About the three commercially available free energy devices offered to the public
Started by bugler · · 15 posts · last reply 31 December 2010
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#1 ·
Hi all,
today I have seen in the peswiki newsletter that there are three commercially available free energy devices offered to the public.
I have read the links for each of this device and there are things I don't understand.
Device 1: Energy By Motion (EBM) Energy by Motion
The site claims that all their EBM Plants are scaled for manufacturing from 1.5 to 225 MW. They say that their scientific find has no faculty recognition and that they need a grant.
Why do they need faculty recognition? Who cares about that? Why don't they sell these devices. No money? Easy. Ask for money in advance and the manufacture it. This is what carpenters and many other professionals do so why not them?
Device 2: Black light power. Plasma electrolysisHidro Online -
#2 ·
He explains how it works in his video on the page you give a link to. It's near the top right - click on PLAY.bugler wrote:
Device 3: Hidro+. Hidro Online
-Steve
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#3 ·
Thanks. I hadn't seen it.
I am not sure I have understood the whole thing.
1. The lower bottle is initially full of water
2. The water is removed by high pressure air from the lower reservoir at high pressure.
3. The bottle then goes up full of air.
4. Then the bottle empties its high pressure air into the top reservoir and gets full of water so it goes down.
Does it work this way?
If so, the top reservoir must be in vacuum and the lower reservoir has compressed air. But the compressors consume energy. -
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What you list is half of what he described but it's still only a quarter of a complete cycle i.e. his animation is only half the cycle. I don't think it works at all. Just continue with the steps needed to repeat a complete cycle and get the two bottles back to their starting positions. He says he has a working unit but he doesn't show it working. Too bad. I couldn't find his patents either.bugler wrote:
Thanks. I hadn't seen it.
Does it work this way?
If so, the top reservoir must be in vacuum and the lower reservoir has compressed air. But the compressors consume energy.
These types of systems can be made to work on paper if you have no losses and no loads. The only energy in this system is that which was used to set all the pressures at the start. After that it runs down and stops. Fun to think through though. I once spent a Sunday morning with physics book out and calculated one of these out fully. Without losses or load, all my energy transfers balanced out. I even built part of it for fun.
-Steve
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#5 ·
Yes it works, I read some patents about this buoyancy generators..
The principle is that the pressure under water times the hole of the air tube is the only force you need to win, or the power you need to input. The air will just get in the buoy (while water get out) and it will go up for almost free... On the upside you need to use this air to pump into the other buoy, so you use the remained pressure again obviously will be a smaller however you than just add more energy and you get the pressure for the next cycle.
The fact is that Its cost per watt is pretty much the same as new generation solar panels... -
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It's the above part I have a problem with.sebosfato wrote:
you than just add more energy and you get the pressure for the next cycle
Anyway, here's some more info.
-Steve
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#7 ·
The system will consume some energy but in the end you will have more energy than you put in.
Think about this, you have a pump, this pump will need to develop some pressure to overcome the water pressure to let the air get out of the tube to be able to fill the buoy, this needed pressure is = to the water pressure in the bottom of the tank divided by the area of the air tube port.
When you just overcome this pressure the air will flow out of the tube. When the buoy is full it will float up.
The pressure you need to apply to the tube is smaller than the pressure of the water in the bottom of the tank cause the pipe will be smaller.
When the thing get up to the top there will be still pressure inside of it so you can use this pressure + little more and charge the other buoy to make it buoy up.
Is not very clear the process, and i you fail in balancing the things will never get over efficiency. However can be done.
I think that the higher the tank the greater the efficiency will be. The tank should be closed to help the pressure discharge...
When the buoy is going up the air will start to flow out of the buoy, and you will loose pressure if the tank is open. when you discharge the pressure inside the top of the tank it will actually push the buoy down adding with the gravity force.
like this YouTube - Submarino de garrafa pet. Principios de Pascal e Arquimedes -
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This illustrates what i'm saying about the pressure YouTube - Agua que no cae, fundamento físico -
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Well, I'll have to give it some more study. In the meantime, I found a patent:
HYDRODYNAMIC ENERGY GENERATION SYSTEM
Thanks for the video link. I didn't understand that language but I could see what he was doing. Pretty cool how simple the method of demonstration is.
-Steve
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Yes this is one of the many patents about this. Cool one though.stevend wrote:
Well, I'll have to give it some more study. In the meantime, I found a patent:
HYDRODYNAMIC ENERGY GENERATION SYSTEM
espacenet — Original document
Thanks for the video link. I didn't understand that language but I could see what he was doing. Pretty cool how simple the method of demonstration is.
-Steve
rimstar.org - Solar/wind, composting, non-conventional energy/propulsion Wave Structure of Matter (WSM)
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#12 ·
There Is No Free Energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no free energy availiable in this world. The whole deal of electrolysis is total bull$hit. There is no free energy in that, but using small amounts of energy to break down the atomic structure of water and use the hydrogen and oxygern in a better way, combustion. When it burns, heat is produced. This is simple energy conversion. All of those people who have said that there is free energy, they are two 2 year olds. -
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So i'm 2 years old.wetissues wrote:
There is no free energy availiable in this world. The whole deal of electrolysis is total bull$hit. There is no free energy in that, but using small amounts of energy to break down the atomic structure of water and use the hydrogen and oxygern in a better way, combustion. When it burns, heat is produced. This is simple energy conversion. All of those people who have said that there is free energy, they are two 2 year olds.
How old are you?
How much time of your life you spent trying to understand why there is no free energy?
How many times, economical interests came to your mind?
How much do you think the economical interests in a world free of free energy, can cause influences on the information you learn on the university or school?
Do they want you to know it?
Do you really wanna know?
Do they know everything?
You can't prove something that you haven't see.
And you certainly didn't saw everything!
So if you are 100 years old and still think you already know everything and that everything you ever learn apply for everything, in your self conception you only have 1 year old. -
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So you are saying that its alright to make the public some dumb people. No, in the interest of the economy and advertising; it would be alright to say that theres free energy, no, but it would be alright to say that its (whatever it is) energy efficient. Also, i've seen it. If there was free energy, the world go kaboom by frikkin terrorists. That means that energy comes out of thin air clever clogg. At energetic forum, people are experimenting with energy effecient stuff, not this 'free energy' bull$hit.sebosfato wrote:
So i'm 2 years old.
How old are you?
How much time of your life you spent trying to understand why there is no free energy?
How many times, economical interests came to your mind?
How much do you think the economical interests in a world free of free energy, can cause influences on the information you learn on the university or school?
Do they want you to know it?
Do you really wanna know?
Do they know everything?
You can't prove something that you haven't see.
And you certainly didn't saw everything!
So if you are 100 years old and still think you already know everything and that everything you ever learn apply for everything, in your self conception you only have 1 year old. -
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wetissues, please define the meaning of the word free !wetissues wrote:
There is no free energy availiable in this world. The whole deal of electrolysis is total bull$hit. There is no free energy in that, but using small amounts of energy to break down the atomic structure of water and use the hydrogen and oxygern in a better way, combustion. When it burns, heat is produced. This is simple energy conversion. All of those people who have said that there is free energy, they are two 2 year olds.
At least give us your definition, if you don't mind that is.
I suppose next you will say there is no such thing as free sunshine. And that sunshine is not energy.
If you would like an argument about this, I will oblige you. After all I have lots of free time.
Regards
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