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Started by Armagdn03 · · 15 posts · last reply 8 January 2010
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This is also the bulk of the process involved in the "room full of tuning forks" analogy, or the radio tower with infinite crystal radios. They will feedback to the source, this can be experimentally shown, however the process leaves one with excess energy.
YouTube - Maximum transmission point
YouTube - Evolution of the Eccentric Transformer
It was later discovered that one needs to isolate either the capacitive or magnetic elements in order to have the purest experiment.
YouTube - evolution 2.wmv
I have heard at more than one time someone in a youtube video create a wireless power transmission device and ask Dr. Stiffler to comment on why it was supposedly doing the same thing as a SEC circuit. 99% of the time it is not doing the same thing. SEC technology is an ultra-wideband oscillator with a huge harmonic range. Most of the time what they are probably referring to is the effect described here, this is not to say that eccentric transformer action does not come into play in some SEC technology.
One of these videos also gives a possible explanation to the Kapanadze patent and videos. -
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Hi Andrew,
Thank you very much for these posts
I'm glad I did the experiments with my SEC cubes. Your explanations fit nicely with my observations. I think you are right my SEC cubes are some kind of hybrid. I have seen both the wide band and the capacitive transformation using differently sized spheres.
I have had this in my head for some time, and I really feel some pieces has now been added to the puzzle.
Although I have not responded much to your helping hints previously, your advice has not been forgotten.
Please bear with me, I'm still a newbie in FE. It is now just over 2 years since I got awakened by a YT video about Stanley Meyer.
But your advice made me realize, that I needed some equipment to do some more experimentation, Thats why I started my running thread, as my need for experimenting equipment has lots in common with much other stuff in this field. I also did it to provide some help to h20power & friends, as EE's are not an excessive entity here, alt least not regarding providing practical help.
So I do an attempt to make some easy to use PWM controllers, where we have the possibility to add closed loop regulation, when we (hopefully) arrive at something useful and flexible for a broad range of experiments.
I will follow your thread, so please keep up the good work, and your very clear explanations ease the digestion of this subject a lot.
So please continue even though you get nearly no feedback. Now I only get feedback from bussi04, and sometimes I feel I could as well communicate directly.
But IMO the larger picture is about trying educating many, so they can spend more time experimenting instead of fighting some electronic control circuits necessary for the experiments.
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Thank you Eric for your encouragement.Tecstatic wrote:
Hi Andrew,
Thank you very much for these posts
I'm glad I did the experiments with my SEC cubes. Your explanations fit nicely with my observations. I think you are right my SEC cubes are some kind of hybrid. I have seen both the wide band and the capacitive transformation using differently sized spheres.
I have had this in my head for some time, and I really feel some pieces has now been added to the puzzle.
Although I have not responded much to your helping hints previously, your advice has not been forgotten.
Please bear with me, I'm still a newbie in FE. It is now just over 2 years since I got awakened by a YT video about Stanley Meyer.
But your advice made me realize, that I needed some equipment to do some more experimentation, Thats why I started my running thread, as my need for experimenting equipment has lots in common with much other stuff in this field. I also did it to provide some help to h20power & friends, as EE's are not an excessive entity here, alt least not regarding providing practical help.
So I do an attempt to make some easy to use PWM controllers, where we have the possibility to add closed loop regulation, when we (hopefully) arrive at something useful and flexible for a broad range of experiments.
I will follow your thread, so please keep up the good work, and your very clear explanations ease the digestion of this subject a lot.
So please continue even though you get nearly no feedback. Now I only get feedback from bussi04, and sometimes I feel I could as well communicate directly.
But IMO the larger picture is about trying educating many, so they can spend more time experimenting instead of fighting some electronic control circuits necessary for the experiments.
Eric
Right now, I believe its current embodiment is not all it could be. For example, placement of the top load changes the frequency of the resonant structure by about 10 %, which is pretty bad. This means that the rest of the resonant action in the capacitive end of the spectrum is happening within the coil and running a neon along the length of it will verify this. In order take it to the next level, one would need to have an inductor with spaced windings leaving as much of the capacitance as possible within the topload. This also will increase the Q of the circuit, as you are removing un wanted parasitic capacitance.
In order to get a good inductor one would need a large-ish diameter coil with spacing for the windings. If anybody has a lathe that could turn some PVC with a helical grove for windings, I would be really grateful to see if something like this could be made.
There are dissadvantages to taking the capacitive route, mainly that the capacitive end of the spectrum interacts heavily with biological systems, and hence biological systems being primarily water, act as a load to the transmitter. This means that you the inventor can detune the system, and dissipate some of its energy in you!
It would pay to try and accomplish the same transformer action via inductors, similar to what was displayed by MIT with their wireless transfer device several years ago. -
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I agree with tecstatic, do not let the lack of feedback discourage you.
When new advanced theories are presented, we sometimes do not get it immediately, but it remains in our minds anyway.
We might not find something to say at the moment but your work is not wasted, far from it. Sometimes I go back to read old threads that I didn't quite understand at the time, but later after having absorbed new knowledge from other places, my mind begins to make the links...
Porbably the majority of the readers on technical forums are silent, they're just learning... for the moment.
Your theory about the optimum distance between coils could be one of the keys to optimising Smith's and Hubbard setups.
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Armagdn03, what size diameter, length and threads per inch do you need ? I may be able to make this up for you.Armagdn03 wrote:
Thank you Eric for your encouragement.
In order to get a good inductor one would need a large-ish diameter coil with spacing for the windings. If anybody has a lathe that could turn some PVC with a helical grove for windings, I would be really grateful to see if something like this could be made.
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WOW! that would be fantastic, I would compensate you of course. The larger the diameter the better, I usually can only find around 4" pvc at the hardware store. Let me take some measurements and see what might work.dragon wrote:
Armagdn03, what size diameter, length and threads per inch do you need ? I may be able to make this up for you.
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I have been thinking about how to replicate the coils used by DrStiffler.Armagdn03 wrote:
Thank you Eric for your encouragement.
Right now, I believe its current embodiment is not all it could be. For example, placement of the top load changes the frequency of the resonant structure by about 10 %, which is pretty bad. This means that the rest of the resonant action in the capacitive end of the spectrum is happening within the coil and running a neon along the length of it will verify this. In order take it to the next level, one would need to have an inductor with spaced windings leaving as much of the capacitance as possible within the topload. This also will increase the Q of the circuit, as you are removing un wanted parasitic capacitance.
In order to get a good inductor one would need a large-ish diameter coil with spacing for the windings. If anybody has a lathe that could turn some PVC with a helical grove for windings, I would be really grateful to see if something like this could be made.
In a lathe you make a cylinder to wind the coil on, and with centering holes both ends.
Then you go to the milling machine and make 4 axial "tracks" (i guess I need the right word here) the same size as the 4 plastic strips fixating the coil.
In addition you extend with other "tracks" so you can fit in a square rod with non-parallel sides. Using screws to tighten the rod, it can be used to hold tight the plastic strip for fixating the coil. The plastic strips are "buried" about 2/3 in the cylinder.
Having done that for all 4 strips, you go back to the lathe.
Here you use a cutting tool with a width a little less than the wire diameter for the coil.
Setting the lathe for making threads with the right advance per revolution, you can now make the slices in the 4 fixed strips, just like you were making a thread.
Then you wind the coil in the thread slices, the coil stays put because of the tight tolerance in the slices.
By pre-adding 4 thin removable plastic sheets next to the strips, it should be possible to remove the coil from the cylinder. Need I say the fixating rods must be longer than the coil for access to loosen the screws.
I have a friend with a machine shop, so when I have finished my SW I have considered to make my own coils.
Using this method, you can make the coils exactly as needed.
When I was young I worked several years in a machine shop, and with a bit of refinement to the above idea, especially the removal of the coil, I consider this doable.
Maybe you have some good suggestions for the coil data ?
I can confirm this. I had some success having a nice output, unfortunately I did not feel well for a week. The key to avoid this is to have one or more resonant and loaded receivers so they collect the energy better than your "sphere" head.There are dissadvantages to taking the capacitive route, mainly that the capacitive end of the spectrum interacts heavily with biological systems, and hence biological systems being primarily water, act as a load to the transmitter. This means that you the inventor can detune the system, and dissipate some of its energy in you!
Do you have a link for that ?It would pay to try and accomplish the same transformer action via inductors, similar to what was displayed by MIT with their wireless transfer device several years ago.
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Eccentric transformer theory
As stated by other members please do not assume that others are not interested by their apparant lack of replies. Your new way of thinking has me very interested in the development of this thread, and I will be visiting this site often to learn about these new ideas, I hope I will be able to contribute. I have ,what Patrick J kelly would call,a primative machine shop,which contains lathes, milling machines,bandsaws, hydraulic 30 ton press, facilties for sheet metal work upto 16 gauge steel, also facilities for welding (stick) and working hot rolled sections upto 1/4" thickness.My electronic facilties includes , scope 50MHz.Sig gen 514 MHz, Counter 10 digit by HP, and many other instruments formerly used in servicing radio and TV, some I might add dating back to the 50's!
So if you need an instrument you have just finished boxed up, I can do that.Or if you want an parallel or series LCR circuit swept, to disclose it's responce curve, I have the instruments to do it.
But , in spite, of having all these facilities, machine shop and electronics, I am still learning, and wish to learn more, especialy from experts as yourelf and others on this remarkable forum.
Thus I say please keep developing those ideas.
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The Turn Of The Century Electrotherapy Museum Tesla Library
this would be a nice inductor, though you could do without the bifilar, in fact it would detract, but the same method of turning the core would be fantastic. -
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I'd have to make up some adaptors for any size I did, the maximum length would probably be in the 2ft range possibly a little longer if needed. I'm not sure what is available in the diameters here locally, give me a rough diameter to shoot for and I'll do some calling around.Armagdn03 wrote:
WOW! that would be fantastic, I would compensate you of course. The larger the diameter the better, I usually can only find around 4" pvc at the hardware store. Let me take some measurements and see what might work.
What are your limits in terms of size?
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@Armagdn03
I guess what you described in the first post is exactly what Core of the physical effect discovered by Andrey Melnichenko is doing?
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Absolutely not! I take this quote from the text given,nilrehob wrote:
@Armagdn03
I guess what you described in the first post is exactly what Core of the physical effect discovered by Andrey Melnichenko is doing?
/Hob
"Free magnetic field Bi2 does not form flux linkage with magnetizing wind. The electric energy source does not spend any energy on free magnetic filed formation. Field Bi2 does not come into the formula of work onto magnetisation.
All the electric energy costs in a wind are restricted (source current can not use more!) only by those magnetic energy which establishes the connection with magnetisation wind. Field Bi2 and magnetic energy connected with it appears absolutely for nothing without additional energy cost."
In my theory, there is a disconnect, but it is not 100 percent. There definitely is back talk as you can see by my maths, graphs, and descriptions. I would be very impressed indeed if he can say that the field of "bi2 does not come into the formula" and would say this probably means the gentleman has not completely done their homework. And key in this theory is the balancing point by where field induced and field returned per lenz like reaction are situated to return most power. -
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@Armagdn03
Sorry if i express myself badly i usually do,
i'm not sure about their theory,
but it seems like you're doing about the same thing,
although your theory seems stable.
Good work!
/Hob
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