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Jetijs

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Allcanadian wrote:


Then Jetijs said:


He obviously didn't bother to follow the link to their website and see that big old machine in the graphic behind almost every page of text.

AC
Looked at the links again. There is no picture of a machine. Or do you mean that bottling conveyor in the design graphic?

Here is that picture:
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Looks like a bottling machine to me

And here is the original:
Drinks Production Plant In China Stock Photo 166130981 : Shutterstock
Hi all.
I have not read the links but if aluminum and mercury is involved then I suppose the explanation is simple. There are many youtube videos where you can see what mercury does to aluminum, it dissoves into it like aluminum was a spnge and mercury was water. This makes the aluminum lose its ability to make oxide and protect itself from water. Then it reacts with water leaving aluminum oxide or something, but releasing hydrogen, just as john_g said. The same can be done using gallium which is liquid at about 30 degree celsius but is non toxic. But it is rather expensive. The best part is that the gallium or mercury which ever you use, is not consumed in the process and can be recollected after the reaction, but it is juts very hard to seperate it out from all that gunk. That is the only problem. I experimented with this on a very small scale few years ago and it works. There are other methods, for example by using NaOH or KOH, these chemicals will make the water extremely alkaline and will eat off the aluminum oxide layer as it forms, but in this case yje leftover gunk will be more complex mix and the KOH or NaOH will still be consumed, so you need two consumables instead of just one when mercuty or gallium is used. Hope this helps.

Urine Powered Generator

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That does not look too thrustworthy. Having made dozens of hho cells I think I can surely say, that those small bubbles I see in the bubbler is nowhere near enough hho or hydrogen to power that engine. If so, then why has the generator the gas tank on and not removed? Also, I have experimented with lots of different electrolytes and so far most of them damage the stainless steel electrodes in the cell, especially salt. Nothing works as well as distilled water + KOH or NaOH. Tap water quiclky destroys the electrodes because of the high mineral content, urine has even more minerals in ir. I am sure that this device works on gasoline and uses some of the electricity to convert urine into hydrogen that gets back into the engine giving it a little boost, but nowhere near as much as the energy needed to convert urine into hho. That is like putting a hho booster on your car and saying it runs on water.
Another way of making such healing water in the way similar to the natures way is a magtrap in a vortex tube:


The water moves in a vortex fashion at high speeds. There are some magnets on that vertical piece of acrylic. The water moves past those magnets at high speeds and of course current is induced in it since water is a conductor. This creates electrolysis in small scale and ionization. Positive and negative ions do not have the same density or weight, so the centrifugal action separates them one from another. The positively charged water gets thrown out on the outer walls of the tube and the negatively charged water gets collected from the center of the tube. As you can see in my video, negatively charged water has high PH up to 11. High PH makes the dissolved minerals in the water to become solid again and makes the water misty, those minerals settle down after a while. Most people that uses such mag traps confirm this. So where does this happen in nature? Easy, the planet is a big magnet with its N and S pole, this is the source of magnetism. And if any water in nature is moving at all, some very small currents will be induced in it from this filed, since if a conductor moves past a magnetic field, current will be induced. This is the global source of water ionization - earths magnetic field and water movement. The faster the water moves, the more it ionizes. And the vibration can be anything from sounds to even light which is also nothing more than a vibration at a certain wave length. Why does earth move? Because of the same principle, we have earths magnetic field and we have earths electric field between the ionosphere and the earth itself. Ionosphere is constantly being charged up from the cosmic ray bombardment and the energy from the sun. It always discharges itself to the earth more or less steadily, faster in lightning storms because the dielectric of our big capacitor is more conductive at those times and places. But basically it discharges more or less steady. This means that there is a more or less steady charged particle flow from ionosphere to earth and this, combined with earths magnetic field, makes the earth rotate. It is the very same principle of how a DC motor works. If we have two magnets and a wire between them, then if the wire will be carrying charged particles, it will be thrown out of the magnetic field of the magnets:



But it is not the wire that gets thrown out, it is the charged particles that move in and around the wire and they just take the wire with them. It is not important what the medium is, as long as there will be a charged particle flow perpendicular to magnetic field, there will be motion. Here how it works in water and it is called the magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) effect:

Magnetohydrodynamic Pump Demonstration - YouTube

The same works in air. So the earth is but a giant electric motor with its magnetic field:

and its electric field:

And those two fields are more or less perpendicular at equator and almost vertical at the poles:

In these conditions the earth has no other option as to spin, like those small homopolar motors. Wasn't it Tesla, that said that the earth is nothing but a motor?
This also explains the main global wind directions and the ocean currents and many many more things.


It is certainly some food for thought.
So as for experiments, I will get an ultrasonic transducer and a driver for it, they come at about 50$ on ebay with powers of 30-60w. I will use my water ionizer and vibrate that water using that transducer and the see what the water does, if it burns, if it mixes with fuel and so on. Many fifferent frequencies will have to be tried. Also I will try to replicate the proposed experiment by Joseph Cater. Will see what this does. Anyway I think that the concept is solid and straight forward.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Jetijs

Hello all.
I have realized recently how water can be structured and it is really simply in fact as all things in nature should be. Have you seen those joecell videos where Joe himself shows how he makes charged water burn? Have you seen those documentaries about Masaru Emoto's works where this one guy shows how he adds 20 percent structured water to 79 percent diesel fuel and 1 percent of emulsifying agent and then drives his truck with that? He also claims that the engine has a lot more power on that fuel mix. Have you seen a video where those two Russian professors show how a drop of diesel fuel in a glass of structured water makes the whole mix burnable? I mean this is a ratio of 1:1000 at least? Have you seen the video of Daveys water heater where he boils the water in a second or so and uses very much power to do so. I am sure you have seen the famous Kanzius video where he shows how the water burns with a red flame when put near some powerful electromagnetic waves in high frequency? Sounds impressive, because it is. Most of this can be easily explained with the concept I propose. Nobody ever tells how exactly do they make this magic structured water, they just show what can be done with it. But as I say, it is very simple. So lets get down to business.

At first we must understand two basic concepts - ionization and vibration. Lets start with water ionization.

Water can be ionized or charged negatively and positively. More on this you can read on this topic:
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Using two electrodes immersed in water and an ion membrane between them this can be achieved quickly and easily. You just need to apply some 200-300V DC to the electrodes. Electrolysis will happen, you will see hydrogen production on the negative plate and oxygen production on the positive plate. But that is not all, the water molecules are also broken apart in liquid form turning into all kinds of water ions, which always have a charge, positive or negative. The water containing mostly negatively charged ions will stay around the negative electrode and the water containing mostly positive ions will stay around the positive electrode. The membrane between electrodes is used so that the two waters don't mix together and lose the charge.
Positively charged ions, for example H3O+ look like this:


Negatively charged ions, for example OH- look like this:


There is a great website where these and other anomalous properties of water are researched and papers published. Lots of great info there, including all this.
Water structure and science: Contents

It has already been proven that water ions tend to cluster together among themselves and ordinary water molecules. For example here is how a cluster of several H3O ions looks like:


And this is how one OH- ion clusters together with several H2O molecules:


Here are several ways of how water ions and molecules can cluster together in basic scale:


Even something like this may form:


Here is a quote form the same web page:
Such a fluctuating self-replicating network of water molecules, with localized and overlapping icosahedral symmetry, was first proposed to exist in liquid water in 1998 and the structure subsequently independently found, by X-ray diffraction, in water nanodrops in 2001. The clusters formed can interconvert between lower and higher density forms by bending, but not breaking, some of the hydrogen bonds. Structuring may also flicker between statistically and topographically equivalent clusters but involving different molecules by shifting their cluster centers. As the temperature increases the average cluster size, the cluster integrity and the proportion in the low-density form all decrease.
Scientists have modeled various ways of how these clusters could form and grow, here is one for example:

And these in turn can form strands and so on:


So a structure can be established only if there is high enough ionized water molecule count in the water. No structures will form in pure water with only H2O molecules in it. Ionization is needed.

No lets go to the next fundamental concept, the concept of vibration and how these vibrations create standing waves because standing waves are important. So what is a standing wave? Here is a great video that explains the concept and fundamentals on standing waves:
Standing Waves Part I: Demonstration - YouTube
You can see that at the right frequencies the string has areas on it where the vibration amplitude is very high and some spots where there is almost no motion. But this happens only at right frequency that is matched with the string length. Here is how this same concept works on salt grains on a vibrating plate:
Cymatic experiment - YouTube

The plate sits on a solenoid that moves it up and down at high frequency. The plate is not rigid enough and is bend a little bit and these bends travel within the plate bending it constantly in a small amplitude and of course shaking all the salt grains on the surface. As in the previous video, there are areas on the plate where the amplitude is great and all the salt grains get thrown away from those places, also there are spots where both the incoming and the outgoing waves cancel each other out and there is almost no motion on those spots so the salt grains tend to pile up on these spots. Since the plate is in a square form, it forms different geometric patterns as the frequency is changed, this is because the wave speed is the same, but it must travel longer distance to the corners of the plate than to the sides. Also as the frequency increases, the pattern becomes finer and finer and more complex. So the frequency and the shape of the plate determines what structure you will have on the plate.
This happens in any medium, be it aether, air or water. Here is how it looks on large scale in a water reservoir:
Making standing waves - YouTube

if the waving frequency is adjusted to the reservoir length, you get a standing wave.
This is how it works on much smaller scale - on a drop of water:
silver heptagon secret - YouTube
Harmonic waves - YouTube
hexagon 19 flower of life standing wave.mp4 - YouTube

So those are the two basic fundamental concepts you need to know to understand how water can be structured. Now lets put them together.
Imagine that you have a sack of glass marbles. They are round and do not stick to each other. If you put that sack in a square box, it will take the shape of the box. But when you remove the box, the marbles will fall down and the shape can not be maintained. They just don't stick to each other. The same happens with water, if you have pure water H2O without ionization, you can put it on a speaker and play a sound tone to it, it will induce standing waves in the water and as the sound plays, the water will have a structure that depends on the container size and shape where the water is in and on the sound frequency. But as the sound stops, water just spots waving and the structure falls apart. So what can we do to "glue" those molecules together when the sound is played so that they maintain that structure or cluster even when the sound is off? We can ionize the water, because water ions are the "glue" that enables and maintains water clusters. So to make structured water we just need to combine those two components - ionization and vibration. Depending on the frequency of the vibration, you will get larger or smaller water clusters with different shapes. One frequency might make the cluster in a icosahedron form, another frequency might make a cube form cluster. It depends on the frequency and the container size and shape.

So where have we seen these two concepts work hand in hand? The same Kanzius video, see it here:
John Kanzius' Water Fuel Cell - YouTube

He uses electromagnetic waves to structure the water. An oscillating magnetic field will always induce a current in a conductor and what is water if not a conductor. An electric current in water will create electrolysis and thus water ionization, so we now have the building blocks that make up the structure and clusters. So where is the vibration? The vibration comes from the electromagnetic waves themselves. Kanzius just shoot two birds with one shot. He uses a frequency of 13.56MHz, that would be a wavelength of 22,109 meters. Only the wavelength is important, not the frequency, because the frequency varies depending on the medium. For example sound in water medium would need to be at 72.36Hz to achieve the same wavelength as radiowaves at 13.56MHz. So a proposed experiment would be a container full with ionized water (positive, negative or both) containing a source of sound vibrations, for example an insulated speaker that plays a tone at 72.36Hz. This in theory should assign the water the same structure that Kanzius uses to make the water burn.
Another example - Davey water heater:
Peter Davey's Sonic Resonance Boiler - 02.2008 - YouTube

He also has electrolysis occurring in his device and he also has vibration at mains frequency using specially tuned spheres to achieve resonance or should we say a standing wave between these spheres?

Another example. Do you remember Joseph Cater with his awesome ideas and suggestions? One of such was this one:


He proposes such a device will generate large amounts of electricity that exceeds the one you put in it. Also here we have the same fundamental concepts. The container has tow electrodes immersed in water through which a DC current flows. This, of course, creates electrolysis and ionization. He also has an ultrasonic transducer on the container that is the source of the vibration. So how can this work? Only if there is a particular structure of water that can be achiever on those ultrasonic frequencies that makes the water release the energy from where ever, maybe aether itself.

Lets go a bit further. We know that negatively charged water is beneficial to humans, more on this you can read here:
Alkaline Water and ORP Explained

One way to make such a water is electrolysis with a ion exchange membrane between electrodes. I made such a device that ionizes and separates the charged waters:
Charged water maker - YouTube
About the radioactivity, I think anyone with a hho torch can verify this by taking apart a smoke detector and remove its radioactive americium button. Then get a cheap geiger counter and measure the radioactivity. Then melt that button down and measure it again.

Help wanted

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Hi
316 grade steel produces almost no brown sediment, 304 grade does, so 316 is the way to go. This is called conditioning, after a while if you change the electrolyte regularly, there will be no brown sediment anymore, the plates will become a bit yellowish, but that is ok. As far as I know those sediments are loosely attached steel/iron particles that get thrown away in electrolysis process.
The vapor or smoke is electrolyte vapor with high HHO content. If you smell it, it will have a sharp smell and burn your nose. To get rid of it use a secondary bubbler with an airstone, this will leave all the electrolyte in the water of the secondary bubbler and there will be no smoke whatsoever from the gas leaving the secondary bubbler.
As for the voltage drop, I guess your power supply is not able to handle that much power thus the voltage drop. A battery can supply high powers, but apparently your power supply can't.
Hope this helps,
Jetijs
This is indeed a mindblowing book. I suggest everyone to read it. If anyone is interested, I have a digitized version of this book (Vol1) PM me and I will give you the link.

hho heater plans for sale

#14 ·

Hi Rick,
I did not try that out, because my goal was to heat water, not air. This one heats air. Also I forgot to mention that extra heat is coming from the electrolyzer cells. The electrolyte is being pumped around the cells and a radiator. This also adds to the overall heat production
Jetijs

hho heater plans for sale

#12 ·

Hi all
A friend of mine bought those plans in the beginning of summer. I had a look at them and found nothing special about all that. Those plans do not have any special additional info other than that you can already see in the video. You just build a hho cell, power it with a computer power supply, make a hho flame and direct it in the center of a bunch of copper pipes pressed together. There is a small fan that circulates the air through those pipes, cooling them and heating the air in the same time. The heat from the power supply (as low as it might be) sums up with the heat of hho torch. That's all there is. If you are truly interested in this, you can find all the info in the video. No need to trow away the money in buying those plans.
Hi Matt
A some years ago I tried this selfrunning circuit:



It is basically a standard Bedini SSG circuit but with a recovery coil connected. The recovery coil stays open all the time per revolution excpet this one moment where the neo magnet triggers the reedswitch, this in turn turns the relay on and the relay disconnects the SSG circuit from the primary battery and connects the primary battery to the recovery coil, so that the recovery coil discharges into the primary battery. The recovery coil should have many windings so that it can produce at least 30V across bridge rectifier when put near the spinning magnets of SSG. The more the better. Then, if you leave the coil open and connect it to the battery only at correct timing, you will get HV across the coil around up to 2000V. If you do this switching right, there will be no additional drag on the wheel and the primary battery wont lose its charge or might even charge up. I did not try to recover the energy from the secondary battery, if all that recovered energy would also be transfered to the primary battery, then the results could be much better. The think is that the battery does not like to be charged and discharged constantly at high rates and it eventually dies. But since you have nothing to lose, you can try it My experiment was very crude, a better switching could be used for better results.

Workings of the gray tube

#9 ·

Good point about vacuum. Guys that are working on Gray tubes, use water spark circuit and this circuit is makes a spark different from an ordinary spark. An ordinary spark will get weaker and weaker as the air/gas pressure goes up. But water spark goes bigger in intensity when using higher pressures. Here is a video that demonstrates it:
YouTube - compression presssure intensifies plasma spark