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Egmqc, That sentence made sense to me

It is about being TOLD what we "CAN'T" do... Told we "can't succeed". Just like we are told by mainstream science and engineering what "can't possibly" be done lol... When all though History, Science has been absolutely WRONG over and over, thousands of times, up until the latest set of "cant possibly be wrong" laws lol.

If you don't think that "dreams" are meaningful for motivation, for intuition, for pushing beyond what we are told by the naysayers that "we can't do"....
Then you are misunderstanding how many people's minds work. And many of these people who USE and EMBRACE their dreams for motivation are highly successful in business.

Perhaps one should consider that their own methods are not others methods... And that these others' methods are just as valid as their own; it is what "works right" for each individual.

Someone wants us all to be little cookie cutter scientists, they will be very disappointed because that's not going to happen. Intuition is a strange thing. It can be just as strong in an uneducated person as one with 6 years of university. Often, in regards to energy concepts; it is stronger. What intuition can bring, is innovation in ways the 6-year Degreed person would have never thought of. Why is that?

Because some professor told them that it was impossible

Thats only true if we believe its true.. and becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

There was much work done here in the F-E forums, some may be by the wayside now for MOST people, but that does not mean it wasn't important, or that people didn't learn from it who are still pursuing it...

How about plasma spark exploding water....?

NO WHERE in "science" could you see this being discussed. ANYWHERE.

How about the work with Joule Thief and related tech? Where can we find that work being done in the mainstream? We see lots of people claiming to have projects to help people in Africa, to give them clean water, electricity for lights at night, etc... When here on these forums, people can learn how to make the most efficient lighting systems known... That would require only a small solar panel for a few hours a day to maintain.

How about work with Stanley Meyer -type hydroxy systems? Several avenues explored, some on going now. WHO is doing it in the mainstream? WHERE can see this work being done?

Who else is experimenting with magnet motor designs? Please name the institute or entity that is determining if this is a viable road to pursue or not?

So what do we do now; since we are so frickin "useless"... HUH???

Rely on....

Orion?

WITTS?

Give me a break lol.

The expensive instruments are nice, and almost always are required for Verification. They are usually NOT required for making breakthroughs. Only the human mind is required for that. Give us the breakthroughs and the instruments can be found.

The only way the people who want to us to stop can succeed, is if we decide to stop work ourselves.

Recently, Dr. Greer and Dr. Ted Loder made a radio/internet interview discussing what is going on with Orion Group.

Look that link up for yourselves folks, you won't find me linking to it (lol you'll see why in a minute).

In this "interview" (self-done really), he stated some disturbing things that i will point out here.

> He said we in the Open Source movement, specifically people who "work by themselves in their garages". will "NEVER GET ANYWHERE".

Lol this is hilarious. Many people who come here have done great and important work. I would say "TWENTY TIMES" what Orion has done... Except that their output is ZERO and you cannot multiply by zero! ORION HAS NEVER SHOWN ANYTHING AT ALL.

And what is his alternative..? To trust him, and only him, to get something out to the Public. Using what method? How? He has PROVED he cannot be trusted (as seen below), and "faith" is for religions and matters of Spirit, not science and politics. And not for something as important as this.

> He called for inventors to BRING ORION THEIR INVENTIONS. This appears to be what is called "The Spider Web" tactic... and is often used as a means of suppression, sort of a "safety valve" for the NSA to get a hold of devices that are not suppressed other ways (such as Patent Applications, shelving, or via manipulating funding/investment capital).

First off, if Orion really does have all these marvelous techs... WHY do they need ours?? Second, considering we have seen NOTHING OF ANY VALUE AT ALL in over 3 years of their fund raising... Then what will happen to YOUR invention once they get a hold of it? It would fall into the black hole that every other tech they claim to have has fallen. Since Greer has shown over and over that he DOES NOT EMBRACE OPEN SOURCE at all; even if he is not actually "psy-ops", he might gain control over it, or a significant percentage of it, if it is ever marketed (which i do not believe is likely!!).

> During the radio show, he and Dr. Loder said that of all the recent announcement that come from Government DOE Grants, that NOTHING AT ALL was valuable. THIS IS NOT TRUE. It is VERY CLEAR That the work of Dr. Daniel Nocera of M.I.T. is very important, especially as a means of giving the genre Peer-Reviewed PROOF for what we have been saying for years!

Is he really ignorant of this? I will let you all decide that. Imo, this announcement from M.I.T. in April 2010 is the most important one we have had in many years coming from mainstream science. ODD how he didn't mention it, and claimed NOTHING coming from Grants was "worthwhile".

> Dr. Greer said we in the Free Energy community "need leadership".. Clearly MEANING HIM. Lol. This is so absurd i cannot believe they think we would accept him as our "leader". For one thing, it is ridiculously EASY to control an entire movement from the top. We are best off with NO LEADERS. What do we even NEED one for? To collect the money lol? N-o t-h-a-n-k y-o-u. Second. WHAT HAS HE DONE TO PROVE HE DESERVES IT IN THE FIELD OF FREE ENERGY?? Has ANYONE ever seen ANYTHING of real value come from Orion Group?? Please come forward if you have.

There can be some argument for his work being valuable in the "Disclosure Project" (which was about UFO's and government secret projects). He took a lot of credit for it, but it was NOT his show alone. And, if you talk to folks who were actually involved in it (as i have), at the very last minute, he made a stupendous blunder that cost the large media support they had expected and had been promised... By injecting some really ridiculous-sounding stuff into the claims that HAD NO PROOF or reason for being there AT ALL, and that HE HAD NEVER DISCUSSED WITH THE OTHER FOLKS who were involved with the project. My source says that this blunder totally screwed their hope for greater publicity by scaring away many reporters because it sounded too absurd.

Injecting "absurdity" is a common tactic we see in psy-ops to turn off thinking people.

> He mentioned "his" inventors being suppressed again (although he left out the claims of them being held against their will in underground NWO bunkers that he made last December), and he also mentioned the Stanley Meyer stuff briefly. BUT he did NOT apologize for the "Errors" on the Orion site, in their fund raising activities that CLAIMED THEY ALREADY HAD the Stanley Meyer buggy and other stuff. They clearly did not have it... as we well know. But they collected MONEY using that as a lure.

> His claims, often repeated, that he has special insider knowledge from people "high up in the government" have NEVER been verified by anyone, or anything AT ALL.

Folks, i will give you a very important clue: If someone starts a story out by saying: "I was told this by a government person / scientist who is very high up, but if i told you his /her name, this person would be killed!"

Then you know, it is B-S , lol.

You know why? It's very simple...

WOULD YOU RISK YOUR LIFE TO TELL SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET YOU KILLED TO STEPHEN GREER, of all people lol?

Think about that

We hear that same tactic a lot with psy-ops dis-info. Obviously, it is an easy-out for not having to show anything real to back it. And these psy-ops people are essentially lazy, and do the same stuff over and over i have often noticed many times.

Greer's comments that tried to denigrate the Open Source community TOOK US ON... trying to make it sound like "his is the only way".

And so he will learn better.

I am pissed off, that Orion gets all kinds of money from good folks who want help end oil, and save this planet. When you take money, show NOTHING for it FOR YEARS, then try to make yourself a "leader", and THEN on top of it, denigrate those who ARE DOING IT FOR FREE, AND ACTUALLY SHOWING THINGS OF VALUE...

... Then it is clear that something is very wrong here.

I await the attacks from the Greer supporters, lol. But know that i would not have done this unless prepared, or that i have not spent a great deal of time and research analyzing this situation we are plagued with here of "psy-ops". i believe the BEST way to fight it, is to confront it directly.

These psy-ops jerks don't scare me at all, and are frankly laughable. They are losers: Their tactics are obvious and so worn out and over-used they SMELL. And imo, something smells pretty bad at Orion Group.

And i don't give a damn who doesn't like me saying it.

Here is a working link to PhysOrg from their April 2010 update article

New water-splitting catalyst found

Notice Dr. Daniel Nocera's statement that energy efficiency has been increased

"One Hundred Fold"

Since the initial announcement 2 years ago.

They have also found more cost-effective and commonly-found catalyst materials for the electrodes; which of course is also very significant.

Suncatalyst (the company Dr. Nocera and others founded)

Sun Catalytix :: Home

I and others have been pushing this several places around the web as "Peer Reviewed Proof of Free Energy".. As a great means of getting the news out, that:

"There really is a better way, we do not have to use oil".

It's not really "free" of course, the cost is "water" (and electrolyte).

But according to those increased figures there is no question that the caloric heat value from burning the produced hydroxy would greatly exceed the electrical energy in Watts to produce it.

And thats what matters

Although, for at least 6 weeks now i have been contacting several of them with this news from M.I.T. that CANNOT BE DEBUNKED ... the corporate-owned mainstream media has so far refused to report on it.

However, this can change in a heart beat, if enough of us start asking them WHY.

Namaste to Dr Nocera, for BRILLIANTLY using the word "Solar" to get grant money and permission for Hydroxy research. He has done us all a great service; and someday he and his team will be recognized for it.

Lol, i bet some schmuck government agency censors and grant coordinator bureaucrats are gonna get fired over this, for being too STUPID to put 2 and 2 together, and not bothering to do their home work

I can't explain just how important this really could turn out to be for us all... Since for over 30 years they have REFUSED to study hydroxy "for some strange reason".

We STILL don't have any university Studies on BURNING it (WHY IS THAT?? )... But at least we now have some Peer-Reviewed data from a HIGHLY PRESTIGIOUS source on producing it efficiently.

Next on the list, is getting the lab of Dr. Rustum Roy at Pennsylvania State University (College Park, PA) to get off their assets on the Dr. John Kanzius work. They have had over 2 years with nothing published on it. We KNOW that there are energy efficient means of producing 13.56 Mhz RF to burn the salt water (which produces an extremely hot flame).... And of course, SO DO THEY.

They really, really, DO NOT want to get caught suppressing the work of a FALLEN HERO who's work was mentioned on the "Sixty Minutes" show. If they have any brains they will publish something meaningful on it soon; or the negative publicity to "Penn State" will cost them PLENTY.

How many kids do you think they can recruit for their university if it is shown they are suppressors of important energy technologies?
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Folks, if you ever start to think that what we do here is "meaningless", "can't change anything", and is "useless"... Remember Dr. Nocera and his team... Who managed to do this despite a hostile aura of suppression all around them. And remember that we are not "alone"... There are MILLIONS of folks who are working to change the energy paradigm on this Planet. WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. All of us can. And we ARE.

[Edit: Sorry for the misspelling of Dr. Roy's name ! ]

Hello Christopher, and welcome. Can you tell us something about your system?

Others have already asked us to vote for theirs; such as Kevin West, who is well known in the genre, with his hydroxy system that is claimed to eventually be able to run a car efficiently 100% on water and electricity (ala Stanley Meyer).

So many of us would be interested in hearing about your submission; with as many specifics as you feel you can safely provide

You guys may have a point, that if he SELECTIVELY open sourced it or cheaply licensed it to those who could handle industrial-sized generation, it would be a good thing. I would certainly agree that this technology should be furthered... Although from what he had told me before, i still have some doubts about being able to replicate it without SERIOUS equipment. Perhaps this has changed, dunno.

And of course, i believe it deserves, and should be required to be

STUDIED OPENLY BY OUR UNIVERSITIES.

But as we see with every other important free energy tech, they refuse to study it. They refuse to report on it in the mainstream media, and they do what ever they can get away with to stop others from pursuing it.

I wonder if University Physics Department Heads; or government bureaucrats in charge of Grants, or Editors of scientific Journals...

Ever feel guilt, and consider themselves "Enemies of Humanity" for the parts they play in maintaining suppression?.... Helping maintain the vast pollution coming daily from fossil fuels. Somehow i doubt they do.

What if this oil leak in the Gulf continues to grow (it is still over TWENTY FIVE thousand barrels a day, not "5" as the mainstream media continues to report despite having the true figures available). What if ends up killing all life in the Gulf, then threatens the Caribbean, the mid Atlantic... The Atlantic Ocean.

Then what if these mainstream science "gate keepers" come to realize, that if they had said:

"NO I WON'T DO IT! WE MUST TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT ENERGY!"

Five years ago... That the oil rig that destroyed the oceans would have never been built.

This is one of the techs i do not complain about not being "Open Sourced"

Imo, there is no way we could do much with Dr. Chukanov's work at home (nor should we try). It requires a huge amount of money to set up and use, and could be very, very dangerous (i mean in "conventional" ways, which are bad enough in this case). It think it would break many local ordinances of your town lol

We would need to create the means of nearly instantly dumping a minimum of 2,000,000 V from caps INTO WATER (which is how he told me he gets those weird Quantum visual effects to start to happen). Lol imagine the fireworks!

We would need a strong pressure chamber and a means of controlling up to 3 million Watts of power, that can contain and survive up to 2,000 deg C heat. We would need a beefy microwave-range oscillator that can push around 25k V / prolly around 200k watts (the RF is what maintains the effect.. lol good luck shielding all that from interfering with the neighbor's TV ).

I don't think this "scales down" much, it needs the huge numbers to create & sustain the Ball Lightening (...lol DO NOT call it "plasma" around him, he is adamant that it is not plasma and that ball lightening is significantly different). In his "COP>8" figure, remember he counts using the generated heat, and even the free Hydrogen that is created. I believe the COP from the generated electricity alone is around "2" to "4".

I remember 2 years ago the Doctor told me he was not experiencing suppression; and was making large deals with utility power corps, and the Canadian government.

A few months later, all the deals were dead and someone was trying to erase all his academic and former career information. Luckily he had proofs of them and plenty of witnesses, but his records were being removed from the schools and places he worked in a lame attempt to discredit him for "lying on his resume".

I remember seeing a "shill campaign" on exactly this going around. Lol it was funny as hell: They sent shills around making these claims that he lied about the schools he attended and the places he worked... But didn't these idiots consider, that these shills had NO WAY of knowing this info? lol. It was just a blatant attempt to discredit him before he made these deals.

Lol, that's why i always tell you folks those clowns are nothing to worry about. Idiots.

They often do crap like that if they cannot discredit the technology. Someday, people are going to go to prison for it, too: The "Nuremberg defense" doesn't work and has been "thoroughly debunked" hehehe

Dr. Chukanov has since changed his mind about there being "no suppressions" i think.

Once you have the electricity, you can make your own Hydrogen (so it may be possible to "loop" it, which i guarantee you won't hear about on MSM TV lol).

"Hydrocarbon fuel" should not be a requirement; carbon shouldn't be needed for a fuel cell reaction at all. Maybe they ARE LOOPING IT to disassociate the H first! After all, it is an awfully big cabinet for such a small stack they claim... Something, anyway, is probably going on in there to crack the fuel before they run it into the membranes.

Despite the drawbacks, i was glad to hear about this one. Every new alternative energy that releases and goes mainstream helps the next that comes along in terms of public acceptance, and gradually instilling the thought that there are BETTER ways than we know and have been taught... it helps prepare people for a REAL free energy device.. It gives them a "taste" for it, and they start to think that the current paradigm is NOT the only, or BEST, way to live

But i did find it interesting that not one word about it being used in "vehicles" was mentioned: Is "60 Minutes" that ignorant; not to ask so elemental a question? I think not

Imo, this one was "allowed" and publicized in the corporate-owned mainstream media only because:

> A deal was made that it be used in stationary applications like businesses, but not in vehicles (at least for many years).

> The price is high enough that many people won't be able to afford the installing costs, nor will we be able to buy one even if we wanted to. Remember that "$3k" figure is a projected one for down the road once they truly mass-produce it, not NOW (it is more likely "$30k" now, or even higher, and i bet their current output of "one per day" is already spoken for with back-orders, for a long, long time to come).

In other words: YOU CAN'T GET ONE.

> It still "requires" a hydrocarbon fuel (the implied message anyway). According to them, it generates electricity at "50%" better efficiency than heating a boiler and running a dynamo would... NOT FREE ENERGY, but a significant improvement in fuel efficiency and pollution.

> It can be "controlled" by making sure they really DON'T mass-produce it in huge enough numbers; or they can build enough just "to look good", and only sell to corporations to LOWER, not ELIMINATE, their grid power requirements. It is important for the status quo that "the grid" remain as the central fact in all future calculations Especially when they are still pretending to debate funding for "Smart Grid" in Congress

> As an all-new tech with a clear provenance, it is "perfect" for the above uses: The Patents should hold up quite solidly in Court, and it cannot be Open Sourced for many years. It may prove to be difficult for us or anyone to Replicate this; because they won't give out the recipe for the "secret sauce". THAT IS IMPORTANT. They do NOT want to initiate a revolutionary new tech, and then lose control of it, so average people may be able be benefit

> IT LOOKS GOOD TO THE MASSES. Makes it look like something "positive" is happening with energy, finally after all the years of B-S and NOTHING AT ALL being done; which even the most hard-core copper-tops were finding "strange".

But that last one may backfire on them, when people realize that they are not allowed to have one after all. Meanwhile folks will have starting thinking that being chained to the grid, and paying a very high secret energy tax to monopoly private utility corporations and energy cartels, is not the only answer.... and is in fact is a form of "slavery".

He could start with Brown's Gas / Hydroxy.. Shown to remove up to 92% of radioactivity from gamma ray-emitting radioactive materials that the hydroxy flame touches.

Very similar results have been seen with LENR / Cold Fusion as well.. "Hot" materials put into close proximity to the Palladium electrodes will lose their radioactivity (which always makes me ponder the relationships between the two; they both can also "transmute elements" which is essentially what the loss of radioactivity is about anyway).

I noticed Intellectual Ventures' Patent Application for the "electromagnetic engine" has not been Approved yet (nor "pulled"). This is the group that he and Nathan Myhrvold started (lol still no mention of that particular device on their site).

I have long been convinced there is a concerted and determined, well funded disinfo and psy-ops operation running in free energy for a long, long time now; just as there is in the "UFO", alternative medicines, and other genres.

Yet it is important to realize that a "witch hunt" that points fingers actually serves their plans better than their own low-life and lame tactics do

I think the key here is to not confuse honestly-held differences in opinion with ulterior motives. And it is an important fact to remember that people profiting from DVD's or books is not automatic proof of anything... However it is a valid reason, imo, for us to examine them from a different light than those who do not attempt to profit. This is also true for those who actively and constantly ask for money, this to me is even more deserving of scrutiny than those who sell things. And the key perhaps, is "what do you get in return for your money?" .. What do we EVER see from these people besides promises?

For instance, in the case of WITTS or Orion Project, i have not heard of anyone getting ANYTHING tangible in return except words. Orion has never given out any information about their "technologies" that has any meaning... And last year they were claiming the "Stanley Meyer Equipment" was in their possession. We now know this was not the truth.... but they certainly used it to fund-raise on. then two months ago, Dr. Steven Greer comes out with a frankly ridiculous and incredulous story that "his" scientist was kidnapped and held hostage by M.I.B.'s in an underground NWO bunker. This story conveniently came out at a time when he was being pressed to explain why "Disclosure" did not happen in October 2009 as he had repeated claimed it would; and why there is absolutely nothing to show regarding the technologies he has talked about raised money for.

I would ask folks this: Why the THE HELL would you tell such a story with absolutely nothing to back it.. EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE!! It only goes to help make the entire genre sound ridiculous. Dr. Greer's calls to make himself the "leader" of the free energy movement are also absurd Lol the last thing we need is a "leader" to make it absurdly easy to have a coup at the top.

But these are ISOLATED INCIDENCES. Not indicative of then entire picture, and have NOTHING TO DO with Open Source Energy. Yet we get tarred with he same brush, with those who are unaware of the full facts. AND THAT IS THE POINT of the ridiculous claims of both Orion and WITTS, imo... They are using a tactic i call "the absurdity gambit".

There is a saying i love repeating, that goes like this: "Put 3 free energy researchers into a room, and ask them what is the best technology to follow, and you will get 4 answers". Meaning there is a lot of room for honest disagreement, and each of us have our own pet projects and technologies. this is the danger we face when talking about this stuff: NOT TO TURN IT INTO A WITCH HUNT, that throws the baby out with the bathwater... And does their work for them.

Having said that, there certainly are dis-info games being played in the free energy genre, and have been for a long time. For instance, the "mylow" affair last year was a professionally-done dis-info "psy-ops" scam. Lol, but what they didn't realize was, it was a failure. If it was designed to embarrass and turn away people from Open Source (as i believe i can prove it was...), it didn't really work as planned

If it had worked, we would have heard a lot more about it.

There are clues and methods of determining these things... They are not as hard to find as many may think

One very obvious thing i will share: All these objective-oriented scams have one Achilles heel: they are projects that require periodic results, and often work on pre-set time tables. At some point, they must prove to their bosses they are "doing something" that is worth the budget and time put into it

Perhaps the best way to combat this is, is to learn to simply laugh at them; and like the shadows they are, they will simply melt away

I heard a bunch of government forum shills recently got fooled by the recent claims of a fake online firm for a "Painless Automatic Foot From Arse Remover" that stated:

"This wonderful new device can pry those size 13 boots from your heiny without any fuss or muss."

And: "No more embarrassment when trying to explain to your angry bosses why there is an implement of footware protruding from your buttocks!"

It then went on to say:

"We know what a hard life your fellows lead, pissing on everything good people are trying to do, then getting completely owned by others who make you look like you just fell off the short buss and landed in the forums with a dark stain in your pants... this new device is the perfect ending to a long day of utter failure at trolling!"

In commercial electronics, it usually takes over a million a year in funding to come up with a new product that is only incrementally better than the last, and is completely "conventional" with very little really "new" in it at all.

But somehow, F-E inventors and researchers working out of their homes are all "frauds" if they don't create a time-traveling DeLorean for $237 in their spare time

This is not the "movies"... No one is being paid to entertain or enlighten anyone here. Those that help themselves and who show effort and interest, receive help and encouragement (we have seen dozens of examples of this in these forums, and it is truly uplifting to see).

Those who want it all to be handed to them like some kind of download containing the secrets of the Universe, and "want it right now", get exactly what they put into it.

Thanks John, much appreciated
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In the interest of "Full Disclosure" :

The article published at Op Ed News, i just discovered today, as a "Quicklink" (a link back to my original "Blogspot", which i had re-submitted it to OEN as last week). I missed it publishing for a couple days because i didn't get the usual email informing me, but i am grateful that OEN did publish it in the end. Maybe they just had to check it out for themselves? Dunno what the delay was about. A small note telling me what was going on over those two weeks of silence would have avoided my above comments that questioned the situation, but again, i am thankful for it publishing there; and glad to see that OpEd News DID NOT "suppress" the re-submitted "quick-link" submission of the "2009: The Year Perpetual Motion Ended" article after all.

Also, today my "commenting" rights were returned there too. So i'm a happy, and "non-suppressed", camper

OpEdNews - Quicklink: 2009: The Year "Perpetual Motion" Ended

Hehehe, no worries m8 i can muddle thru somehow

@ Aaron thx for the info, i've used that one to make clips but didn't realize it was that good. Lol Gates must have bought someone out to get it

@ Rick i will try that, thx bud. It will be little a bit yet gotta alotta stuff goin on now. Lol, but don't worry if i did'nt let you all know when something was ready, i'd be kicked out of the "narcissistic authors club"

Thanks for the very kind words, m8.

That's a great idea Rick, and i think i will try that. I've been putting off learning video creation/editing for years now... i guess in this YouTube world its gonna be a necessary skill to get any kind of serious exposure. Lol, or i could wait until the American Public learns to enjoy reading again ;(

... Anyone recommend a good OPEN SOURCE video editing proggy lol?

Actually, as i recall Ash and Andrew have already covered some of these topics in Panacea's 10 hour giant compendium on Energy Suppression , so i could crib some of their fine work for a portion of it maybe

YouTube - Panacea's Free Energy Suppression production (Part 1, Segment 1 of 53)

This is much like what Bruce DePalma said about the astronaut Edgar Mitchell, in that "Free Energy Another Inconvenient Truth" video: That Mitchell had a transcendental meditation/free energy non-profit foundation in California that was collecting F-E devices in order to shelve them (i guess this was back in the 80's). In that vid, DePalma claimed Mitchell was working for the CIA as a front , and Michell apparently threatened him that if he didn't sell the rights to the N-Machine to his foundation, and DePalma tried to do anything himself with the technology, he "would have his head blown off" (although to be fair, to me it did not appear clear if Mitchell was warning him on general principals to be careful of "MIB's", or actually threatening him himself).

Who knows if this was true, by some accounts Dr. DePalma was very ill for several years before his death. However, he did clearly make the accusation in that video.

Edgar Mitchell has been in the news several times in the last few years regarding UFO disclosure stuff; he was interviewed on mainstream media radio over 100 times for this; a rather unique distinction, as these were mainstream outlets usually during prime-time driving times; and not the "fringe" radio shows late at night. Lol no "suppression" against him, it would seem

I'm sorry but as soon as i heard Dr. Greer's report on this a few weeks ago the hairs on the back of my neck stood up; and i frankly do not believe any of it. I would love to be wrong here lol... But i seriously doubt that. And Sterling's involvement now does not exactly "clinch" it for me either

Something (many things actually) is/are not right here.

As Ted suggests, this is NOT how such a thing would work. First, Disclosure of F-E would come from a University or institute of some kind, not a guy known for UFO studies. Next, the supposed suppression/incarceration would be glossed over or totally unmentioned; it sounds way too wacky to begin with... Lol if the government tried this method for disclosure, they would run the risk of no one believing it!!

Hehehe that would be ironic as hell

Third, if the government is involved, they would have significant backing from other places and a well-rehearsed plan to make it all look plausible, not like a poorly-written Sci-Fi novel done on the fly. The press releases would come in a carefully chosen specific order, with probably several related technologies coming out in succession; each leading to the next in a progression. But the key would be, making it look plausible and "normal", and not completely conspiratorial and frankly unbelievable.

You know what i think: Our enemies are running scared and pulling out all the stops... Pulling any kind of silliness that they can possibly get away to sucker folks in and then use our "gullibility" to later discredit the entire subject of F-E . And this one IS SILLY, and if i may say, it reached the point of being RIDICULOUS.

Lol nice try, you schmucks.

Let's carefully note who tries these gambits: They are burning their bridges now in desperation, because folks, this one is really "OUT THERE"

Good people can be duped by liars and by professionally-done disinfo scams; and i truly hope this is the case for Steven Greer and Sterling Allen, should this story not prove to be the "truth".

Your very welcome, M8. May you have great successes this year, and may the mainstream scientific community FINALLY openly study Meyer's work for themselves, vindicating all your fine work, and the great work of many others!

The article published now at Dandelion Salad:



@Aaron, yes good points. What a strange world we live in now; when our Judges can get away with stating that the corporate-owned mainstream media can manipulate, lie about, and suppress the News all they like without any sanctions

My latest article on this subject, "self-published" this time

Jibbguy's Blog: 2009: the Year that Perpetual Motion Ended

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Lol, i finally pushed the envelope beyond range it seems regarding my former publisher "Op Ed News", who didn't reject it exactly, but for the last 7 days haven't acknowledged they even got the submission of the above article, or answered my message regarding it. I'm not calling that "suppression" exactly, but it could be possible. Considering that all kinds of "911", "UFO", anti-government / "NWO", alternative medicine, and virtually any type of "Truth" articles imaginable have been regularly published there in the past; it is kinda strange though. And they could have simply sent me a Rejection email (and the usual automated Acknowledgment email response stating it was received and being considered), if they didn't think it was "worthy". I am hoping this doesn't mean that the site is "Under New Management".

But it's their site, and they have the right to publish what they want to. No hard feelings to Rob. If something "odd" really is going on there, he is most likely a victim of it too.

Wonderful job Laurent, thanks for sharing your information!

I've had my eye on Marine high-current alternators for a long time now (they can be gotten with outputs of "200 amps" or more). They are usually PM, and as you stated, they have heavier-duty bearings and are built to take the environment. "West Marine" is a possible source for them in the U.S. , although it should be possible to get them cheaper

Also, here in Florida there are several "boat salvage yards"; with old abandoned craft or boats with damaged hulls wrecked in past hurricanes (and regular junk yards here often have boats for salvage too). These are good spots for finding one "used" (... also for getting Stainless tubing, and battery switches/charging control panels/meters, BTW). I know there's one in the St. Petersburg area, and there used to be one in Dania near Ft. Lauderdale. Look for a wrecked sailboat that is 30 foot or longer, they are the ones more likely to have the high current PM alternators needed to run the boat's DC freezer/fridge and charge batts simultaneously when under power.