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Attached are more photos of the new tubular HHO cell design inspired by Fred Wells. In 2019 he emailed me crude drawings of his 2012 design and said "sharing is caring" so now I am sharing it with you all.

Fred has been running his cars and demonstrated running 50kWp generator with only water added into his 8 foot tall cell design back in 2018, so it looks real to me and so I am recreating his small 2 foot unit.

The End-Cap cell encloures are cast in a mixture of epoxy and portland cement and poured into a 3d printed form/shell. One end has to be a dielectric insulator for the 10-300A DC input for the center positive electode. Both also needs to withstand +80C water temperature, and to be able to hold 65 PSI water pressure for the recirculating pump I got off ebay"

"High Pressure Marine 12V DC 60PSI 5.0 GPM Water Pump on Demand Boat"
shorturl.at/iqvHU

Check out the linked Youtube 2013 video of his 18" cell being installed in a "900HP Camaro car" as the guy describing the complete setup is instructive.
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Here are some additional photos of the unit.

- The 3D printed End Caps coated with epoxy
- The 6 tubes nickel plated, 2 sets
- Input for water/electrolyte Pos. end 316 SS nipple in 3d form prior to epoxy + cement pour
- Output of water and HHO gas

"sharing is caring"

Hi,
Back here to report on my latest build findings on a tubular style Browns gas HHO device and to try to do a running Log of build progress.

HHO, Browns Gas, or Rhodes Gas, are 1960-70's US patents for the idea of "neutral plates." That in-between the 2 electrodes connected to a power source, were several neutral non-powered plates not connected to power but created a series cell of added voltages. So a 6 cell can be run on 12V DC power source, not requiring only a 2V DC to create water electrolysis.

Tubular HHO design has a center pipe/rod as one electrode (Pos.) and the outer pipe as the other electrode (Neg.). Instead of the "flat cell plates" HHO units currently on the market.

See attached photo of my 6 tubes HHO design. Nickel plated (for low amp. units), stainless steel 304 0.065 thick tube sizes 0.5", 0.75, 1.00, 1.25, 1.5, and the 2" outer tube 24" long enclosing the HHO unit.

Water enters one end, circulates through the 5 series cell tubular unit and exits the other end with the collected HHO gas. All re-circulating by a water pump to a gas separation chamber, where the HHO gas rises to the top and is used to fuel gas engines, and the water electrolyte goes back through the tubular HHO unit to collect more HHO gas.

So far some tests show it can run car engines on 100% HHO gas. More to come.

Checking to see if photo uploads...

vrand wrote:


Here is John Fisher interesting theory:

OUTLINE OF POLYNEUTRON THEORY
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...57700187,d.cGE


Speaking about electrolyzers and electrolytes that neutrons and alpha particles form the Polyneutron Theory:

Lithium Sulphate, Li2SO4 was used by Oriani in his "Cold Fusion" electrolyzer experiments. Mark Hugo referenced Henry "Dad" Garrett's 1936 Sulphuric Acid electrolyzer device when he talked about creating HHO in fueling a car.

Both had sulfur in the electrolyte. Is there something special about sulfur? In ancient times the Philosopher's Stone to make gold by transmutation often used sulfur.

Lithium was also special for the "Fast Freddy" device when he was running his truck on his cell design. Lithium is often used by conventional nuclear reactors in absorbing neutrons.

Still much to learn

Cheers

Michael John Nunnerley wrote:

Thanks for the paper, with you around it's like having a librarian on hand

Mike
Thank God for the Internet

Some info on needing water or humidity in the Papp design.

John Rohner's, 11/19/2009, Patent Application US20110113772 references the Klostermann, 2006 Patent #7076950.


Plasmic transition process motor
Patent US20110113772 - Plasmic transition process motor - Google Patents

John does not use the electrolyzing (water in the humidity?) air as Klostermann uses, nor does he use the electrolyzing of the 20% water specified by Papp in his first patent. Klostermann does not specify the amount of humidity of the air so more testing would be required to determine the minimum percentage of water.

John does say in his patent application that hydrogen is used for speeding up the reaction or generating additional power for larger engines.

So we have seen videos of working test devices from Papp, and Klostermann that needed water/humidity to operate. No video's from John Rohner. Unknown if Bob Rohner uses or needs to electrolyze water in his device?

Lots of action in developing the Papp invention, hoping that something works!

Cheers

Michael John Nunnerley wrote:

Thank you for posting this video, it brings together what I have been saying for many years here, an excellent explination.

Mike
Yes, Mechanical & Electrical Engineer Mark Hugo also does a great job in explaining how the 20-30% gasoline saving in cars with HHO/oxyhydrogen gas being reported worldwide, using the "cold fusion" nuclear processes theories of Fisher, Oriani, McKubre, Storms and many others over the past 24 years.

Here is John Fisher interesting theory:

OUTLINE OF POLYNEUTRON THEORY
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...57700187,d.cGE

What is needed is a working "free energy" device to power our homes and cars.

Cheers

Corrected Mark Hugo's background experience, and here is his resume:
Hugo Resume Onward

tachyon wrote:

you only need water mist no electrolysing.. and you have to control the charge density or crank up the voltage... the only problem with all these "engines" are the corroding electrodes..are there still people that think that this force is coming from water? (this has been discovered from the 70's ...) oh yes you have to control the ionization state.. :P will you build one... the video says enough..
Mark Hugo in this video says that Papp is electrolyzing the water.



Mark Hugo demonstrates how HHO may be a nuclear process involving cold fusion, and may also be the force responsible for the Papp Engine.

It's Not HHO: Cold Fusion & The Papp Engine - YouTube

It looks like there are a lot of processes happening in the simple Papp design.

Cheers

Michael John Nunnerley wrote:

Not quite the case. If the air inside was at zero humidity you would not see this force, do I need to explain further!!

Now I wonder who was doing this before

Mike

It looks like Papp also says this, needing 10-25% of water by volume!

Yes, would you please explain why the need for water gas.

Also, how is the water made into a gas? Electrolyzing the water to oxyhydrogen gas? Or, by high pressure water mister? Humidifier?

Cheers

Johan wrote:

Thats what Klostermann is telling with normal air, and the water is also mentioned in the first patent from Papp!

Vacuum are seals there directed, below zero bar and it starts to ........... !

Regards, Johan
Interesting, as I did not know this, thanks for the info

Papp first patent US3670494, part of Claim #8 reads:

"said chamber containing and effective charge of between about 10 percent and 25 percent of de-oxygenated water, by volume, and the remaining volume being composed of a mixture of three or more noble gases..."

I do not recall ever reading the Rohner brothers mentioning this important requirement of having 10-25% water volume in their research with Papp?

Why the need to have water?

- Has more mass than the noble gases to push the piston?
- Has lower breakdown voltage, so the high current flows?
- easier to ionize?

"Build it and they will come."

Cheers
- Running a Papp engine on just atmospheric air.
- No more mixing expensive noble gases in a vacuum.
- Working test model already built.
- Worked with Bob and Tom Rohner back in 2005.
- Already has patents; US7076950; US20060101816.
- Ready for mass production of a 2 or 4 cylinder engine within a year.
- Electric generator design for 50 kWp (built by DOE) can run on his Papp air design.


Heinz Klostermann has been working on this for the past couple of decades just released a video of his working air driven Papp engine model and talks about how it works.

Youtube: Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine
Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine - YouTube

More info:


PowerPedia:Joseph Papp's Noble Gas Engine - PESWiki

US Patents:
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&...Klostermann%22

Cheers

Duncan wrote:

Oh dear perhaps I shouldn't have opened this particular box Chet OOps

Interesting plasma device photo, thanks for sharing, where can find more info on it? Cheers

My work

#8 ·

Michael John Nunnerley wrote:

Thought I would post this video, it is based on my work, but like all these big companies they steal peoples work knowing you can not afford to sue them.

Well to put one over on them, soon there will be a convertion system on the market for any car or home energy generation. Low energy input synthetic methane production.

enjoy

Mike

Audi A3 TCNG e-gas project - balanced mobility - YouTube
Thanks for the update Mike, looking forward to your conversion system.

Any estimates on when it will be available for purchase? Cost estimate?

Would we build our own from plans for sale? Will be able to purchase a complete unit?

Keep up the good work!

Cheers
Mike

sucahyo wrote:

Here is my version of corona maker. Made from thin bare wire wound to insulated wire. The induction will force corona to come out the thin wire. Since the one that insulated do not exposed to air, only corona made by thin wire produce ozone. And if your driver circuit produce DC dominant HV you can make it produce mostly negative ino by connecting the coil the correct way.

Use neon bulb to check current direction. only leg with negative current in the neon will lit.



one way to wound it:


the corona, not very clear unfortunately, my webcam can not capture it well. Run at about 600mA at 10V.



Edit:
Now I use insulated wire as positive wound over a bare copper pipe as negative. If you use other circuit, you can use what ever polarity.
Interesting design sucahyo, thank you for post it

I would enjoy seeing how it works with an engine.

What do you estimate is your output voltage and frequency? Is the output AC or rectified to DC?

Thanks, Mike

Electrotek wrote:

I agree with Dr. Chukanov that what he's using is not a plasma. His Ball Lightning has a positive nucleus surrounded by electrons, yet he contains it with a field of electrons. All of these electrons would cause the central positive particles to move outwards, unless it is like he says that the nucleus is a single particle. In this case the containment electrons would repel the quantum electrons anchored to the nucleus and, hence, contain the BL.

Also, it's not true that tremendous energies are needed for his discovery. It's just that he's dealing primarily with utility scale systems. Since each of the quantum electrons has a different energy, or voltage, a larger number of ions condensing into the "quantum macro nucleus" provides some quantum electrons which have exceedingly high energies. These energies are then released when a voltage is passed through the perimeter of the BL. Kiril says that ANY voltage will work and it doesn't HAVE to have a stair step waveform.

Kiril's first unit, which exploded and wrecked his workshop, used a 5kW Magnetron. Now he's using a one MW tube, for the higher output levels needed to feed the Grid. But he told me that he can produce hundreds of times as much energy as a nuclear bomb. He said "I know how to do this". He's talking THOUSANDS OF TIMES OU.

I asked him specifically about using the HERF device shown in patent #3798461 to achieve the initial 'instantaneous' ionization in conjunction with a Helicon coil - with cold dry air at low pressure - then using a MW oven (or the alternative self amplifying system) to maintain the BL as the pressure is slowly increased back to normal, and he told me "Your ideas are right".

I personally think this IS a technology which needs to be replicated. I'd be perfectly happy with 4kW electricity from a 1kW MW oven. I just need to get a thick walled quartz tube.
How thick of a walled quartz tube do you need?

Why is that critical?

I also agree that 4kw electrical generator to power our homes would be great (8kw would be better )

Regards