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lamare

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Stan Meyers BIG secret: "electropolished" stainless steel

#4 ·

BTWt, Stan's original design has become available after his estate has been sold. These have been converted to CAD drawings by a/o Russ Griess and all the components appear to be available ready made now for reasonable prices, although details may still have to be changed in future versions:

Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Stanley Meyer Hydrogen IPTV Satellite Free tv Tuner VIC Injector
Stanley Meyer Hydrogen IPTV Satellite Free tv Tuner VIC Injector


So, it appears that we are getting very close to being able to successfully replicate Stan's WFC.

Stan Meyers BIG secret: "electropolished" stainless steel

#3 ·

renaud67 wrote:

Bob Boyce also speak about plate conditionning ...
Yes, and Patrick Kelly describes this as a "catalytic layer":

Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - Chapter 10
After extensive testing, Bob Boyce discovered that a very considerable improvement can be made if a catalytic layer is developed on the active plate surfacea catalytic layer on the plate surfaces.
Since the material being used is stainless steel, the catalytic layer consists (mostly) out of Chromium, Nickel and Iron oxides. The process is very similar to this "electropolishing" process and creates similar oxides, but the "official" electropolishing process has been optimized for the specific goal of minimizing Iron and Nickel contaminations by means of choice of chemicals and controlled process parameters such as temperature and input current and voltage.

In other words: Boyce process is essentially a "poor mans" electropolishing process.

Stan Meyers BIG secret: "electropolished" stainless steel

#1 ·

Hi all,

Some time ago, I posted a thread at Russ Griess' site about the theoretic principles along which Stan's system is capable of drawing excess energy out of the aether/vacuum/ZPE field/whatever name you prefer:
Theoretic foundation: the electret effect

And I posted a YouTube video about this, wherein I explain the principles:
How Stan Meyer's "Car on Water" as well as "Cold Fusion" actually works. - YouTube

Since the idea is that the WFC is supposed to be an electrolytic capacitor, I went looking for ways to make a suitable dielectric layer on top of stainless steel. The first direction I thought of was some kind of nickel oxide, because stainless 316 has the highest concentration of nickel, and nickel is also being used in super capacitors. However, these use a different mechanism and are thus NOT suitable in a normal electrolytic capacitor like the WFC.

So, I went looking for what I could find out about chromium oxide, and more particular, Cr3O2, which is the oxide growing on top of stainless and which is what protects the metal from rusting.

It turns out that Cr3O2 has similar properties as aluminum oxide, which is being used in electrolytic capacitors. It has a dielectric constant comparable to aluminum oxide and it has a high ohmic resistance, i.e. is an insulator (at room temperature).

AND it turns out that so called "electropolishing" process which is used a/o for passivating stainless steel for medical applications is very similar to the process by which normal electrolytic capacitors are made, which are mostly based on aluminum.

See my posts over there for more details:
Theoretic foundation: the electret effect


Now if we add one and one together, I would say chances are very heigh that Stan used electropolished stainless steel.

That basically explains why Stan did not appear to have "conditioned" his pipes, but others reported good result with "conditioned" pipes. So, he apparently *did* use a specific "conditioning" process, BUT he simply just ordered "electropolished" stainless instead of doing it the hard way...


Some more info on electropolishing:
Electropolishing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Clean energy beeing discovered

#7 ·

Based on the theories of Prof. Turtur, one can go a long way into explaining Stan Meyer / Andrea Puharich's car/motor cycles running on water as well as Edwin Gray's fuelless engine:

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

If the electric field indeed is an energy source, powered by ZPE trough charge carriers as electrons and atom nuclei, then you can use the energy source known as the electric field in various ways. It appears that Meyer, Puharich and Gray all three put some coil configuration into resonance, powered by the electric field without the application of an externally supplied current.


It appears that Kapagen used bifilar wound coils, one clockwise, one counter-clockwise wound, in order to supress the magentic component of the traveling electric waves. So, it appears one can generate pure electric waves, in contrast to the more familiar electro-magnetic waves. Based on this, I have I have posted some ideas about some new combinations of various ideas floating around on a.o. this forum. See:
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Unfotunately, I have not been able to experiment lately, so until I or someone else find some time, these ideas remain untested that may or may not work.

SSG Modification anomaly

#14 ·

Farmhand wrote:

Thanks lamare, thats very helpfull. So much to learn.

lamare said,


Ummmm, since its electrolytic, which plate is which ? I'll have a guess ! Is the fluid the positive ?

Rgds

In normal operation, the positive plate is the one that grows a dielectric layer, so then the fluid would be the negative. In that mode of operation, at the negative plate (if it is aluminum) you also have such a layer, but it is that thin that it easily breaks down and electrons can flow into the fluid, charging it negatively.


And an old school rectifier is almost the same. Only then the negative plate is another kind of metal, one that does not form a protective layer. See:
Baking Soda Variable Electrolytic Capacitor.
Borax or Baking Soda Rectifier and the glow.

SSG Modification anomaly

#11 ·

Farmhand wrote:

Well lamare, I believe your explaination does make sense to me. We need some folks to spend some experiment time refining the easiest and most effective ways to make and rate these "old school" electolytic capacitors.

Wouldn't they just be layden jars, or are they different ?

The evidence does seem to be there that this is important. It is already known that layden jars are a very important part of the conversion of for want of a better word "static" or purely potential energy to usable electricity.
They are used in the testatika machine, apparently with success.

Very interesting stuff.
Cheers

Electrolytic capacitors are different from Leyden jars, because in an electrolytic capacitor, one of the capacitor plates is not really a "plate", it is a fluid, the electrolyte.

So, you have one plate, usually aluminum, on which a very thin layer of dielectric material has been formed. And that is basically what the glass is in the Leyden jar, only this is much, much thinner, which is why you can get a much higher capacitance.
However, the other "plate" is at the other surface of this same very thin layer, so in order to get this "plate" charged, you have to get get charged ions inside the conductive fluid to move towards the surface of this unsulating layer.

So, with a normal capacitor, you have metal plates acting as the capacitor plates, while with an electrolytic capacitor, one of the plates consists of ions in a fluid.

SSG Modification anomaly

#9 ·

Zooty wrote:

Hi all, i decided to go back to the SSG setup and try something i have been thinking about. My thought was to put an inductor with an iron core in the path of the inductive spike before it hits the charge battery. The idea was to see if i could give the wheel an extra push with the extra inductor but it did not really make a difference although it did create an extra magnetic field. What if found very strange was when the extra inductor was connected, the neon on the ssg circuit would flash bright and the charge battery would still charge. I added another diode to the new coil and it is now charging another battery. The primary charge battery has hardly been affected in it's charge rate and the second battery is charging just as fast. The input has also dropped by 90ma!

Very interesting find!

It looks like the excess energy observed in Bedini's SG, Gray's motor, Meyer/Puharichs WFC and the so called Tesla switch all have something to do with what Tesla called a "distruptive discharge", a spike, into a coil in series with either an electrolytic cap, a battery or a WFC:

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If indeed the ions inside an electrolytic cap cause a delay for currents to flow, then you have the essence of what Gray was doing. A HV sudden discharge into a coil causing a magnetic field because of the changing electric field during a short moment where there is not yet a current flowing, which is possible because the other terminal is loaded with some device containing an electrolyte fluid in between metal plates: an electrolytic cap, a battery or a WFC.

If that is the key mechanism, basically using a changing electric field to create a magnetic field inside a coil while delaying the moment a current can flow, because of the use of a device containing an electrolyte, then there may be a way to close the loop after all. This would be something like this in the way Gray did it:


However, Zooty's extra (green) coil could of course also be the primary of a transformer, while the secondary could be used to charge the source battery without directly closing the loop.


I came to this idea, because according to Mark McKay, the batteries were essential in Gray's stuff, and there are also a few strange (electrolytic!) capacitors in Bedini's schematic of the so-called Tesla switch:

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Mark McKay posted some information on the earlier, succesfull, Gray engines which I think is very important also for understanding the Tesla switch:

Spokane1 wrote:

There is meaningful observation documented where the non-classical output was a simple, but huge, DC spike that recharged the storage capacitor(s) and was also directed towards the storage batteries. The batteries were destroyed by this input -BUT they could not be eleminated from the circuit. Their circuit parameters were a requirment for non-classical operation. The motor could never run "closed loop" becasue the energy that was not extracted in the form of torque couldn't be effectively stored. They only needed a 60A alternator to top off the batteries from a functional standpoint. But if the motor ran for more than 30-60 minutes the batteries were toasted. If the motor was ran longer than this they exploded from hydrogen outgassing. Today this challenge might be solved with some huge carbon foam capacitors and sophiscated switch-mode power supply circuits.
So, according to Mark, the batteries are essential for "non-classic operation" and that this is a documented observation. To me, this is one of the most important clues I have read ever since I started studying Grays stuff. And since this comes from McKay, one of the most knowledgeable persons on the history of Grays stuff, I have no doubt this is accurate. And beside that, John Bedini has also stated the importance of batteries in his systems. "It's in the batteries!", is what I recall hearing him say on one of his video's.

Just like I wondered what capacitor 38 in Grays circuit is for, I also wondered why there are capacitors in the lines to the diode bridge in the most original working Tesla switch schematic I know of, the one on page 8 here:

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As you can see, this one powers an inductive load, a motor, while being fed trough electrolytic capacitors in the line to the rectifier bridge.

It appears that devices containing metal plates with a water solution in between them, be it a battery, an electrolytic capacitor or a WFC, in combination with an inductor are essential for obtaining excess energy.

As I posted here, according to the Maxwell equations, a magnetic field can not only be caused by a current, but also by a changing electric field:

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Maxwell's equations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
by changing electric fields
This suggests it is very likelly possible to create a magnetic field inside a coil using only a changing electric field, without having to provide any current to the coil in order to get the magnetic field.

Interestingly, Bedini uses the same principle the other way around. He energizes a coil trough a transistor and then suddenly switches the transistor off, so no current can flow trough the transistor anymore. He redirects the sharp rising voltage at the coil terminal trough a diode to a charging battery. And then you get a DC spike, exactly because the ion based current inside the battery takes some time to react.

So, it appears that with electrolytic capacitors, you get a short delay between the moment a field, a voltage, is applied to it and the moment a current starts flowing. And it appears this effect can be used to cause a magnetic field to build up inside a coil, without providing current to it, while the energy that has been build up in the coil can be harnassed for free.

Given that Gray's system includes a capacitor 38 and his schematic supposedly originate with Tesla, and Marvin Cole could not get this system to work without batteries, one can speculate that the plate distance of the electrolytic capacitors/batteries used is an important parameter for the effects we are after. And therefore it seems likely that old school electrolytic capacitors, basically aluminum plates in an electrolyte solution, offer the best results.

For more on how to make old school electrolytic capacitors as well as rectifiers, see: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post123445

Fuelless engine plans. Is it real ?

#10 ·

radiant1 wrote:

Nearly 8 years ago a few people went together to get plans from C.S. The fueless engine is missing comutator info and to wire it up. You will also need another set of plans for the high voltage capicitor power supply. That schematic was on 2 or 3 pages with much missing data. The guy called himself a "christian" but was the worst person I have ever dealt with. He refused to answer questions or give a refund. Then later he said he would answer questions for $25 for each one. The 50 hp feuless engine plans are identical to the toy plans and he tells you in them to just scale them up! AVOID THIS PLACE LIKE THE PLAGUE and tell him I said so!
Alan
I have read stories like that elsewhere, but I don't see any objections in downloading the stuff from the net and discussing it alongside Grays system. To me, the plans are interesting, because they give additional insights you can't find in Grays patents.

Fuelless engine plans. Is it real ?

#4 ·

Kirill wrote:

Hi everyone,

i have seen in internet following site : Free Energy Motors Generators
they are offering to purchase some plans of overunity devices.
Does anybody know , is it real or just joke ?

Thanks in advance,
Kirill
Russia.
I have put up the plans for a Gray-like device at my website:
Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/Reference_Material/Fuelless_Engine/

The electrical system described in there has great similarities with the Poulsen arc converter, as I posted here:
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Given that such a circuit basically is an oscillator circuit and resonating coils are used all over the place in FE devices - Stiffler, Meyer, Puharich, Tesla, etc. etc. - I think the conclusion that these are jokes and cannot work cannot be justified just because one hasn't seen any working example.

Actually, I think there is a pretty good chance these things do work.

If you want to experiment with a Poulsen arc converter, you may want to buy one of those high voltage fly swatters to use as a voltage source:
Electric Fly Swatter

These can be modified and give of high voltage DC:
Fly fly The modification of the electric flyswatter

There's somewhat of a schematic here:
Fly Zapper Racket - Shock Device - Replacement Components


This looks very similar to oscillators used in the Joule thief, etc. and I think there may be a few mistakes in this one, but the idea is clear: an oscillator is built around the primaries of the transformer, which is transformed up to a high voltage AC, which is rectified into a capacitor.

JP2005247676 where is this japanese patent?

#6 ·

tutanka wrote:

Im not interested to copy Meyer, Puharich, Gray, etc... I have understand that free energy is based on free electrons. Using these you can create energy directly. You need only to know right way for free electrons creation and amplification. After you are independent from fossil fuel.
IMHO, free electric energy is based on the fact that each and every charge carrier in the universe emits an electric field for free, which is spreading at the speed of light and therefore is an energy source. Prof. Claus Turtur explains this very nicely in his paper:
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Referenced in my article at Pes:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

If a point charge (for instance an elementary charge) exists since a given moment in time, from the time of its birth without any alteration of its mass. The volume of the space filled with this field increases permanently during time and with it the total energy of the field
Important is the conclusion, which can be found with logical consequence:

On the one hand the vacuum (= the space) permanently supplies the charge with energy (first paradox aspect), which the charge (as the field source) converts into field energy and emits it in the shape of a field. On the other hand the vacuum (= the space) permanently takes energy away from the propagating field, this means, that space gets back its energy from field during the propagation of the field. .
So, IMHO, all this is about how to use this free energy field to move electrons around such that they perform useful work.

JP2005247676 where is this japanese patent?

#4 ·

tutanka wrote:

You can semplify a lot using only one IC OSCILLATOR/HALF-BRIDGE DRIVER like IR2153 and IRFP450 mosfets.. in fact Puharich use ONLY alternate voltage and right cell (not metal only). Ask to you why Puharich use dieletric inside injector. Your cell is an antenna and you can tuned simply . REMEMBER MY WORDS.. THE RIGHT WAY IS USE FREE ELECTRONS !!!
When you are talking about driving your WFC, yes, you can do that in various ways.

However, if you want to tap the energy for splitting the water out of the ether, you are in essence using the fact that the electric field is an energy source, as I describe in my article at Pes.

One way to get the electric field to give you free energy is to use resonance and especially higher harmonic resonance. With a WFC you can create acoustic resonances inside the fluid. These can go in two directions. Perpendicular with respect to the electrolyser plates and in parallel with the plates. In the case you use concentric tubes that means you can also get resonance in the direction of the pipes. Since the resonance frequency depends on the distance the waves have to travel, the resonance frequencies in the length directions are much lower than the resonance frequencies perpendicular to the plates.

So, I suspect that if you would use higher acoustic resonance frequencies, you will see about the same amount of gas production at lower costs in terms of energy you have to feed into the cell yourself.

This higher harmonic resonance principle can also be used with coils, as Stiffler and Slayer are showing and that is what Meyer and Puharich also used in order to get the system even more efficient.

To sum this up: the more higher harmonic resonators you use, the more bang for the buck you can get, provided you tune everything correctly and match/couple/feed the various resonators in the system carefully.

JP2005247676 where is this japanese patent?

#2 ·

The European Patent office has an excellent search facility. Go to:
espacenet — Home page and click "advanced search" in the menu at the left.

Then fill in JP2005247676 at the "Application number:" field and you get:

espacenet — Bibliographic data

Then click "original document" and "save full document" to get a pdf.

This one is 4 pages in japanese. The english abstract reads:

PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To decompose water into hydrogen and oxygen by using an ultrasonic machine. ; SOLUTION: Water is decomposed by controlling the wavelength of the ultrasonic machine in accordance with the change of temperature of the water, and the frequency is preferably 100,000 to 1,500,000 Hz. Clean hydrogen can be efficiently obtained and oxygen as well. ; COPYRIGHT: (C)2005,JPO&NCIPI
Note that Puharich also controlled the acoustic wavelength in his WFC using a "resonance sensing resistor", basically a feedback to his modulator:

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki


I am working on this feedback principle in the LTSpice simulator. See my post here:
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The time remaining

#3 ·

adamo21 wrote:

Interesting how this all links up, huh?
Definately, yes. However, "they" are going to have a damn hard time surpressing this:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

This describes the working principle of Gray, Meyer and Puharich, based on Bearden's theory as well as Prof. Turtur's. Ye can direct any engineer, professor or whatever over there to see wether or not they can punch any holes in this.

I say they can't, cause I have done my homework and as a qualified Electrical Engineer I am very confident that this is how they did it. So now everyone who wants to know how to pull this off can go right to my article and read all about it.

Developing Energy Prospects

#2 ·

Hi Angela,

I don't know if you have any contacts with these guys, but you may want to point any engineers and/or investors to my theory over here:

Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

While this is a work in progress, I think the basic theory is solid as a rock and will deliver results in the not too distant future. So, I don't claim any results other than that this theory explains the devices built and shown by Gray, Puharich and Meyer, in my opinion as a qualified Electrical Engineer holding a Masters degree.

Please feel free to check this out and do whatever you like with it.

One more thing: should anyone want to consider hiring me for one reason or another, there would be one major condition: no patenting of my stuff. I want to make this world a better place with my work and don't need to become much richer than I am already, so selling my intellectual work exclusively into the hands of a private company is not an option. Companies should compete on quality, being the first to market, etc., which is something totally different than creating monopolies using "intellectual property" rights. So, while investments into proper equipment, etc. would certainly help, we will get where we want to be no matter what. And besides, this stuff has already been mostly patented years ago and/or is already published on the internet, so it will be hard to get valid patents on this stuff anyway. Furthermore, there is just no way to pull these kind of developments off with patents, because the stakes are very, very high. So far, every single person that succeeded in building really powerful free energy devices has either kept the working principle of his invention a secret or did not really know how it worked, which is exactly why none of them ever made it to the market. They either got an "accident" or some kind of an "offer you can't refuse", so there is only one way to get this technology into the hands of the people and that is called "open source" aka "power to the people!". (pun intended)

-- Arend --

Simple COP 3 with 4 transformers in series?

#8 ·

DrStiffler wrote:

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, but to my knowledge a conventional antenna arrangement only modifies the pattern and gives one a moment of thought in the result.
@Doc: As usual, you are completely right.

You can do this, but you have to put the transformers 2 by 2 in series, and drive them the way Puharich did. Puharich drove only 1 load, and het put his rectifier before his "insulating transformer". That's a mistake, because then your power amplifier must deliver a considerable amount of power to the insulating transformer, because of the sharp edge at the zero crossing. Other than that, he did it right.

So, what you need to do is drive the power amp with a modulated signal and put the rectifier *after* the transformer, such that you drive two identical loads in opposit phase. Then you can drive the transformers with very, very little power, as I posted here:
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@TanTric: in theory, yes. I have analysed the systems of Edwin Gray, Stanley Meyer and Puharich. I finally figured out how they worked and the all used the exact same principle.

However, all of them got it only half way. They "split" only the "positive". If you do this right, you can figuratively speaking drive your car from a 9V battery cell. Of course, that's a bit of an overstatement, but you do get very, very, very much more power out than you have to put in yourself.

Now this is not a perpetuum mobile, as I posted here:
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I know this will be hard to grasp if you've been bombarded with "perpetuum mobile is impossible", but this is not a perpetuum mobile. It is simply a different kind of solar cell that uses not the light of the sun but the light emitted by charge carriers: the electric field, the wheelwork of nature as Tesla said in 1892 (!!):

Simple COP 3 with 4 transformers in series?

#5 ·

lamare wrote:

Do you need to drive the coils at their resonance frequency?
Looks like I can answer this question too now. See what I posted here:
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The key is into how to resonate the load train. You need to get the whole train in full-wave resonance, which is at a 4 times higher frequency than you would normally do. In order to get the power, you need to feed it also with a frequency (modulation) that is much higher than that, which is why Puharich did it the way he did and he definately did that correctly.
So, if you want real power, you should drive it with a frequency 100 or 1000 times the natural resonance frequency of the transformers and feed that to one open end of one of the primaries. Then you can tap off all the power you want from the "primaries" of the others.

So, you basically make a simple sine-wave HF oscillator and use that to get the whole thing into resonance. If the frequency you "transmit" is x times lambda, you basically get an "x lambda" antenna, which will give you a considerable, *real* gain.



Will this work, or do we have to split the circuit in two and use modulation the way Puharich did?