however if you are interested in the tech and real possibilities of running vehicles off water and things I personally learned from it with my own experiments and designs then welcome
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Hi inventionmaster,
How is your system different from a standard HHO system on many cars today? Are you are claiming that the car was ran 100% off water?
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Alt guage
Hi IM, In the photo of the gas gage , the alt gage is reading around 10 volts.
Does your system require a lot of power?
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Sure and no offense to anyone but I consider not all but most HHO devices out there to be complete garbage. No offense to anyoneSilverToGold wrote:
Hi inventionmaster,
How is your system different from a standard HHO system on many cars today? Are you are claiming that the car was ran 100% off water?
Can you tell us the basic theory behind your system?
When I was a kid I did kid experiments. Now that I'm an adult I do adult experiments and if you or I make a mistake while doing adult experiments it can prove to be lethal.
How I performed the test:
The vehicle sat in the driveway out of gas for about a week. I decided at that point that instead of putting more gas in it I should go ahead and test my theories surrounding the whole HHO thing. I spent like a whole week prepping the plates and preparing for the test and when I was like half way done with it I became impatient and hooked a long hose to it and into the intake connected to the engine but before I did that I tried and tried for like 10 minutes to crank the vehicle but it would not crank because it was out of gas.
After trying to crank more than 15 times I was confident enough to test. I powered up the device and heard the many HHO bubbles floating to the engine. After about 4 minutes I was like "OK I'm ready" and I was scared because at that moment I was not sure if it would blow me up or not but in the name of science and engineering I turned the key.
To my amazement and to the amazement of witnesses it started as if I had just filled it with premium gas. When I revved it I never heard it sound so powerful.
There were some changes I made to the vehicle in order to increase my chances of success.
1st. Upgraded the alternator to a 300 amp.
2nd. Upgraded the battery to a deep cycle marine battery with 1150 CCA.
3rd. Hooked up some heavy gauge wires.
4th. Drilled a decent size hole into the intake so the HHO could get in.
5th. Prayed that the generator (HHO) would not blow me up.
This HHO stuff is super dangerous. Once I was wondering if my machine was as powerful as my calculations predicted and I tested it the most dumb way possible. I took a lighter and lit it at the input and flames engulfed it along with a huge pop plus it was tested indoors
and once I forgot to turn off the HHO generator after turning of the engine and the HHO had accumulated all around the vehicle and one spark could have blew up the vehicle and myself into like allot of peaces.
After surviving stupidity
(and further modifications) I found a way to produce 40 parts hydrogen and 5 parts oxygen. This means that there is so little oxygen and so much more hydrogen that the hydrogen actually does not burn until it mixes with more air. It very rarely ever backfires and even when it does the device will never explode because what's coming out is not too far from being pure hydrogen.
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Only about 80 ampsshylo wrote:
Hi IM, In the photo of the gas gage , the alt gage is reading around 10 volts.
Does your system require a lot of power?
shylo
that version will not work without vehicle upgrades though
Although I do have some far more efficient theories
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OK the vehicle will start and idle off of it but at the time I have never did a test drive (no tag)
The system is a 4 generator design and each generator (HHO) is meant to be set at around 10 or 20 amps. I'm pretty sure that four generators would be enough to completely get rid of the gas tank. I had theorized (after doing some calculations) that just one generator should be more than sufficient enough to start and idle the engine and that theory proved correct however at the time I ran out of money and could never afford to build the full 4 generator system.
Regardless just one generator is efficient enough to start and idle the vehicle while it is out of gas. Even though that project was never fully completed it's still something that worked far better than expected. -
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Nice work. Now that I'm seeing some pictures and some examples of how you innovate (I noticed the rubber plumbing 4" to 2" ? pipe adapter) and your box of wiring and switches your self running generator in the other thread seems even more real. For a minute there seeing that box of switches I flashed back to thinking I was looking at John Titor's Time travel controls.
Did you use a pre-built PWM unit or build your own? Frequency? Right now I'm looking at George Wiseman's gas vaporization plans (which I bought) as he says it is even more efficient than using HHO to supplement gas. But of course not more cost efficient than running off pure water with no gas. -
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Turbo Charge it?
Hello Inventionmaster,inventionmaster wrote:
OK the vehicle will start and idle off of it but at the time I have never did a test drive (no tag)
The system is a 4 generator design and each generator (HHO) is meant to be set at around 10 or 20 amps. I'm pretty sure that four generators would be enough to completely get rid of the gas tank. I had theorized (after doing some calculations) that just one generator should be more than sufficient enough to start and idle the engine and that theory proved correct however at the time I ran out of money and could never afford to build the full 4 generator system.
Regardless just one generator is efficient enough to start and idle the vehicle while it is out of gas. Even though that project was never fully completed it's still something that worked far better than expected.
Great excellent work!!...and it looks simple to replicate.
Now, did You ever tried to set vehicle at Mechanical Load by shifting to Drive/Gear while stepping on brakes...and accelerate it?
This simple way, you would have tested the engine on load, not just idling, without moving.
Another question is:
Since You wrote before:
If it Exhaust such high Hydrogen levels...wouldn't be a good idea to add a Turbo Charger in order to Cool it, Compress it and Inject it back through a Plenum Pipe to Inlet Manifold?I found a way to produce 40 parts hydrogen and 5 parts oxygen. This means that there is so little oxygen and so much more hydrogen that the hydrogen actually does not burn until it mixes with more air. It very rarely ever backfires and even when it does the device will never explode because what's coming out is not too far from being pure hydrogen.
I believe this way the , not burnt, exhausted Hydrogen gets Recycled , saving electrical draw and usage of Generators.
Why didn't you keep developing this System further on?...lack of funds?...Or did you get to complete a driving vehicle?
Regards
Ufopolitics -
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Nice work, inventormaster! Seems you've taken my advice (photos and all.) -
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Precious H2O.
Hello everyone, i don't belong here, but just had to put my 2 cent's worth in.
There are a lot of dedicated and honest people working on this technology, but in the long run, do we really want to substitute using gas for using another precious substance? WATER?
I'm sorry i just don't get it!
Regards Cornboy. -
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The Energy Non-Crisis- Lindsay Williams -Truth about Oil and Oil prices - YouTubeCornboy 555 wrote:
Hello everyone, i don't belong here, but just had to put my 2 cent's worth in.
There are a lot of dedicated and honest people working on this technology, but in the long run, do we really want to substitute using gas for using another precious substance? WATER?
I'm sorry i just don't get it!
Regards Cornboy.
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Hi Duncan. In respect to the idea of water being recycled by the planet I beleive you are absolutely correct.
However if it is salt water or polluted it does not do us that much good.
In the area where I live there are ethanol plants through out the region and the people that live in the surrounding areas are having their wells go dry.
The same thing is happening around these big plants that package bottled water. (Don't get me started on that one)
In the southwestern US they have been irrigating since the dust bowl from an underground aquafer that was created at the time of the last ice age and is quickley running out.
There are probably many more examples around the globe.
With that said I have a good well and if I could I would probably run my car on water if I could figure out how. -
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Quite right Zardox .. There are huge area's of the world suffering horribly for the want of fresh clean water , The natural state of affairs is being radically altered. Using fossil based fuels is having a disastrous effects on the morals of this world quite apart from very evident practical effects you note. The truth is the fact that totally free energy is available was discovered by Tesla nearly a 140 years ago. Because he didn't understand it It brought the first High voltage A/C grid system to its knees . Killing operators and causing explosions which were not understood . It took a hunch back German dwarf Steinmetz to mathematically resolve the disaster.Zardox wrote:
Hi Duncan. In respect to the idea of water being recycled by the planet I beleive you are absolutely correct.
However if it is salt water or polluted it does not do us that much good.
In the area where I live there are ethanol plants through out the region and the people that live in the surrounding areas are having their wells go dry.
The same thing is happening around these big plants that package bottled water. (Don't get me started on that one)
In the southwestern US they have been irrigating since the dust bowl from an underground aquafer that was created at the time of the last ice age and is quickley running out.
There are probably many more examples around the globe.
With that said I have a good well and if I could I would probably run my car on water if I could figure out how.
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I designed and built my own PWM and everything else. After reading so many reviews on the Internet about the stuff being a scam I decided that I would have a better chance of it working if I built my own design from my own theories. Even though it worked I had to quit after I ran out of money but not before getting extremely promising resultsewizard wrote:
Did you use a pre-built PWM unit or build your own? Frequency? Right now I'm looking at George Wiseman's gas vaporization plans (which I bought) as he says it is even more efficient than using HHO to supplement gas. But of course not more cost efficient than running off pure water with no gas.
I think the chip I was using was like a LM324 op-amp and some high amp transistors and a few other things. I'm not trying to hide anything on this one. It's just that I have not worked on it in the last 2 years because of financial difficulties. Even so this project was so much fun and I plan to fully complete it when I get a chance to do so.
Just one HHO gen was enough to start and idle the vehicle and 3 more was to be needed in order to not need any regular gas ever again. One day (when I can afford to do so) I plan to build at least around 7 smaller HHO generators, run them each at lower power settings, and program a cpu chip to control them along with the engine itself. I plan to ditch the vehicles current ECU and build my own (after extracting all of the timing info).
If I ever make any good money I plan to build a totally self efficient vehicle that will power itself (already have some promising designs in mind) but this particular topic is about HHO and engines.
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