S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
Started by unknown · · 128 posts · last reply 24 August 2025
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#76 · date not recorded
Can Radiant energy pass THROUGH a spark gap and on through series circuit , if it's in a small vacuum chamber? There is way less dissipation into ambient air, and the energy may be useful downstream. In 2005-2008, A sealed extreme high efficient vacuum dual coils relay , as originally for an electrical 60 cycles traffic signals pole box, was used with engine experiments, to generate more efficient hydrogen gas from water. The engines would run with spark plug electrolysis, but only with the special relays applied to pass both high voltage and 7amps current! (not used for a relay purpose, but for contacts, diodes and inductors) I recently built one with Carlon sealable 4" box, vacuum gauge, valve, and Tesla spark gap with magnets, 1.75millihenry coils, diodes, cap and hand vacuum pumper tool. Not tested yet.
See one of Nathren's / S1R engines running,- S1R9A9M9 You tube videos 1+2. It was started with battery. Battery disconnected. Engine ran on the 12 magnet alternator , - self running sustained with 10amp draw. The high V. came in exactly after the cathode of diode inbetween the 2 series coils, then spark plug. The 4 technicians in Georgia called them "The Magic Relays". The web forum shut down. They never figured out the secret! -
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I just wanted you to understand here about this 100v as another added in requirement for the Briggs water engine. The original web forum in Georgia started with the car engine conversions and the paragraph was about the car engine fender test (60turns coil test). 60 turns wire over steel core and also on the heavy THICK insulation of car plug wire. 12v DC through coil to series amp gauge reads 20 amps to an electrical load. When high volts fires, it induces reactance ohms into coil that reduces the current to 12 amps. (on + off 20 to 12A) There was no statement as to why it was done. We also know that there is about 100 volts induced into the low volts line. Now,,,,, on the mower engine, the S1R9A9M9 triple coils electromagnet has BARE copper wire that induces 100v into regular insulated hook up wire. Because of no insulation, the other coil is NOW ONLY 6-7 turns. I meter measured this several times with high volts pulses, and we always get about 100v transfer leakage induction with less or just some insulation. The Bare does occasionally short, regular insulation also occasionally shorts, 30kv insulation has no transfer, I am now using 10kv China white cable for tests and it should give 100v. This may be how the 3 tech people got their 100v on 4cyl tractor, 4cyl, 6cyl, (2) v8 cars, v8 engine stand, mower engine, and with diodes added, for the tiny electrodes for spark plug DC electrolysis. Either that, or a 2nd separate wound transformer was used as earlier mentioned. -
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Nathren and the 3 tech people in Georgia , 2005-2019, used the brand name (Power On Board), for the 3 types of inverters they used. 750Watt, 400Watt and I just ordered the other one called 150W as the plug in types for cigarette lighter.( DC to 120v AC) The small one may be important because,, with the outer plastic casing removed, The switching transistor circuit would FIT INSIDE the plastic deli tub on side of Briggs 18HP. Remember, 100 volts is also required to add to the low voltage main power and 6-10 amps, as going to spark plug along with the high voltage. There is a starting mode where flywheel turns slowly, and engine idling mode at faster RPMS. At both modes , the 100v is required and as DC with bridge rectification. Series current limiter resistor also put in, as it is not the main power source.
My other idea was to hook up a tiny PC Board type miniature relay with 2 sets of contacts, with 12v DC coil, to act as a vibrator with capacitor added. Nathren had said in the web forum, that there was no capacitor in his circuit! He however, being non-technical person , may have meant "condenser" , as a play on words! Sen me your comments and questions. I will try to keep you updated. -
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The 2 insulated wires used in the S1R coils assembly were taken by Nathren from a used harness of riding lawn mower chassis. This is the exact same. I know, since I bought the Briggs harness for reference. #14 gauge insulated stranded wires as red and Gray. He even mounted a USED steel nail, as it was bent. (see photo). My contention is still, that the joint on the S1r coils had 3 wires together. When Nathren tore off the 3rd wire to take unit in house for picture, he used knife instead of proper "wire stripper cutter". The proper tool makes a clean straight cut, not leaving frayed copper wire ends exposed. You must refer again - see- the blow-up photo and see the angle BACKWARDS of "folded" Gray + red colored wires. The 3rd one sticks straight out frayed . The thickness of the tape wrapping is also too large also for just 2 wires. When the other take apart video started , he placed unit on table , as same one with BENT nail. The joint was changed beforehand , so as the public would not see the 3rd stub wire fall out during the take apart video.
The other notion had to do with him saying that the Inverter box could not be used with the S1r coils. It would just bog down and quit. That there assumes he had already tested the Inverter on the Briggs engine. He just LEFT the Inverter disconnected and the extension cord ,in the background of the 2 videos , instead of removing them before hand. The brown extension cord as a "Y" is also there connected to ground. The cord would act as a very LONG wire when you bridge together the male plug end with wire jumper or metal piece. I spent a very long time on this stuff. This hook up with extension cord is same as was used on all the car engines. Return line direct to ground under spark plug, not through an engine casting. - Helps with the time in milliseconds and lower resistance.
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#80 · date not recorded
the several statements made by Nathren and Nathren's son Nathren, is that all earlier CONVERTED car engines were readjusted for timing to A T D C to about negative 34 degrees , as that approximate point allowed the engines to run smoother and provided water vapor pressure as a secondary force on piston, as generated at the lower end of piston travel. On the 18HP mower engine , the 13 turns wire over steel core section WITH the cable, as electromagnet provided magnetic field on the high volts cable and caused the spark time to be extended in milliseconds. He said to add more or less turns , so as to get the best setting for running engine. My own improvement design over his S1R9A9M9 coils assembly was to make the adjustment variable by varying amount of core under #14 wire + cable, as a pull handle. (Like turning loosened distributor on car engine) Hydrogen gas used in standard engine requires way late timing . I also increased the number of turns as per ratio change required, when changing from original 10 A current to 6 A current, to maintain the same magnetic field level. . Car engines are 4 cycle as well as the Briggs engine, but it has waste spark cycle that does no harm to a running engine.
Each engine will run slightly different and a blanket statement cannot be made, as they all will require adjustment in different timing points. Nathren had made statement as to the available special degrees flywheel keys as used for different timing on Briggs engines. They all , however, are only for the small Briggs animal racing engine flywheels. I don't think he knew that. The Georgia technicians did not modify Briggs factory timing, other than adding magnetic field. I just assumed they were too lazy to machine a curved aluminum , slotted, mounting plate for Magnetron, as for being adjustable timing thereafter with screws and nuts repositioning.
I am presently testing my latest S1R coils as 10kv cable included, rather than bare wire or insulated hook up wire, or 30Kv cable, so as for getting a constant recurring 100v leakage transfer without shorting. The wooden flywheel arrangement with Briggs ignition works well with series inductor coil and diodes. Later, I will blend in DC current to spark plug with water solution and protective diodes section. The water solution presents ohms resistance and would raise up the input voltage required, as also tiny electrodes.
One of the original web forum paragraphs by Nathren , said in broken words, that there were other parts than the S1R coils in the plastic tub on side of mower engine!!!!!!! This was when he and son stopped saying anything more their set up as too much attention was received, and non-knowledgeable people had gotten hurt trying to duplicate his engine set up.
When the man, "Smack ", showed up, at his property after 1000 miles driving, the episode was on video tape and we could see what was going on. The wiring on failed running 18HP was not done the same as during the 2 successful You tube videos of 2008.
The Nathren back porch engine test was wrong also, as he was attempting to run engine with S1R coil as in induction type mode,- not with current output going direct to spark plug as needed. In one of the published answers to people's questions, way back in time, he said the output 12v current wire WAS CONNECTED to spark plug . (not repeated again)
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#81 · date not recorded
2008 S1R9A9M9 Georgia Water Engine
I have some more tech data for you to consume. See also sheet Inverter output described by A I.
I finally figured out why the green 400watt Inverter was not used. It was used OK on all previous car engines. Statement said it bogged down and quit as the attempt on operating Briggs 18HP. The You tube videos showed unit in background only, unconnected with clips on ground. It was placed there to mislead public. The engine started and ran in both videos. Previous MULTI CYLINDERS engines had used majority of wattage from 400W Inverter. The one cylinder mower engine required less watts power. The tech people used the brand power on board for 750W and 400W inverters. A MUCH SMALLER SIZE INVERTER FOR 110V AC WAS PURCHASED JUST FOR THE VIDEOS. The way "small" box fits in rear hole of cement block during the demonstrations. The 400W box does not!! The engine vertical shaft is in same hole rotating with great clearance from box. (box 3.3" X 3.3"300Watts) (They could of put the larger Inverter box in depression at ground level with cement block on top.) The demonstrations were keeping people from knowing all. Parts were not exposed. Parts were purposely kept in sealed plastic tub and also spray painted to keep eyes out. The Inverter pre made, allows the required 100 volts , due to the tiny electrodes of spark plug. The 10 amps initially came from car battery, then once engine running idle, battery removed, then the double alternators took over to run the conversion circuit.
Dual alternators with just full wave rectification , without voltage regulator, provides higher volts and about 14.5 amps output capability.
Here goes-- The positive battery cable clip touches starter terminal to run starter motor. Separate wire is also there going behind engine through diode. The input to inverter in cement hole, attaches to cathode side of diode. The diode prevents alternator from running starter. The alternator DC runs Inverter also, when battery removed.
The S1R9A9M9 electromagnet provided magnetic field over ignition cable ( bare copper section) to form late timing from zero to about minus 34 degrees. The amps came from battery, then alternator DC at idle speed. Resistor in tub to limit current for S1R coils. The plastic tub connections needed for ground came from the exterior extension cord that was modified for extra long single wire to ground , and jumping the male end plug.
The S1R coils is 100% on all the time to keep magnetic field at spark plug in-between firings. The power pulses to spark plug is on + off about 34% for ON duty cycle. (Flywheel going around 360 degrees)
Plastic covered tub on side of Briggs engine contains S1r coils electromagnet, resistor, bridge rectifier for dual alternators, bridge rectifier for Inverter output, wire connectors, accessory spark gap, and wire joint putting output amps together with high volts going to modified zero ohms Champion spark plug.
All previous car engines had 2 spark gaps in main circuit. The distributor rotor firing gap and spark plug gap. It helps to insure the plug fires rather than misfire.
Mineral water was used for running mower engine with salt added that came from creek on the Georgia property.
The dangerous ignition high voltage was on car battery only during the starting mode. (No series diodes protection bank)
I was stalled, hung up , for long time on the 100volts source, power current means, difference between peak and average current, and higher high ignition volts.
I found it greatly interesting to use the old style large clip clip board with mechanical pencil/eraser, printer blank paper, to form diagrams and notes over long period of time . I have many titled folders on different subjects related to the S1r project. (half cup of coffee helps)
I will later be working on separate circuit to remove the waste spark cycle of Briggs engine. one and zero up counter IC and reset using Hall Effect sensor.
Your comments will be appreciated.
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#82 ·
The waistspark delete is what i have done many years ago.....
Its not that complicated. If you need help on that, i can trie to find some info.. -
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It's my current assumption that the conversion circuit of S1R9A9M9 2008 lawn mower water engine 18HP on You tube videos, had used a hidden "small dimension size" Inverter box, about 300-500watts , that was INSIDE the rear hole of cement block with engine on top . Plenty of clearance also for the vertical rotating crankshaft. The other parts were hidden in sealed, painted plastic tub , hanging on side of engine. we could see. Therefore, the Inverter power source was hidden also, so as after the battery was completely disconnected, the engine conversion circuit ran off of the alternator installed under the flywheel. The Briggs stator of yellow+ yellow wires is capable of 20amps dc current. The ignition only operates during about 34% of flywheel turning, so as the wattage from Inverter box is reduced by 34% also. So as current delivered in DC pulses was 6-7-10 amps DC., The hidden Inverter box was being operated in the upper region called "SURGE current" which these boxes are capable of. The pure sine wave type output boxes give much higher surge currents, than the modified sine wave type which is square wave pulses waveform on an oscilloscope. Remember the significance of the very low duty cycle. So now you know. The 400watt green Inverter shown in videos,was not used-, not hooked up, not because it couldn't run the engine, but because it was too big to hide in cement block. The conversion circuit required about 100 volts and current same time. The other S1R9A9M9 electromagnet provided the magnetic field to change the timing to extend to negative late timing, and also provide required field for the tips of spark plug. The high voltage cable hooked to the heavy current same time as going to the zero ohms spark plug. Hydrogen gas evolved and fired along with generation of water vapor pressure.
7amps X 110v = 770watts times .34 duty cycle flywheel usage, = 260 watts or less drawn power , plus the electromagnet current . Both draws are capable of the on board changed alternator. The black+ black wires Briggs alternator is the exact same low ohms as the yellow yellow. Just get the cheapest one. The 500W pure sine wave Inverter is about $40 called LVYUAN painted blue color. from US EBay shipping. Outer size 3.75" wide by 7.8" depth - IT FITS very loose in cement block, or 300W red LVYUAN 3 1/4" by 3 1/4" size. -
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2008 Mower engine ran on salt water.
Closing in on the final conversion electrical circuit as used during the successful demonstrations 18HP Briggs on YouTube. The hand wired S1R9A9M9 electromagnet on 10amps provided magnetic field to spark plug gap and OVER the plug wire to readjust the engine timing to late timing ATDC. The duty cycle of on time was for the current pulse through spark plug of needed 7amps PEAK.
There was a separate Inverter box of about 300watts that provided the current at 110v DC to fire plug. Use was about only 150 watts, due to the low duty cycle. Average value of current on hand meter would be about 2 amps, for the 10amps peak. The box was hidden in rear hole of cement block with engine shaft. (plenty of clearance.) Other parts hidden in sealed plastic tub on side of engine.
The car battery operated starter motor and also the electrical conversion circuit. Battery removed. The modified Briggs alternator with flywheel with the larger type magnets would provide max 20amps as divided between the electromagnet and inverter box primary side. Engine then ran fully on alternator permanent magnets at idle RPM . Can use black + black wires stator or yellow + yellow stator as are both Exact same construction. Hydrogen gas evolved and fired with also water vapor pressure that runs the piston. See S1R9A9M9 videos 1 + 2. Questions? -
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My main concern is the Briggs mower engine of 2008. The car conversion circuit was already given and told about the 400W Inverter to 110v AC. There was an absolute need for 100volts to spark plugs. The circuit for all car engines used same Inverter. The drawing showed about 35 Volts DC based on half wave rectification.( About 34% of transformer 110vac output) Power flowed through several diodes and 2 Inductor coils before plugs. (Relays per cylinder) All they did was change away from full wave rectification 110v FOR general public, so circuit would not work. All the rest was OK!
I had fully determined the interior of vacuumed relay with Inductors as 1.75mh as 21 gauge wire, .6ohm each. Wound 3/4" by 1 3/4" each of (2)
The lawn mower plastic tub of parts was painted - covered. Therefore, the Briggs 18HP needed a HIDDEN INVERTER BOX as smaller! I measured 300W box as fits in hole of cement block with way clearance for main engine shaft. I already showed you the wires for the Briggs conversion going into and out of plastic tub to spark plug and the source means for a ground wire.
I was wrong about the tap stub extra wire on S1R coils. See.... I can admit it! Only 2 wire ends used, and hooked to ground through resistor as electromagnet only , and on all the time for magnetic field. Separate power from battery, then alternator DC. 12v.
I am presently doing formulas with computer Chatgpt for on time spark plug milliseconds, and duty cycle, as referenced to the total power draw from source alternator as divided between the S1R electromagnet and Inverter 12vdc input. Max 20 amps total, as the Briggs 18HP was self powered by the yellow+yellow wires alternator 12 permanent magnets, hydrogen generated and fired, and water vapor pressure. (Spark plug electrolysis)
I need you to question me about certain datas related to S1R project so we can be at the same level. Do you understand about the special relays used on cars and unusual way how they were used? THE RELAY SIZE DOES FIT IN THE PLASTIC TUB! Did you see the wires on the Briggs engine? Did you see that only 13 turns of S1R coil is electromagnet because of underneath steel core? The number of turns of core section determines the duty cycle of pulse firing ON TIME. Nathren told us to vary as per best engine setting. You must also see 2 types of Briggs flywheel magnets as large and small regular as seen on Ebay. Mine purchased used as large magnets (more power) from 16HP engine. You can see the difference in size and distance between magnets is different.
I did highly accurate test on the 2 highest rated Briggs plastic Ring stators and they are EXACTLY THE SAME. BLK + BLK wires or Yel + Yel wires. 20amp rated as used with large magnets. -
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I'm changing my methodology of hook up to my 12HP mower engine. Instead of designing for full 20A alternator output to run the conversion circuit, I am changing over to bench "power source"
to run main circuit with the under the wooded bench engine vertical shaft for car 52A alternator , belts and pulley, to recharge 12v mower battery. This method fully allows no shorting-
electrical problem of Inverter box ground and battery ground. This is what hindered many people before, and I want a better chance of instant running of water engine when 1st started.
Project has taken too long.
Return line to Inverter hooks to wire and spring steel retainer clip on bottom of spark plug , just like from Georgia engines converted. One ohm power resistor in line for use with
oscilloscope to monitor and adjust current flow.The way to do this is with smaller Briggs engine that has flywheel with ALUMINUM ring gear. The matching starter motor will have PLASTIC
16tooth small gear. Starter is mounted with 2 black nylon plastic 8MM bolts 12mmm long with 2 plastic nylon washers. This insulates starter from engine block fully, when Inverter is
activated. Slight distance change inbetween the 2 gears. Ground cable attaches to starter housing.
Method is had by changing old armature Magnetron to the most modern Magnetron with dual cables, modern universal built in trigger , not Briggs type, so that Magnetron is NOT an
autotransformer. (Separate secondary side) The ignition process is self contained without using BATTERY ground, as power is from one magnet on outside of flywheel.
Main power source is PURE SINE WAVE ONLY Inverter similar to Lvyuan 500W Blue box with MORE available SURGE currents, to get 7amp pulses through spark plug. The most common modified sine
wave type boxes do not give much higher surge current. Bridge rectifier and filter capacitor gives proper DC output.
What I'm talking about is the instants when the battery ground is normally at bottom of spark plug, and Inverter power jumps gap and connects with ground within the 0 to 34 degrees ignition
ON TIME, and repeated. This is also why a common boost converter or regular bench power supply can't be used. Inverter only with separate secondary side, they come in high frequency and
also 60 cycles.The 2008 2 videos had the dangerous negative high voltage on the car battery during the starting mode.
The S1R9A9M9 electromagnet allows high volts to go straight through without problem with the 12vDC line. I use 10KV white china cable to stop all shorts along with #16 gauge solid insulated
wire for the 12 + 23 turns, with adjustable pull core for magnetic field inside vinyl tube center. The series adjustable power resistor allows change in input 6A battery current for the
field adjustment. This will change the pulse on time of high voltage so as more contact time of Inverter current with the water solution.
Photo included today is gadget for testing firing of hydrogen by popping off end PCV cap as press fit. Baking soda/water solution put on plug terminals . The outer ground lug is cut off for
wide gap, and allowing blast to go straight out. Stainless steel marine spark plug is sealed in with epoxy at one end. Ignition white cable return line is screwed to plug base through
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i trully admire your persistance
Could it be that fumes from the engine are used in the proces?
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#88 · date not recorded
The fumes from the engines were used in Georgia, on all engines converted successfully. 4cl, 6cyl, 3 V8 engines. Only successful engines had EGR system mounted. The exhaust gas contains Nitrogen embedded water vapor which is recirculated to intake manifold, so as engines run more smoothly. The Briggs 18HP was not changed over.. My 12HP Briggs has been converted to adjustable EGR. An engine is an air pump that compresses air which is 78% Nitrogen gas. The Meyer cell on engine also used this technique. -
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and also oil fumes i suppose? -
#90 ·
I wanted you to know that I finally found out what that
frayed/stub wire was for, on that original S1R9A9M9
triple coils assembly. It bugged me for a long time.
The first notion was that of a tap to ground for a
transformer type thing. Not so. A small Inverter box
was hidden in cement block, just as plastic tub was
covered and painted over that contained parts- not
foreyes of the public.
From the paragraph in the old web forum from Georgia,
there was a reference called the 60 turns coil wire
test on car engine plug wire. The set up caused
reduction of current on meter when the ignition fired
through the cable. The outer 60T of 20A current reduced
down repeatedly to 12 amps. There was an induced
reactance ohms in the coil that caused less power to
load. This is what happened when S1r coil was first
tested on Briggs engine 2008, using Inverter box.The
tap was for power leading to Inverter primary side
input. About 11amps was needed for Inverter. When
ignition fired, the power was reduced going to
Inverter. The wire was then snipped off, no longer used
and input would then come direct from JOINT of Battery
+ then later alternator stator DC rectified full wave.
The 18HP Briggs had stator of red and blk wire type, so
as called DUAL alternators. Output was 4A DC charger
and 5 amp AC for headlights.When bridge rectifier is
added , the output becomes 15v DC at about 14.8 Amps
capability.Power divided to Sir coils and Inverter. 11A
and 4Amp so as close to 15A total capability. Nathren
said source power needed was about 15amps.
The S1r coils was an ELECTROMAGNET to form magnetic
field for ATDC timing change extension and necessary
field for tips of spark plug. Nathren had said when
engine fired, the magnetic dropped during firing.(way
less current because of increased ohms added to load
resistor.) The 7 turns wire upper section affects the
extended tap wire when it was used.
7 turn 90 degrees winging coil has no iron core. 13T
coil has iron core as S1R9A9M9 electromagnet. The joint
of 2 wires had a stub cut off visible with frayed wires
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I put together another handmade S1R9A9M9 electromagnet for use with Four amps current. My last other one was for 6 amps with different windings. The now current one is exactly like the original as per unusual winding method and like Megatran, with same original count of turns. Red white and blue just like our flag. It has variable inductance with pull core. Another one of my improvements. Nathren said a set up needed about 15 amps total. That would include the "smaller" Inverter input 11 Amps + 4 Amps electromagnet. Ohms law step up transformer voltage ratio 1:10 as same as increase of input side power current. This was assuming the dual alternators type was not changed on his 18HP Briggs. He told me directly that his engine DIDN"T HAVE AN ALTERNATOR! All riding lawnmower engines have an alternator. He said he bought it new just for the 2008 videos to make. I saw lots of grime, dirt/dust on it in close up photos from years of use. The dual alternators type with red + black wires with bridge rectifier added to both sides produces about 15 volts DC at about 15 amps max capability. PEAK current on bench oscilloscope set circuit as 7 amps, with proper resistance in series, with AVERAGE current over full cycle time as about 1.3amps at low duty cycle. See photo electromagnet.
Later today, I also mounted a new starter motor on project Briggs 12HP engine. It was electrically insulated from engine block with plastic bolts and plastic washers. The battery ground cable mounted onto starter only. Separate needed connections will go on 2 mounted brass bus strips for plus and minus of battery wires power as needed. The Inverter box secondary side firing to spark plug will never burn out as shorted to battery through spark plug ground, as per many other people's previous disasters. The flywheel has proper MATCHING aluminum ring gear, along with proper MATCHING PLASTIC starter motor small gear. Plastic gear during contact cannot make any electrical connection. Verified with ohmmeter. I'm always pushing forward.
I am also putting together P.W.M. so as can vary the output of Inverter final DC and KEEPING PEAK VOLTAGE THE SAME, while varying the current , wattage, and duty cycle on time. The 100 volts is necessary for the tiny electrodes of zero ohms spark plug. I didn't want to get into capacitor discharges , since they go in the realm of microseconds, not required milliseconds of spark plug.
Sometime I will rewrite my poor drawings schematic diagram and send copy, so as you can see my judgments for final circuit. It includes many diodes and 2 Dayton brand modified Inductors for 1.75millihenries. I also have for later tests, the 2 vacuum chambers hand made of magnets, spark gap, diodes and inductors. -
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18HP Briggs riding lawnmower Engine ran on water in carb, summer 2008 in Georgia.. See You tube videos 1 + 2. S1R9A9M9. Spark plug electrolysis. Battery supplied temporary current to conversion wires, then battery removed, The alternator under flywheel runs on 12 magnets. About 15 amps total divided up to about 4 amps electromagnet over plug wire, with about 11 amps to inverter box for 110v AC changed to full wave DC. 300W Box hidden in hole of cement block. The plastic tub on side of engine has small parts There was also an inductor about 2millihenry in series with plug. Spark plug Champion with resistor removed for zero ohms resistance. Peak current about 7 amp at about 15% duty cycle on time , which is about 1.2Amp average current on small meter. Flywheel with outer ignition magnet goes around 360 degrees. ATDC past zero for late timing allowed from electromagnet . His 1978 car V8 conversion got 18MPG. Don't allow battery ground and inverter ground to connect. Can insulate starter from casting with plastic bolts and washers. SMALL Hydrogen gas generated along with water vapor pressure to push piston. -
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My hand assembled Power Supply based on Inverter box mostly completed, and can be tested with wooded flywheel magnet / motor / and speed controller, and Briggs ignition Magnetron. The salt water cell is 118 oms resistance , so P.S. will be initially adjusted with substitute power resistor at first, to allow less salt in the later final engine testing. The S1R9A9M9 magnetic coils has it's own variable speed controller as well. (Both are P.W.M) The general idea is to momentary push button the on power to get reading of PEAK PULSE current going through cell. It should be in range of 6-10amps, mostly 7A. The Inverter provides the necessary 100volts, The reading is taken from 1 ohm 100w resistor in the RETURN line direct to PWM ground after ground of spark plug. E / R = I. The reading of 7v over 1ohm is 7amps in series circuit. The AVERAGE current would be about 1 Amp. (You can't push 7amps through 118ohms cell with 12v dc and tiny electrodes.) The shop tech people in Georgia working with non technical Nathren said that 100v and 6-7 amps were required to run engine on water. They , however did many car conversions of 4,6,8cyl engines , and all using 6-7amps.Nathren had the setting on 10 Peak amps for the Briggs mower engine. He used the magnetic field over plug cable to extend the on time of the inverter output, instead of a quick blip of spark. The Green Inverter in the background 2 videos of 2008 is not connected. The real one is hidden n the rear hole of cement block, about 300watts. The larger Green one "wouldn't fit" They were not showing "all" to the public at that time. The plastic tub was also painted over , so we did not see all the small parts inside it.The published diagram for the cars was not exactly true. They showed half wave rectification for only 35 volts , instead of needed full wave rectification of 110v Ac to DC.. The special "Magic relay" section per cylinder, was fine. It passed both 110vdc as well as the ignition high volts same time, .
My power supply has 8 fuses and four switches for better control. Each section has meter. There is minimum load resistor for the on mode of inverter, while the .3A fan blows heat upwards from diodes protection bank. The Inductors are same inductance value as originals , but with #18 gauge wire for lower overall ohms resistance. There are voltage drops per section. The sum adds up to the beginning voltage used. Series circuit requires lowered ohms , so as not adding much to the water solution ohms. I counted 17 series diodes at .7volts each voltage drop.Maybe I'M reading too much into this. The initial bench testing is with a smaller Briggs engine just used for the compression and visual of the down power stroke of piston.Others have successfully push piston with 500uf capacitor discharge at high voltage level. The S1R9A9M9 system used no capacitor. A plasma path could be implemented parallel to spark plug of about 3300PF capacitor at 30kv "Blue", Makes small ball of fire to conduct the regular current following from behind. Tell me what you think.attachment_17214 attachment_17218 attachment_17220 attachment_17222 attachment_17224 attachment_17226 attachment_17230 DSC01905.JPG DSC01906.JPG DSC01907.JPG DSC01908.JPG DSC01909.JPG DSC01910.JPG DSC01911.JPG
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Waste Spark Removal Briggs Mower Engine For Hydrogen Conversions
I completed building the circuit for eliminating waste spark. It's the plug in bread board type, not soldered. It's easier to make adjustments later. Two photos for you today. I have handful of different magnet Hall sensors to try out and see which one should be used on engine with NORTH pole. Some of them are industrial with cables. Three wire type as +Vcc , grnd, and signal out. Most Halls are used for South pole reception. You have to bend over the Hall for the rear side use, or reverse, and mount with bracket. I will use hand movable magnet north pole only for first tests. Then to switch over to my revolving wooden bench flywheel with magnet , Magnetron, and spark plug. First yellow Led is first state (Fire) , the red Led is 2nd state with relay switch on that shorts ignition to ground BEFORE magnet reaches T.D.C. Then next passing point is reset back to first state fire. The other guy on Youtube who built his soldered type circuit years ago has my same name Russell. His board is similar to mine - not copied. I designed it myself. Plastic board put in miniature vise with strong lamp and use needle nose pliers. With 9v battery use, I design small circuits with 2 ma type, .002A led's. Most Led's are 20ma .020A. The battery lasts longer, but those are expensive and are special order. You just change the resistors. Of course, 2 batteries can be put in parallel for more time. Yes, I'm still working on the S1R9A9M9 system. 'Questions?
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#95 ·
Nathren talks about use of the "magic relays" as associated with the 400Watt Inverter DC output to spark plugs. The car engines, - 4, 6, and 8cyl engines all use one dual coils relay per cylinder. Sealed Bakelite relay is under vacuum with many sets of internal contacts. It has to do with interference with timing of ground connections under use. I originally thought it had to do with generation of 100v back EMF to add to system. Now of course, it means the original circuit diagram was wrong, - needs full wave DC 110v not half wave DC of 35v DC.s1r document - relays.pdf
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#96 · date not recorded
New configuration of S1R wire coils assembly from 2008 turns out to really be electromagnet providing extension of timing for mower engine running on water to hydrogen from spark plug electrolysis. It also provides required magnetic field over plug wire , down to plug electrodes. Special wind of 3 wires as - #14 , 7t 90degrees over 5 turns Hi V cable, 13 turns #14 over steel core and Hi V cable. See photos on Internet. The original S1R9A9M9 (2 )You tube videos showed Inverter box in background, not hooked up. That green 400Watt box was the same one normally used with the several earlier car engine conversions. Statement said it could not be used with 4 cycle mower engine. The real reason of this, was that the SiZE of box could not be hidden in hole of cement block with engine shaft. (A smaller 300Watt unit was used.) This smaller box fits cement block hole. The other plastic deli tub of parts, hanging on side of engine, was also painted over so we could not see in. Therefore the 3 technicians did not want to reveal all their technology from 2005-2019. Part of DC current , supplies the primary side of inverter , while several amps dc runs the electromagnet. Battery start. Battery fully removed. The circuit then ran on the dual type alternators with max 15 amps output DC, after rectification. The high resistance of salt water at plug tips requires about 100 volts to get current to push through.The cars used 6-7 Peak amps at low duty cycle. Nathren used 10 amps PEAK DC as about 1 amp average current. See videos with Briggs 18HP riding lawnmower engine on cement block running on water flow to carb. Self running using Hydrogen gas + water vapor pressure. Low power of course but works. -
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I am currently collecting original tech statements for my new file folder on JUST readings from Nathren, non technician, and Son as technician also same name Nathren. Father signed in on forum as S1R or S1R9A9M9. The son signed in as Nathren. You can tell the difference in the writing quality. Not using statements from other technicians. Data has to be from the horse's mouth. Mr Ed could do better. Two views on this was (1) Hydrogen generator at spark plug from using Briggs dual alternators power after 18HP Briggs engine up to Idle speed. 10 amps flow current direct from alternators output.
(2) Special circuit applied as RESONANCE between the water capacitor at plug gap + L coil Inductor in series as being equal and adjusted, to the input AC alternators frequency at idle speed RPM. The Magnetron as negative high volts out goes through the S1R coils assembly and fires an accessory spark gap and connected to ground through the outer extension cord with end plug breached. There is over 100volts formed on low voltage side of S1R coils by leakage inductance intentionally made. You already know that. The 100v and alternator AC is applied to the "cell" spark plug gap of salt water capacitor.
The Briggs plastic ring alternators have the opposite end of magnet wire grounded on bottom side of ring to the engine casting top. The bottom of spark plug is grounded the same to casting. I was guessing both ends of output wires put together to get 10amps from 5 +5 amps. One line going to plug, and casting travel for the return to opposite end of ring 2 wires. The brown extension cord becomes the usable ground for any other spark gap in the deli plastic tub hanging on side of 18HP.
The original 2008 Youtube video from "the Smack", - man that looked over the wild claims, said that Nathren mentioned resonance phenomena using coil + spark gap resonance. The idea was that the resonance allowed for fast expansion of polarized NEGATIVE water vapor as over charged with electrons. The molecules repel each other. Process happens at lower piston travel under change of compression, at late timing ATDC. So......... The AC power flow is through low voltage side only , through the inductor adjustable, and to the salt water capacitor spark plug. The extreme high volts not needed. My old file on this method I had labeled "Induction type power supply" Diodes cannot be used as stopping any resonance.
My current problem is figuring out how engine was originally started / fueled in 2008, to get to IDLE speed since there is extremely low volts and current from alternators at time of engine cranking, at lowered RPM of flywheel and 12 magnets. The temporary Battery DC, before being disconnected in 2008, has power and needs DPDT relay ac vibrator buzzer with frequency adjustable by capacitor used, to make AC for starting purpose. The on/off dual sets contacts pass the changing direction current. A low frequency transistors INVERTER would work also at 13-14v AC. The transformer 12 to 14 volts AC may need to be hand wound. The Inductor would be sliding adjustable inductance bolt inside plastic tube as wrapped with magnet wire.
I did an outside test of old push mower engine using PVC T fitting and hose connected to carb. Center stuffed with metal screen and filled with CARBIDE STONES. Poured water on stones. The engine started fine and sounded just like gasoline engine. The acetylene gas formed pulled into combustion chamber by manifold vacuum. I wonder!............. Tell me that you read my message. -
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Proof That Nathren's Briggs Engine Had Dual Alternators!!!
You Tube Smack investigates claims of S1R9A9M9 time 6:03
Briggs 18HP has alternator cable hangs down behind starter motor and oiling tube. See cable against metal casting, see white 2 piece wire connector, and 2 wires there.
Long time back I directly asked Nathren about engine serial number to get capabilities such as alternator. He flatly denied that it had alternator under flywheel. He even said there were no magnets under flywheel. He started protecting his + shop technicians invention.attachment_17237 DSC01943.JPG
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#99 ·
amazing that you keep finding new stuff .
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My current two cents:
If the videos are real and that little motor was sucking water into the carburator and if it is true that no other substances have been in that waterbottle, like alcohol, then the only thing left is an electrical system that prepers the waterdrops, like by partially ionizing orso, and then apply a powerfull spark to that drop of water in a specific speed on which the water has time to react and explodes.
All those strange coils can mean anything, or are decoy.